Sony hate thread

[Baraka Obama]

That’s the thing, PCs are in the unique position where they don’t need a brand identity. Companies tried to make “console” PCs in the past (like Valve teaming up with Alienware to make the first Steam Machines), and it never worked since PC gaming just wasn’t streamlined at all. But now, Steam OS has already been established to provide a strong user experience, and is itself the brand. Think about non-console devices; the software/OS is the number one point of contingency for customers, not the maker of the hardware.

Desktop PCs are Windows (the general purpose OS that’s on a ton of devices) vs. Mac OS (the specialized OS that’s exclusive to one device) vs. Linux (the obscure third choice that only enthusiasts care about).

Phones are Android (the general purpose OS that’s on a ton of devices) vs. iOS (the specialized OS that’s exclusive to one device) vs. ”other” (the obscure third choice that only enthusiasts care about).

In this hypothetical scenario, the new era of consoles would be Steam OS (the general purpose OS that’s on a ton of devices) vs. Nintendo (the specialized OS that’s exclusive to one device) vs. ”other” (the obscure third choice that only enthusiasts care about). Microsoft would either go under the third category or be a competitor in the first category depending on whether they tried to make some gaming-centric version of Windows after the Xbox console’s retirement.

But I want to use that word very deliberately: era. The idea of a consolized PC isn’t new, but we’re finally at the point where, given the right conditions, it can make a serious impact in the gaming landscape.

While there are other points I could pick at, consider that Steam OS is really not a general OS to run on a ton of devices. It's more like Mac OS X(86) of a few years ago where it's designed really only for the Steam Deck hardware at this point, but because the Steam Deck is an X86 computer under the hood it just happens to run on X86 computers -- with compromises, for tinkerers.

The most direct parallel would be Windows and previously DOS serving as a general purpose video game OS since before I was born.

What's interesting is how Steam OS might eat Apple's lunch in some ways -- Macintosh had long been an alternative OS for running games, only recently (relatively speaking) did it become an absolute joke for that.

And despite Microsoft's dominance in gaming on a theoretical level, in practice it has almost always (or just always?) been bested by Nintendo or Sega or Sony putting out a special box with special games only for that box.

Why is that? In spite of PCs being better on the top end, the systems most people buy are just not that good at running games. In the old days it was the beige box special, then "you're getting a dell," then whatever basic laptop went for $500. That could change as mid range AMD APUs are actually really good now, but the whole market has shifted away from using computers at all -- many people do not have even laptops anymore.

So I think there's still a big market in the custom special box, especially when the price is reasonable.

 

[Incecticyder]

But I want to use that word very deliberately: era. The idea of a consolized PC isn’t new, but we’re finally at the point where, given the right conditions, it can make a serious impact in the gaming landscape.

I see what you mean. However, I am of the opinion that only time will tell. Will those "consoles" be registered as such? Stadia told us that it was the start of a new era and look where that went.

 

[Two Dollars]

I see what you mean. However, I am of the opinion that only time will tell.

Oh yeah, there’s still progress to be made. I just feel like these kinds of PCs are at the point where them being a serious competitor is finally a realistic possibility.

Will those "consoles" be registered as such? Stadia told us that it was the start of a new era and look where that went.

Wasn’t Stadia streaming only, though? That would be the same market as something like Xbox Cloud Gaming or Nvidia Now.

While there are other points I could pick at, consider that Steam OS is really not a general OS to run on a ton of devices. It's more like Mac OS X(86) of a few years ago where it's designed really only for the Steam Deck hardware at this point, but because the Steam Deck is an X86 computer under the hood it just happens to run on X86 computers -- with compromises, for tinkerers.

True, I keep forgetting that Steam Deck is the only device that officially supports it while modders have just also gotten it running on other systems. So it’s a question of whether they’ll expand it to run on most everything.

 

[Incecticyder]

Oh yeah, there’s still progress to be made. I just feel like these kinds of PCs are at the point where them being a serious competitor is finally a realistic possibility.

Maybe there is but the market must understand it as such. Look at the Switch. There was a significant chance it would flop for whatever reason. Too high price for a handheld, too weak, weird concept, too sour on Nintendo, anything. But it did not.

I think the willingness to fight with some desperation is helpful to surviving and thriving in the console industry. Sony and Microsoft have gaming as a sidegig while Nintendo does it as its dayjob. Nintendo always has games and consoles as the first and foremost aspect of its business. Sony has SIE as a big part of its success but not their only avenue for money. They can stop anytime. Microsoft is the same. When Nintendo had the Gamecube and the WiiU, they said: "We will fix this". Do you think Sony and Microsoft or any other company seeking the console market say the same thing should things do not work out?

 

[DocAwe]

I had a thought that the #1 hurdle that the PC faces is it's a "work machine".
Lots of folks sit at a computer all day and don't want to come home and mess with that.
They just want a box that plugs in, turns on, and works.
Consoles still do that for the most part.
Now, most of the people posting in this thread know that it doesn't have to be that way and have the power of autism to make it so.
Your average normie doesn't and the first whiff of something not working makes them want to dump it.
When the PC finally hits the literal plug and play status will be the final end of the console.
Except for WTF ever Nintendo is doing.

 

[Spaced Outside Cargo]

The biggest hurdle I hear about switching over to PC gaming is that playing games on the TV with it is hard.
This is hilarious because for the last 3 years I've been using SteamLink to do it pretty much flawlessly, the OS is hosted free online for Raspberry Pi's and it comes default on the AppleTV 4K, which is frequently on sale for $99 at Walmart.
Your average console gamer would gladly switch over so long as:

• The game runs on their TV.
• The game uses controllers.
• It all works right out the box with no possible area of confusion.

The Steam Deck incentivises new PC releases to include full controller compatibility and it would seem to be child's play to have the SteamLink auto-detect Steam clients on the network.
Everyone's internet is 100x better than it was ten years ago unless you live in the third world (NYC, or any other big city) so it ran pretty well, even on WiFi, anywhere I've lived.
I'm holding out hope that Valve is just waiting for consoles to get even worse before re-releasing the SteamLink hardware. Hopefully they actually advertise it this time so people know it even exists.
Yeah a SteamOS "console" would be cool but I think being able to have a working computer in your house that you can also play games on from any other room in the house would be much more novel to consumers. Imagine the sales if you run an ad of some guy playing 2K or whatever on the couch and then walking to his bedroom and continuing the game there.

 

[Gamepads]

I had a thought that the #1 hurdle that the PC faces is it's a "work machine".
Lots of folks sit at a computer all day and don't want to come home and mess with that.
They just want a box that plugs in, turns on, and works.
Consoles still do that for the most part.

It still is. When I started making fun of the Pro in a server, a Sony sperg started coping with the same old talking points for PC. Just like how we haven't moved on from 30fps, they haven't moved on from their perception of PCs.

 

[Spaced Outside Cargo]

I had a thought that the #1 hurdle that the PC faces is it's a "work machine".
Lots of folks sit at a computer all day and don't want to come home and mess with that.

It's funny how a console is just a computer that does less "computer stuff" and is therefore "some other shit" to consumers.
So if you make the computer do more "computer stuff" the consumer base will stop buying, but if you don't make it do more "computer stuff" everyone will make fun of you for releasing the same shit every year.

The solution is to fool your customers into thinking they aren't using a computer via:

• fancy case (not a vertical box)
• controller
• taskbar replaced with big menu

 

[Baraka Obama]

The biggest hurdle I hear about switching over to PC gaming is that playing games on the TV with it is hard.
This is hilarious because for the last 3 years I've been using SteamLink to do it pretty much flawlessly, the OS is hosted free online for Raspberry Pi's and it comes default on the AppleTV 4K, which is frequently on sale for $99 at Walmart.
Your average console gamer would gladly switch over so long as:

• The game runs on their TV.
• The game uses controllers.
• It all works right out the box with no possible area of confusion.

The Steam Deck incentivises new PC releases to include full controller compatibility and it would seem to be child's play to have the SteamLink auto-detect Steam clients on the network.
Everyone's internet is 100x better than it was ten years ago unless you live in the third world (NYC, or any other big city) so it ran pretty well, even on WiFi, anywhere I've lived.
I'm holding out hope that Valve is just waiting for consoles to get even worse before re-releasing the SteamLink hardware. Hopefully they actually advertise it this time so people know it even exists.
Yeah a SteamOS "console" would be cool but I think being able to have a working computer in your house that you can also play games on from any other room in the house would be much more novel to consumers. Imagine the sales if you run an ad of some guy playing 2K or whatever on the couch and then walking to his bedroom and continuing the game there.

In an ideal circumstance a game console functions like a DVD player; turn it on and pop the thing in and you're done.

That's the sales pitch for game consoles -- a simple experience, something "turnkey."

The digital future has ruined that in many ways but buy a box and install steam link and have another computer powerful enough to run games that you also installed steam on and have running is much further away from the ideal than many are willing to deal with. It's extra complication.

 

[The Last Stand]

• It all works right out the box with no possible area of confusion.

I'd think the barrier of entry with PC gaming from consoles is getting narrower and narrower thanks to the Steam Deck and overall long term experience with a gaming PC. They would have to be their own technician and know how to not be victims of malware/sabotage/preventable damage. PC gamers talk all this joy about emulation, mods, configuration. Where and what would be proper resources to aid a new PC user?

 

[Spaced Outside Cargo]

buy a box and install steam link and have another computer powerful enough to run games that you also installed steam on and have running is much further away from the ideal than many are willing to deal with. It's extra complication.

Valve used to sell Steam Link hardware, but because consoles were still pretty tolerable at the time they halted production to just focus on the software.
My point is if they sold a SteamLink box with a SteamOS "console" (controller only, doesnt look like a PC) that pairs to it extremely easily (think AirPods easy), you could effectively trojan horse a PC into a lot of console player households, much like how the Steam Deck is trojan horsing Linux to many users.

 

[Clarence Big Boss]

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Oh boy, can't wait to see remasters of years-old games and......
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no that'll be it really.

The lineup has already been leaked.

If Bloodborne Kart doesnt make you wanna buy a PS5 Pro. Then Idk what will. I can't wait to play it at a max resolution of 1440p with ray tracing at 13 fps.

 

[Spaced Outside Cargo]

I'd think the barrier of entry with PC gaming from consoles is getting narrower and narrower thanks to the Steam Deck and overall long term experience with a gaming PC. They would have to be their own technician and know how to not be victims of malware/sabotage/preventable damage. PC gamers talk all this joy about emulation, mods, configuration. Where and what would be proper resources to aid a new PC user?

Realistically the only things preventing the PS5 (and other consoles) from being considered as an attack vector ARE its shortcomings. They don't do much, so what data is there to get? They already get all your payment and account data straight from the source (Sony PSN servers).
Anything that connects to the internet could get compromised. Your smart fridge could be compromised.
We can't keep pretending that consoles are some "magic box" that can't get malware just because they arent useful to bad actors yet. What if the PS6 is? Then the users will have the same issues as PC, but they'll be too retarded to fix it or protect themselves and Linus Tech Tips (or whoever) wont have a video out on it until a week later.

 

[Baraka Obama]

Valve used to sell Steam Link hardware, but because consoles were still pretty tolerable at the time they halted production to just focus on the software.
My point is if they sold a SteamLink box with a SteamOS "console" (controller only, doesnt look like a PC) that pairs to it extremely easily (think AirPods easy), you could effectively trojan horse a PC into a lot of console player households, much like how the Steam Deck is trojan horsing Linux to many users.

They tried Steam Machines and it went really poorly.

IDK personally I believe handhelds are much more compelling hardware anyway even back to preferring 3DS over home consoles and PC despite having a good PC setup at the time, so my views are colored. But I believe Steam Deck is succeeding for there being more or less only the Switch as competition in the handheld / hybrid space at the moment.

 

[Hightension]

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Oh boy, a Horizon remake, do I want to play one of the most astroturfed franchises ever, do I?
How can you make hunting robot dinosaurs lame?
It’s a Sony game, that’s how.
I will laugh my ass off if they actually remake this lame-o‘ game.

 

[EscapeVorkuta]

It isn't 1996 anymore, the gulf between consoles and PCs in terms of convenience has been bridged. What these Soyny fags fail to realize is that a PC can function as an all-in-one gaming station that offers not only comprehensive backward compatibility but the best way to play the newest and greatest games. The trouble is, when Soyny exclusives are released on PC they are exposed as mediocre interactive goyslop movies. Watching Soyny faggots get butthurt about God of War: Freyarock having a pathetic player count on Steam has been thoroughly satisfying. Nobody wants to see Kratos take a backseat to an insufferable whore that should have been decapitated in the last game, nor do they want to watch niggers sassily prattle around in Norse mythology.

 

[DavidS877]

Unfilled niches will always be eventually filled.

If Sony was smart they'd make an unholy alliance with Microsoft to make the PSBox. One unified console to rule them all. Heck, add in Steam and you can then run everything. Of course then you have to figure out how to make the console sell for a profit and not $175 games.

 

[Freelance Police]

One of the social media managers fucked up and posted the State of Play a day early. They took it back down but not before I could archive it.

Spoiler: State of Play

It's not looking so good bros.

 

[Joe Dough 68]

The lineup has already been leaked.
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If Bloodborne Kart doesnt make you wanna buy a PS5 Pro. Then Idk what will. I can't wait to play it at a max resolution of 1440p with ray tracing at 13 fps.

Had me until I saw the Hollow Knight subtitle, not gonna lie. Also Troonborne Kart was renamed to something else, can't remember what though (not touching that shit).

 

[xXx: State of the Union]

Half you nigs would unironically buy TLOU2 reimagined I bet