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[Stupid Sexy Flanders]

So imo this is cope, he couldn’t face going and is just pulling a “poor me” for his audience.

I think it's also the fact that this is likely the last Medicaid procedure he can get, so after the FFS he's officially "done". There's nothing more that he can do in regards of his transition (barring paying for more surgeries himself, and that ain't gonna happen), so now he can presumably go on with his life as "Kathryn", super hot bimbo slut.
Except Kevin knows deep down that it's a lie and is feeling like reality is closing in. So he'll try to postpone this FFS for as long as he can get away with it. If he doesn't have the surgery he can still live in fantasy land where getting FFS will finally give him the ultimate gender euphoria, he'll coom so hard and every nerve will finally wake up and...

 

[Law]

Are there any more famous Troons who had FFS like ten years ago and what do they look like now?

Caitlyn Jenner spent 4 million on plastic surgery 9 years ago and looks lumpy and angry.
Laura Jane Grace had FFS (wow so punk, so very not bourgeois, much against the system) 5 years ago and he honestly looks like he's detransistioning. Like he's not even bothering with long hair anymore. He looks like a third Gallagher brother.
I don't know when Kim Petras had FFS but it was probably more than 10 years ago. He looks bloated and whoever's styling him with slimy, sorry "dewy" skin and long bleached hair is making him look pretty cadaverous.
Andrej Peijic looks like a prettier, manlier, and more symmetrical version of Hunter Schaefer, who looks like a man.
Lana Wachowski looks, surprisingly, the same as he has for quite awhile, just a little saggier and with orange dreadlocks instead of pink.

 

[Oxyjen]

I think it's also the fact that this is likely the last Medicaid procedure he can get, so after the FFS he's officially "done".

This makes sense. It’s got to be either that or he’s just afraid of the surgery. First he’d have to negotiate and agree what he wants doing - he was notoriously weird about that with the boob pack and has seethed about it since. So that might be a barrier.
There is also a chance he’s afraid it’ll turn out hideous and everyone will laugh at him. All his other SRS horrors are hidden and he just looks like a generic fat old queer, once his face is messed with that’s different.

 

[FinnSven]

Caitlyn Jenner spent 4 million on plastic surgery 9 years ago and looks lumpy and angry.
Laura Jane Grace had FFS (wow so punk, so very not bourgeois, much against the system) 5 years ago and he honestly looks like he's detransistioning. Like he's not even bothering with long hair anymore. He looks like a third Gallagher brother.
I don't know when Kim Petras had FFS but it was probably more than 10 years ago. He looks bloated and whoever's styling him with slimy, sorry "dewy" skin and long bleached hair is making him look pretty cadaverous.
Andrej Peijic looks like a prettier, manlier, and more symmetrical version of Hunter Schaefer, who looks like a man.
Lana Wachowski looks, surprisingly, the same as he has for quite awhile, just a little saggier and with orange dreadlocks instead of pink.

Thanks and makes sense.

The procedure of shaving bone away, surely the body accounts for that in some way.

While Pete Burns wasn’t an actual troon, but an insane and insanely dedicated transvestite, he wound up looking quite awful in his last few years.
Not sure if he had actual FFS, but he did talk at length about having material from Thai foreskins injected into his lips.

 

[kyonara]

Spoiler: half-surgery, half-semantics sperg

Spoilered because I'm an autist, but anytime these trans surgeries mention "shaving down bone" I am forced to wince. You see, the term "shaving down" has such a light, fuzzy, non-permanent connotation, to everyone except people who have actually had their bones "shaved."

I had maybe an inch or so of rib stripped several months ago to be used for (necessary, non-cosmetic) reconstructive surgery, and that kind of deep, internal "oh shit, what's wrong with me?" pain is surreal. I think about my stripped bone every time I breathe in a little too hard or press down on a Tupperware lid. From what I understand, ribs are a common donor site because they're numerous and strong, but even a minor injury that deep in your torso has a butterfly effect on nearly everything you do. Will it grow back? Maybe eventually, but it will be slow, because it was stripped. I continue to emphasize "stripped" and not "shaved" because I am tired of words not fucking meaning anything anymore.

I guess to me it fits right in with that theory about "gender euphoria" just being kids high on Percocet or Tramadol for the first time ever, except these are people who have sometimes already had SRS. I continue to be flabbergasted in new and surprising ways every day. How are they excited about any kind of surgery at all if they've ever had one before? Is it because they speak in these cutesy ways to each other to gaslight themselves about how it won't be that bad, just a little shave? Small amount of your mortal soul, right off the top?

I'll take my top hats and puzzle pieces now.

 

[FinnSven]

Spoiler: half-surgery, half-semantics sperg

Spoilered because I'm an autist, but anytime these trans surgeries mention "shaving down bone" I am forced to wince. You see, the term "shaving down" has such a light, fuzzy, non-permanent connotation, to everyone except people who have actually had their bones "shaved."

I had maybe an inch or so of rib stripped several months ago to be used for (necessary, non-cosmetic) reconstructive surgery, and that kind of deep, internal "oh shit, what's wrong with me?" pain is surreal. I think about my stripped bone every time I breathe in a little too hard or press down on a Tupperware lid. From what I understand, ribs are a common donor site because they're numerous and strong, but even a minor injury that deep in your torso has a butterfly effect on nearly everything you do. Will it grow back? Maybe eventually, but it will be slow, because it was stripped. I continue to emphasize "stripped" and not "shaved" because I am tired of words not fucking meaning anything anymore.

I guess to me it fits right in with that theory about "gender euphoria" just being kids high on Percocet or Tramadol for the first time ever, except these are people who have sometimes already had SRS. I continue to be flabbergasted in new and surprising ways every day. How are they excited about any kind of surgery at all if they've ever had one before? Is it because they speak in these cutesy ways to each other to gaslight themselves about how it won't be that bad, just a little shave? Small amount of your mortal soul, right off the top?

I'll take my top hats and puzzle pieces now.

No problem!

I wasn’t aware that the term was inaccurate in this context so I apologize!

You are not being autistic, because I do understand precisely what you mean, you don’t want an incorrect term to keep on spreading.

For instance, I am a knife guy and an ex welder.

Shaving down is fine when one uses their blade to whittle or reduce wood, but if one were to describe smoothing or cleaning up edge with a grinder “shaving”, unless they were trying to be funny, that certainly wouldn’t sit right.

And also, are you pointing out that Kev may be in considerable pain after FFS?

 

[KiwiFuzz2]

He could invest in a decent wig and a set of adult woman makeup.

Something with a fringe/bangs would do more for that manly brow than surgery would. Add in a little strategic brow plucking, a beige brow pencil, and some pale eyeshadow.

But this would involve personal effort and an honest attempt at self critique, and that's hard.

Better to sit in your own ball sweat and flirt with other nasty men on Twatter.

 

[Oxyjen]

For instance, I am a knife guy and an ex welder.

Has any kiwi appeared on Forged in Fire, and did it cut?

 

[Law]

The procedure of shaving bone away, surely the body accounts for that in some way.

Laura Jane Grace's surgery team used a metal mesh to reinforce his forehead after they stripped off his man-brow. So he went from looking like a giant, dorky man to looking like a giant, dorky man who can set off metal detectors. Great success. What a transformation.

While Pete Burns wasn’t an actual troon, but an insane and insanely dedicated transvestite, he wound up looking quite awful in his last few years.

I always liked Pete Burns. I love 80s music and I thought he was funny and outspoken (all be it in a very rude way). I also liked that although he basically did all the costuming and plastic surgery that transwomen do, he never referred to himself as female.
He had pretty bad body dysmorphia from appearing on TV and in videos all the time and not really dealing with it in a healthy way. He'd probably still be alive if he hadn't survived a very bad infection from lip injections that permanently weakened his heart.
Edit: I know the grammar on that last sentence is all fucked up but I'm keeping it cause it's funny

You see, the term "shaving down" has such a light, fuzzy, non-permanent connotation, to everyone except people who have actually had their bones "shaved."

As someone who's had to deal with ill and disabled family members it's insane to me that the trans choose illness over health in the pursuit of aesthetics. You only have one body forever, cutting it up and maiming it permanently so you can look like whatever the Internet told you is a hot girl that week is the height of irrationality. You have to be naive, dumb or evil to do this.

And also, are you pointing out that Kev may be in considerable pain after FFS?

The first week of fucking Invisalign had me in tears and it's the gentlest, easiest, most non-invasive thing out there. There's something uniquely painful about moving face bones around, and uniquely distressing about pains and sensations you can't escape cause they're welded to your face. I get why TMJ can be so disabling now and why kids hate braces. I can't even imagine the pain of having your skull dremmeled down to lace and then covered with screwed-on metal mesh, or the feeling of talking and swallowing with a stripped trachea. Transwomen are indeed suffering.

He could invest in a decent wig and a set of adult woman makeup.

*adjusts tin foil hat* Do you think that trans is all about buying surgeries and not buying from the local hair-store because surgery tends to put money in men's pockets and the local hair-store is more likely to be a female-run small business?

 

[KiwiFuzz2]

*adjusts tin foil hat* Do you think that trans is all about buying surgeries and not buying from the local hair-store because surgery tends to put money in men's pockets and the local hair-store is more likely to be a female-run small business?

I could go through quite a bit of powerleveling here.

Spoiler: Sperging

I have a relative who is dealing with a chronic pain issue and if I were her, I would have started with the most mild, non-invasive shit that I could, then work my way up. Walk a couple miles a week and eat a scratch-cooked dinner five nights a week. Get an ergonomic home office setup and look up some acupressure/myofascial release points. Take up tai chi and give up foods with added sugar. Hire a personal trainer who will prescribe 60 squats and 5 minutes of planking a day.

After six months of that, then you go to the doctor and get your pills and injections and surgeries and shit.

I think troon faith in the medical-industrial complex is INSANE.

I am not the crunchy granola type, but my goal in life is to stay away from the doctor as much as I can.

I've taken a lot of prescription meds for my own ass-mar, and every one has caused another problem somewhere. Sometimes it's shit you can live with, and sometimes it's "Oh hell naw," but they're all going to do something somewhere that you don't like.

To wit:

Singulair Black Box Warning​

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration issued a Singulair black box warning in 2020 because of potentially serious behavior and mood-related changes with Singular. These changes include depression and suicidal thoughts. People experiencing behavior or mood-related changes should contact their doctor.

Asthma meds all make you psycho, make your snatch itch, cost $500 a month, or all three.

(I'm surprised testosterone doesn't come with a similar warning for pooners, given the number of pooner school shooters out there.)

Doing regular cardio, avoiding foods you're allergic to, and drinking something with caffeine in it is damn near free. Bad days, take a Sudafed and a hot shower. A stretch of bad days, start a low-key course of Prednisone.

My point is that all of this takes mindfulness, self-awareness, self-discipline, and personal responsibility.

All of which troons are allergic to.

Kevin would rather literally have his skull ground down than do 10 minutes a week of browscaping.

 

[Law]

(I'm surprised testosterone doesn't come with a similar warning for pooners, given the number of pooner school shooters out there.)

The book Demonic Males makes a really interesting case for males being pre-disposed to violent, irrational behavior (like school shootings), and the pooner shooters are another piece of evidence I think.

Kevin would rather literally have his skull ground down than do 10 minutes a week of browscaping.

If we look at trans surgeries as working with the placebo effect, the elaborate and extreme nature of the procedures makes more sense. The witch-doctor will have an easier time convincing you that the evil spirits are gone if the potion makes you throw up.

 

[stupid frog]

a set of adult woman makeup.

He'd only buy Transformer makeup, Colour Pop pls respond

 

[AirdropShitposts]

Think of the "best" troons people try to say look like women, Blair White or some of those porn stars or whatever, they almost always at best look like women who had bad plastic surgery on their faces. Then you find a picture of before and realize that's because they basically already had a pretty feminine face. That one porn star who was the trap meme looked basically the same before, and nobody could use more current pictures of them as they aged and got fatter. Any FFS that isn't like this you struggle to even figure out what they did, maybe they just knocked the dude out and took lunch.

And the kicker, related to the above conversation, is that these are people who often are getting professional makeup and stuff done let alone favorable camera angles. It wasn't the usual trap meme but I saw someone respond to one of them of some other porn star with a picture of the dude without makeup and it was immediately obvious even to someone who might have been fooled by the trap picture.

Like dudes don't even realize the amount of makeup regular ol women porn stars have compared to their "everyday" look and how much styling has been done (and probably often is continuously done) before they see them, they're definitely not going to spot it on troons who have the right body type advantages. I want to say that Blair White has a video or something showing or suggesting just how much makeup he does and it's pretty absurd. Somebody like Kevin wouldn't even attempt it. He wouldn't even attempt the level somebody like Contrapoints or Philosophy Tube does, you can count the number of random troons you see on Twitter/Reddit/etc. who do that much on one hand. Kevin openly concedes he refuses to do any basic daily hygiene of any kind, let alone anything just to look prettier.

 

[S.C.U.D.]

Think of the "best" troons people try to say look like women, Blair White or some of those porn stars or whatever, they almost always at best look like women who had bad plastic surgery on their faces.

And only from certain carefully cultivated angles, when you're within 15 feet of them IRL there's no fooling you anymore.

 

[kazuhiro]

Spoiler: Nothing NSFW, or at all interesting

The above was in response to an actual woman.
Brain bad at not thinking.

FFS yearning.

Mistress.

Cheering Kevie up.

Kevin acting as discourse hall monitor.



Fat fem fag fall.

 

[Positron]

"I'm both (transfemmes and furries)."
What is his fursona? Salamander?

 

[Arcade Gannon]

He had a goat fursona at some point, and a jackalope before that. If you asked him now, he'd probably identify as a demon from those cartoons he's been watching.

 

[KiwiFuzz2]

Like dudes don't even realize the amount of makeup regular ol women porn stars have compared to their "everyday" look and how much styling has been done (and probably often is continuously done) before they see them, they're definitely not going to spot it on troons who have the right body type advantages. I want to say that Blair White has a video or something showing or suggesting just how much makeup he does and it's pretty absurd. Somebody like Kevin wouldn't even attempt it. He wouldn't even attempt the level somebody like Contrapoints or Philosophy Tube does, you can count the number of random troons you see on Twitter/Reddit/etc. who do that much on one hand. Kevin openly concedes he refuses to do any basic daily hygiene of any kind, let alone anything just to look prettier.

I was deep into watching makeup videos on YouTube for a while and there are some absolute magicians out there.

I would unironically suggest that some of these troons watch drag queen videos. There are some wizards out there with the contouring brush.

But that implies that the goal for AGPs is to pass, and that's not really the goal, is it?

 

[PuddIeduck]

They're alien robots that in lore are technically "living beings" despite being made of metal and having robotic parts. "Spark" in this case refers to their soul, which unlike trannies which it's not provable is an actual like fully known to exist and capable of interaction type of thing. So basically they're more or less spirits inhabiting a metal shell in a sense.

The only time they really did anything super wild with the concept was in beast wars/beast machines from what I remember, which is ironically where they actually decided to flesh it out a bit in a way that basically became the standard for sparks in lore, rather than just a loose term for "soul".
For instance, there's this guy named X, or "rampage". His whole deal is he's literally immortal (but can still feel pain) as a result of some experiment shit, and Megatron gets him to work for him by literally ripping part of his soul out from his body and putting it in a torture cage

I can't remember his name but I liked the ant Predacon, whose mind got a bit messed up and he always called Megatron "My Queen." Surprised the troons haven't co-opted that!

 

[The Lawgiver]

I can't remember his name but I liked the ant Predacon, whose mind got a bit messed up and he always called Megatron "My Queen." Surprised the troons haven't co-opted that!

His name's inferno, not to be confused with the probably 5 or so other transformers also named that.

It's probably because he was a schizo that's running gag was how he thought he was a real ant no matter how much people told hm otherwise. Now normally this would be something that troons would co-opt but it's constantly stated and made extremely clear this is just a delusion caused by him waking up in beast mode. Behaviorally he's like a fucked up Don Quixote, but if he thought he was a fucking ant instead of a knight.

Spoiler: SPOILERS FOR AN OVER 20 YEAR NEARING 30 YEAR OLD TV SHOW

He fucking dies in a gag scene

Only thing they could technically do I think is frame him as some kind of "transphobic propaganda" or something but nobody will take that seriously because it's a guy that's a fucking crazy ant man.