War More than 1,000 people, including Hezbollah members, wounded in Lebanon when pagers explode - Israel blows the balls off Hezbollah members

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BEIRUT, Sept 17 (Reuters) - More than 1,000 people, including Hezbollah fighters and medics, were wounded on Tuesday when the pagers they use to communicate exploded across Lebanon, security sources told Reuters.
A Hezbollah official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the detonation of the pagers was the "biggest security breach" the group had been subjected to in nearly a year of war with Israel.
Israel and the Iran-backed Hezbollah have been engaged in cross-border warfare since the Gaza war erupted last October, the worst such escalation in years.

The Israeli military declined to comment on Reuters enquiries about the detonations.
Iran's Mehr news agency said the Iranian ambassador to Lebanon, Mojtaba Amani, was injured by one of the blasts. Reuters could not immediately confirm the report.
A Reuters journalist saw ambulances rushing through the southern suburbs of the capital Beirut, a Hezbollah stronghold, amid widespread panic. A security source said that devices were also exploding in the south of Lebanon.

At Mt. Lebanon hospital, a Reuters reporter saw motorcycles rushing to the emergency room, where people with their hands bloodied were screaming in pain.
The head of the Nabatieh public hospital in the south of the country, Hassan Wazni, told Reuters that around 40 wounded people were being treated at his facility. The wounds included injuries to the face, eyes and limbs.
The wave of explosions lasted around an hour after the initial detonations, which took place about 3:45 p.m. local time (1345 GMT). It was not immediately clear how the devices were detonated.

Lebanese internal security forces said a number of wireless communication devices were detonated across Lebanon, especially in Beirut's southern suburbs, leading to injuries.
Groups of people huddled at the entrance of buildings to check on people they knew who may have been wounded, the Reuters journalist said.
Regional broadcasters carrying CCTV footage which showed what appeared to be a small handheld device placed next to a grocery store cashier where an individual was paying spontaneously exploding. In other footage, an explosion appeared to knock out someone standing at a fruit stand at a market area.

Lebanon’s crisis operations center, which is run by the health ministry, asked all medical workers to head to their respective hospitals to help cope with the massive numbers of wounded coming into for urgent care. It said health care workers should not use pagers.
The Lebanese Red Cross said more than 50 ambulances and 300 emergency medical staff were dispatched to assist in the evacuation of victims.

Hezbollah fired missiles at Israel immediately after the Oct. 7 attacks by Hamas gunmen on Israel. Hezbollah and Israel have been exchanging fire constantly ever since, while avoiding a major escalation as war rages in Gaza to the south.
Tens of thousands of people have been displaced from towns and villages on both sides of the border by the hostilities.


From OSINT

What we know so far:
- Explosion happened simultanously
- Explosions didn't only happen in Lebanon, but in Syria too so it's a long range to be wireless detonation signal.
- The pager is 'Rugged Pager AR924' produced by a Taiwanese company
- Small Li-Ion battery, can't explode that big
- None of the pagers caught fire, which is common incase of a battery 'explosion' rather they just exploded.
- However the pagers did heat up before
- All exploded pagers were the same model of pager.
- The pagers came from one shipment

Also pretty shitty headline considering this was an attack that could only hit Hezbollah members

Video of the attacks
 
Israel is launching shaping attacks in preparation for a ground invasion of Lebanon. Should the Lebanon war thread be a standalone thread, part of the existing Israel Palestine thread, or just this thread?
Make it a part of the Israel-Palestine thread, at least for now. It's already getting updated with Lebanon war info anyway, so might as well just keep things simple.
 
Are they invading Lebanon as part of a greater Palestine war strategy?
Hezbollah's stated reason for engaging in conflict with Israel these past eleven months has been "the unity of the fronts"; Nasrallah has consistently said that Hezbollah will not back down until the war in Gaza ends. So yes, at least according to Hezbollah, it's part of the larger conflict for Palestine. (From the Israeli perspective, this was inevitable after 10/7 whether or not Hezbollah chose to intervene; we can't allow terrorist groups to build up forces on our borders the way we have for the past two decades.)
 
Hezbollah's stated reason for engaging in conflict with Israel these past eleven months has been "the unity of the fronts"; Nasrallah has consistently said that Hezbollah will not back down until the war in Gaza ends. So yes, at least according to Hezbollah, it's part of the larger conflict for Palestine. (From the Israeli perspective, this was inevitable after 10/7 whether or not Hezbollah chose to intervene; we can't allow terrorist groups to build up forces on our borders the way we have for the past two decades.)
If it's part of the Greater Israeli-Palestinian war, then it should go to that thread. If Israel claims reasons independent of that war, then it should be its own thread. Either way, it should not go here.
 
You know the saddest thing is this will resolve nothing. Whatever the Israeli goals are they don’t have the means to pacify the enemy through conflict or diplomacy. The Muslims are too fractured and brain dead to organize a real response. Even if either tried to negotiate a peace there would never be guarantees that peace would last and it would be incredibly fragile as there are too many invested in strife and disharmony. It’s like a pothole that keeps causing car crashes and no one can agree how to remove the cars so they just keep piling up into a bigger conflagration meanwhile everyone is using TikTok to record it for the views and social media engagement. Hopefully the videos will be kino at least.
 
Make it a part of the Israel-Palestine thread, at least for now. It's already getting updated with Lebanon war info anyway, so might as well just keep things simple.
I would suggest renaming the happening thread to the War of October 7 or something along those lines. Israel and Hezbollah have been fighting each other since the Gaza stuff kicked off, it's just been more low key up until this point.
 
Should the Lebanon war thread be a standalone thread, part of the existing Israel Palestine thread, or just this thread?

Are they invading Lebanon as part of a greater Palestine war strategy?
The Pallies, and Hez, are subordinate to their funder/supplier Iran, so the whole thing from October 7th is preparation for a war on Iran.
 
I’m curious about the shell company. Is the woman running it even real? I posted a while back what i found on her (she has an IMDb page, and an interest in spirits…)
How does this kind of thing work? Like is she a full on glowie setting up a fake consultancy that gets used multiple times as a front for intel ops? Or was she a dupe used to just move the stuff? If so, her life is in danger big time.
 
Half the fun of MATI is Josh mispronouncing things or getting something a bit wrong.
It's like that saying that you never know how wrong newspapers are until they report on you. Or, in this case, a thread you like/know. I remember the first time I heard Josh royally fuck up facts about a thread I'm very familiar with. Still an entertaining show but I wouldn't use quotes in an argument or anything.
 
I’m curious about the shell company. Is the woman running it even real? I posted a while back what i found on her (she has an IMDb page, and an interest in spirits…)
How does this kind of thing work? Like is she a full on glowie setting up a fake consultancy that gets used multiple times as a front for intel ops? Or was she a dupe used to just move the stuff? If so, her life is in danger big time.
Intel agencies have whole departments dedicated to just creating identities with a plausible-looking web footprint. Identities can sit around for years until they get used, if they even get used. Chances are the identity is fake and the photo is of some random person, if not digitally generated.
 
It's like that saying that you never know how wrong newspapers are until they report on you. Or, in this case, a thread you like/know. I remember the first time I heard Josh royally fuck up facts about a thread I'm very familiar with. Still an entertaining show but I wouldn't use quotes in an argument or anything.
I think this is part of the point, Null isn't being a newscaster and isn't concerned about accuracy. MATI is about laughing at retards and their retarded antics, and if Null thinks it's funny he'll discuss it. If he reads a single comment on the thread and thinks its funny, he's not going to check back in 30 minutes and read through 10 pages just to see if the story has changed. He's going to laugh at retards.

In this case, terrorist retards got their genitals, hands, and faces blown up, which is funny. Exactly how those explosives did the funny is less important than laughing at the funny in the context of MATI.
 
Apparently the Hungarian shell company with 1 employee did in fact make a profit. At least if we believe the following:
That’s a lot of money
Intel agencies have whole departments dedicated to just creating identities with a plausible-looking web footprint. Identities can sit around for years until they get used, if they even get used. Chances are the identity is fake and the photo is of some random person, if not digitally generated.
Well that’s the thing. It doesn’t look like a generated identity. She seems to be real.
She’s apparently in hiding, but has a real world presence, neighbours etc. She seems to be a flaky woman who has gotten a real PhD and then kind of bounced around doing odd stuff. Is this someone who was recruited right out of the PhD or just after and asked to set up a shell and wait? Or have they somehow used an existing slightly con-type ‘consultancy’ as a shell?
How does one become a mossad agent, I wonder? The old intelligence ‘tap on the shoulder’ is generally done only in specific universities and specific types of people
Then there’s this guy:
Worked at an immigration law place, gosh those Mossad lads really do get around don’t they?
We would be better off tweeting every single NGO on the planet into the sun, imo.
 
Haaretz: 'Netanyahu's plan of 'de-escalation through escalation' did not work'
Embodies the modern retard mindset

b-but I saw all the war movies of the 90s and the capeshit of the 00s and 10s, everything is over in 2-3 hours then! I've been living a life of instant gratification for decades and it's been a whole day/week/month, the plan didn't work! wtf!
 
Well that’s the thing. It doesn’t look like a generated identity. She seems to be real.
She’s apparently in hiding, but has a real world presence, neighbours etc. She seems to be a flaky woman who has gotten a real PhD and then kind of bounced around doing odd stuff. Is this someone who was recruited right out of the PhD or just after and asked to set up a shell and wait? Or have they somehow used an existing slightly con-type ‘consultancy’ as a shell?
Possibly she did something less than legal and in lieu of jail time she ended up becoming an asset for intel services. Many such cases.
 
I'm also concerned about the mechanism of the explosions. The explanation is that explosive material was built into the devices. What if (and I accept your inevitable negative ratings) there was no explosive material, only the lithium battery, detonated remotely? Does that mean that all lithium batteries are at risk?

I've been legit thinking about this, either Hamas never opened or accidentally broken a single one of these devices in the last few months with the numbers they have you'd expect at least one accident, or something very fucky is going on, I saw a few photos of recovered parts of these things and I am seeing very little of certain components notably the screen and front case for the pages and the battery case area from the bits I am seeing have very less than you'd think.

Either some portion of the battery was swapped or changed out, or some other major component was or they have found some way of disguising explosives in a really unique way, maybe some form of accelerator on the batteries like coating a lipo battery that makes an induced failure even more energetic etc.
 
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