Concord - robots with pronouns

[augment]

I'm sure this time they'll learn their lesson. Just like they learned their lesson from Redfall before. Or Saints Row. Or Suicide Squad. Or Assassin's Creed, or.....

 

[Pepe Cortisona]

Developers and activists will be doubling down, that's a given. The fun part is how hard they will crash everything while they're still claiming it's the consumer's fault of their own demise.

 

[moocow]

Is this on its way of becoming a new grifter record topic. It must be well on its way, we're on the last week of September and youtube still thinks I'm interested in concord redesigns or how sony spent 9 billion drachma.

Nah mate, the people responsible for this dumpster fire deserve to have their noses rubbed in it for as long as possible. Let the teeming masses have their fun and just weather the storm; some other fuckup will steal everyone's attention soon enough anyway, and then you won't hear much about Concord again until a couple years from now when the "long-form video essays" about it start coming out. But those are pretty easy to avoid if they're not your thing.

 

[Hooked on phobics]

Nah mate, the people responsible for this dumpster fire deserve to have their noses rubbed in it for as long as possible. Let the teeming masses have their fun and just weather the storm

Added onto this, it wasn't just "another woke game" like saints, suicide squad, or other crap (and those got equal coverage honestly) its a game which was promoted to hell and back and failed harder than a morbily obese man on a waterslide shitting himself. It being called the biggest industry fail since ET isn't an exaggeration

 

[30+GameOvers]

Added onto this, it wasn't just "another woke game" like saints, suicide squad, or other crap (and those got equal coverage honestly) its a game which was promoted to hell and back and failed harder than a morbily obese man on a waterslide shitting himself. It being called the biggest industry fail since ET isn't an exaggeration

*Failed harder than Daw on a waterslide shitting himself

Fixed that for you, pimp!

 

[Thiletonomics]

*Failed harder than Daw on a waterslide shitting himself
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Fixed that for you, pimp!

ME AND MY POO!

 

[AnOminous]

Added onto this, it wasn't just "another woke game" like saints, suicide squad, or other crap (and those got equal coverage honestly) its a game which was promoted to hell and back and failed harder than a morbily obese man on a waterslide shitting himself.

If you told me it had a character in it who was literally a morbidly obese man on a waterslide shitting himself, I'd believe it.

*Failed harder than Daw on a waterslide shitting himself

Lmao it literally did.

 

[Honored guest]

Added onto this, it wasn't just "another woke game" like saints, suicide squad, or other crap (and those got equal coverage honestly) its a game which was promoted to hell and back and failed harder than a morbily obese man on a waterslide shitting himself. It being called the biggest industry fail since ET isn't an exaggeration

I still can't wrap my head around this as I had never even heard of this turd until it launched and everyone started laughing at it. Either I live under a rock or my refusal to browse the Internet without adblock is paying dividends.

 

[p1138]

I still can't wrap my head around this as I had never even heard of this turd until it launched and everyone started laughing at it. Either I live under a rock or my refusal to browse the Internet without adblock is paying dividends.

Unless you actually follow Playstation news like some weird console war sycophant, it wasn't because you were living under a rock. They wanted to keep this game quiet and then astroturf hype about it with a media blitz during and post launch(hence why they wanted to do all of the CGI animations and shit after release, that deal with amazon for the cartoon episode, etc.). Companies have tried this before, even if I can't think of any examples off the top of my head but it's a weird strategy to try and catch people off guard with something that's gotten huge instantly, make people wonder why they hadn't heard about it so people get curious and look into it, and so on. Of course I doubt anyone would have expected the possibility of the backlash against the game to be as quick and universal as it was.

Remember, there were some game journos crying about how steam must be glitched because it's peak player count was so low on launch day while it was somewhere in the top 80 games on steam at the time or something. Instead of understand how much those top games fall off in terms of sales after the top 20 or so. The fact is the audience for the game never existed, even among the weird lefties that do buy games on occasion(resetera types), and their bs narrative about how it's them alt right chuds or whatever immediately failed because what, 99% of gamers are "alt right"? I don't fucking think so. This shit is like the WNBA, it has no audience, a vocal minority of people who also don't actually give a shit but pretend everyone else should, and is generally a drain.

 

[FedPostalService]

Unless you actually follow Playstation news like some weird console war sycophant, it wasn't because you were living under a rock. They wanted to keep this game quiet and then astroturf hype about it with a media blitz during and post launch(hence why they wanted to do all of the CGI animations and shit after release, that deal with amazon for the cartoon episode, etc.). Companies have tried this before, even if I can't think of any examples off the top of my head but it's a weird strategy to try and catch people off guard with something that's gotten huge instantly, make people wonder why they hadn't heard about it so people get curious and look into it, and so on. Of course I doubt anyone would have expected the possibility of the backlash against the game to be as quick and universal as it was.

Remember, there were some game journos crying about how steam must be glitched because it's peak player count was so low on launch day while it was somewhere in the top 80 games on steam at the time or something. Instead of understand how much those top games fall off in terms of sales after the top 20 or so. The fact is the audience for the game never existed, even among the weird lefties that do buy games on occasion(resetera types), and their bs narrative about how it's them alt right chuds or whatever immediately failed because what, 99% of gamers are "alt right"? I don't fucking think so. This shit is like the WNBA, it has no audience, a vocal minority of people who also don't actually give a shit but pretend everyone else should, and is generally a drain.

I thought it was weird that I had no idea this game existed until it lunched then quickly died.

If I was investing a few hundred million into a project I’d at least try and get people excited for it launching.

 

[Fatsuit Shinji]

It had been low-key advertised and promo since last June or July from what I've seen. Best guess I got is someone in Sony's advertisement department realized it was going to flop hard after seeing the data and especially the player numbers in the closed beta. And decided not spend any money beyond the absolute minimum.

 

[MeltyTW]

Unless you actually follow Playstation news like some weird console war sycophant, it wasn't because you were living under a rock.

i remember seeing it heavily promoted. i think the thing was it wasnt promoted in ways youd really see unless youre really into the slop opinions of game journalists who dont really play games or sony publications and social media and different sundry things like that. i think the idea was initially youd hear about it from "your favorite games media personalities" and then itd take off with more heavy out and out promotion.

what amazes me is how much of a bubble the games industry in all its facets is in because of their inability to accept harsh truths. i was watching asmon look at leaked ubisoft memos and they dont go by user scores they go by reviewer scores, they think people actually listen to figures widely known to not even like games. and i think they might actually think that all their problems stem from a few "grifters" rather than popular opinion allowing genuine and not so genuine figures to ride the wave against them.

 

[p1138]

what amazes me is how much of a bubble the games industry in all its facets is in because of their inability to accept harsh truths. i was watching asmon look at leaked ubisoft memos and they dont go by user scores they go by reviewer scores, they think people actually listen to figures widely known to not even like games. and i think they might actually think that all their problems stem from a few "grifters" rather than popular opinion allowing genuine and not so genuine figures to ride the wave against them.

Funny you say that, I just posted this in the ubislop thread but it's relevant to your statement

https://www.gamesradar.com/games/open-world/making-solid-games-isnt-enough-when-you-have-gamers-expecting-extraordinary-experiences-ubisoft-ceo-says-after-star-wars-outlaws/

"In today's challenging market and with gamers expecting extraordinary experiences, delivering solid quality is no longer enough,"

So the comments about ubisoft ignoring the user scores for outlaws and only trusting the metacritic shit, nevermind the trips to fucking disneyland/world they paid for is just outright ignoring the entire gaming community as a whole, but trying to blame gamers for being the ones not willing to accept mediocre garbage and instead wanting "extraordinary experiences" when budgets for these games run over 100 million as triple and now quadruple A titles is just fucking deranged. Even if we ignore what the main character in Outlaws looks like, or that someone seems to have decided you can't do outlaw type things in a game called Outlaws, it launched as a buggy mess, but again we're supposed to just accept that.

And specifically regarding the game journos, Alana Pearce released a video a couple weeks back

Her summary is that game journos play more games on average than us and thus the games we see get rated 7/10, 70/100, etc fall into that because they've played more 1-6 rated games. Of course the problem is that they almost never review the 1-6 rated games(because they only want to review the big AAA games since those are the ones that get clicks) so the entire bottom half of the scale may as well not fucking exist. She also brings up Doom 2016 and some indie writer they had paid and gave it a shit review that supposedly no one in the office agreed with but then didn't have the editorial sense to think to just NOT publish what was a review even they thought was obviously bullshit. And that's all before we get into the obvious issues of the personal politics of these morons that she doesn't get into.

 

[MeltyTW]

Her summary is that game journos play more games on average than us and thus the games we see get rated 7/10, 70/100, etc fall into that because they've played more 1-6 rated games.

i think her video is just knowingly all bullshit. theres no fucking way people are retarded enough to make 7 the average. its obviously to appease corpos. she also never gets into how games journalists have such wildly different tastes often from not liking games or politics most people dont care about or hate, that theyre useless to most people. either that or they only listen to the passer bys who also dont play games saying "oh no darling slay its totally not for those reasons" and just ignore their fundamental rot to an insane degree.

or that someone seems to have decided you can't do outlaw type things in a game called Outlaws

i heard that was disneys fault mainly, because they wanted an underworld that was like toddler friendly rather than actual cruel fucked up shit. because forbid a disney ip has anything somewhat interesting or unique in it that cant be shat down the throats of the drooling retarded lowest common denominator for maximal profit.

buggy mess

"extraordinary experiences"

now that i cant see how they cope with unless theyre just lying desperately. i can see seeing concord and minimizing the left wing ideas and aesthetics as a reason it failed, i can see seeing baldurs gate 3s success and ignoring people mainly complaining about the gay elements to it and the romance in general for being the weakest parts of it, idk how you see glitchy unplayable messes and think only a chud right winger would bitch about it.

 

[p1138]

i think her video is just knowingly all bullshit. theres no fucking way people are retarded enough to make 7 the average. its obviously to appease corpos. she also never gets into how games journalists have such wildly different tastes often from not liking games or politics most people dont care about or hate, that theyre useless to most people. either that or they only listen to the passer bys who also dont play games saying "oh no darling slay its totally not for those reasons" and just ignore their fundamental rot to an insane degree.

Oh of course it's bullshit. She refused to admit the scale was fucked and didn't acknowledge that the dinky indie games that could be considered as the 1-6 part of the scale rarely ever get reviewed by these game journo sites. If they never get reviewed, then they shouldn't be considered on the scale.

Plus, there's a bigger issue that's been going on since long before gamergate. If the game journo scores are commonly so unaligned with the opinions of the actual buyers of the products, then maybe the game journos are just... fucking wrong?

i heard that was disneys fault mainly, because they wanted an underworld that was like toddler friendly rather than actual cruel fucked up shit. because forbid a disney ip has anything somewhat interesting or unique in it that cant be shat down the throats of the drooling retarded lowest common denominator for maximal profit.

Sure, but that's not relevant. If Disney forced the game to be shit and that was the reason why the game was shit(instead of just being one frankly minor reason out of many) then Ubisoft should be the ones bitching at Disney for forcing them into making shit or removing features.

now that i cant see how they cope with unless theyre just lying desperately. i can see seeing concord and minimizing the left wing ideas and aesthetics as a reason it failed, i can see seeing baldurs gate 3s success and ignoring people mainly complaining about the gay elements to it and the romance in general for being the weakest parts of it, idk how you see glitchy unplayable messes and think only a chud right winger would bitch about it.

Cope, and out of touch investors being fed utter bullshit. It was from an earnings call afterall. Most other industries producing things for consumers couldn't get away with releasing something in a state of utter trash to consumers without getting massive backlash, let alone repeatedly doing so in rapid succession. Just look at all of the failures and think about the money wasted on this shit, just from the past couple of years.

lotr: gollum
concord
dustburn
payday 3
sw outlaws
suicide squad kill the justice league
skull and bones
saints row
rainbow 6 extraction
redfall
gotham knights
skull island rise of kong
starfield(having a ton of players because it's free on gamepass does not make it a success just because they tried it out)
gta 3 definitive edition
dead rising remaster
homeworld 3
cities skylines 2

These games didn't all fail because they were "woke" they all failed because they were shit. Budgets vary, but this crap adds up to billions of dollars wasted on producing garbage, that these devs and publishers knew was garbage. There's plenty of other games that I forgot, and with the exception of the stupid gollum game and the king kong garbage, these were all supposed to be "AAA/AAAA" games, or at least remasters of them. But because the investors have no idea wtf is actually going on, even though it's plain as day to consumers, you're not seeing a board of directors basically halting everything, and firing people from the top down at the larger companies for repeatedly wasting money and time.

As for concord, it wasn't just the woke shit that killed it. The devs committed an even worse "crime" regarding an entertainment product, it was fucking generic and bland. When your shit looks generic from the art to the gameplay, how the hell is that supposed to generate interest? All of the "lore" was shit too. But instead the upper management is so damned out of touch they refuse to accept that the game journos haven't been in alignment with the actual buyers of the products for damn near what, 20 years at this point?

 

[MeltyTW]

Oh of course it's bullshit. She refused to admit the scale was fucked and didn't acknowledge that the dinky indie games that could be considered as the 1-6 part of the scale rarely ever get reviewed by these game journo sites. If they never get reviewed, then they shouldn't be considered on the scale.

yeah theres also the fact that not all bigger games are going to fall in 7 or above. i think they had trouble recently with gollum and concord and dustborn and wukong all being way too close in scores, its not even that unreviewed lower quality games are making all the reviewed games be reviewed at a higher average, theyre just ignoring when larger games are at or below the quality of shitty indie games.

Sure, but that's not relevant. If Disney forced the game to be shit and that was the reason why the game was shit(instead of just being one frankly minor reason out of many) then Ubisoft should be the ones bitching at Disney for forcing them into making shit or removing features.

i just thought it was interesting that disney even losing billions of dollars would rather keep doing that instead of just letting you punch an old lady for her money, especially when them kiddifying everything is a common complaint

it wasn't just the woke shit that killed it

i think its a bigger component than people realize though. i dont think its necessarily that people wont buy left wing shit, its that the ideas of the left wing have run a course that left them having trouble making palatable art anymore. in the bush era they were still forced to pretend people would be free to do whatever and had more popularity so they could afford a more carefree attitude and allow more variety in opinions because they were safer. now they want to force in just really gross shit like breast removal scars and sexless women with bulges and fucked up tumblr art.

i know people will put up with a lot if a game is great otherwise, like most people arent like me wholl not touch bg3 because i dont want my magic teacher to be a gay animal fucking rapist and im sure i have exceptions i havent really thought of too hard, and people do tend to think left = failures. but i think the correct way to look at it is their foundation is unstable because they hold those ideas. concord characters are bland tumblrista fanart because of their enforced positivity and anti normal beauty aesthetic mindset. they force in shit people dont like out of spite and over-eagerness and when they dont do that or combined with that their general shit attitudes arent conducive to make great games or foster good will.

 

[p1138]

yeah theres also the fact that not all bigger games are going to fall in 7 or above. i think they had trouble recently with gollum and concord and dustborn and wukong all being way too close in scores, its not even that unreviewed lower quality games are making all the reviewed games be reviewed at a higher average, theyre just ignoring larger games that are at or below the quality of shitty indie games.

It kind of is though. Dustborn is dogshit, and so was concord. Those games should not be a 7. Assuming the games at least functionally worked, they should be a 5. Instead we get crap games rated at a 7, while black myth wukong gets an 8 as if it's somehow barely better than those two?

i think its a bigger component than people realize though. i dont think its necessarily that people wont buy left wing shit, its that the ideas of the left wing have run a course that left them having trouble making palatable art anymore. in the bush era they were still forced to pretend people would be free to do whatever and had more popularity so they could afford a more carefree attitude and allow more variety in opinions because they were safer. now they want to force in just really gross shit like breast removal scars and sexless women with bulges and fucked up tumblr art.

i know people will put up with a lot if a game is great otherwise, like most people arent like me wholl not touch bg3 because i dont want my magic teacher to be a gay animal fucking rapist and im sure i have exceptions i havent really thought of too hard, and people do tend to think left = failures. but i think the correct way to look at it is their foundation is unstable because they hold those ideas. concord characters are bland tumblrista fanart because of their enforced positivity and anti normal beauty aesthetic mindset. they force in shit people dont like out of spite and over-eagerness and when they dont do that or combined with that their general shit attitudes arent conducive to make great games or foster good will.

Sure but that's the thing. BG3 was woke as fuck, but was a success. Being woke alone will not kill a game. That's like saying because women are involved, the WNBA can't get asses in seats to watch a game. The reality is that the games(both these woke games and WNBA games) tend to be fucking boring so no one wants to bother. You may not have wanted to bother with BG3, and I didn't but that still doesn't change that the game was a success.

Dragon Age Veilguard is basically going to end up dead on arrival. Is that game really any more "woke" than baldurs gate 3, aside from the tranny boob scar option? Not really from what we've seen. But everything we've seen about it looks like generic and ugly bullshit while ignoring history from the previous games. Space Marine 2 has been called "woke" because a bunch of people out of touch with what games workshop has been doing for a decade were shocked that not all ultramarines look like some roman chad meme, and there's a woman in a position of authority in the imperial guard, nevermind that she immediately defers leadership to her 8 foot tall male lords that arrive on scene. Is space marine 2 "woke"? No.

We need to stop letting shitty grifters use "woke" like the left used "nazi" to the point of it becoming meaningless. After everything else wrong with concord, it is indeed wokeslop, same with dustborn, and same with veilguard. But letting "woke" be the sole complaint certainly doesn't help anything. Look at the list of failed shitty games I posted, Skull and Bones didn't fail because it was woke, it failed because it was a shitty game stuck in development hell and released in an utterly boring state. Cities Skylines 2? It's a city builder game that managed to look visually worse than it's predecessor and ran like crap because the devs were dumb and had humans with 50,000 poly models because they didn't optimize a damned thing(shared assets with the publisher's sims clone that was later cancelled). Homeworld 3? Not woke, just shit controls and shit gameplay failing to accomplish what the original did back in fucking 1999 being a 3d RTS set in space. Payday 3? Ignored customers and went straight into being a microtransaction hellscape, plus being a buggy mess at launch for the few people that tried to bother with it.

Call shitty games as they are, shitty games. Being wokeslop bullshit can certainly be a reason for a game to be shit, but it's usually not the only one.

 

[MeltyTW]

Assuming the games at least functionally worked, they should be a 5.

idk alana and others have talked about 5 being seen as bad but i think working functionally should only get you a guaranteed 4. below average minimum for your game then. idk where this idea comes from that 5 is just this cookie you give out. imo since ign covers mainly large studio releases 5 should be like a shelf filler but buy kinda deal. like a game you buy if its kinda middling but maybe you like the gimmick or meh its open world and the studios green so the lore kinda sucks but its kinda neat looking and you can have running around a bit and messing with things. if you cant recommend it to buy as a meh sort of game then its a 4 at best even if it functions.

That's like saying because women are involved, the WNBA can't get asses in seats to watch a game. The reality is that the games(both these woke games and WNBA games)

yeah in a theoretical world where the women are insane and doing like jetpack harlem globetrotter tricks or are more skilled then men youd watch a wnba game ... but people arent blank slates and thus yeah women being the focus of the product is what makes it inferior as theyre not blank slates and have certain preconditions attached to them making the games inferior.

Being woke alone will not kill a game

but it wont ever help it, theres a reason we always hear about "bg3" as the counter example and little else. and even games with elements like that that are popular like new vegas youre allowed to stray from the narrative and side with differing ideologies even if the crew clearly dont favor some over others. or you can ignore it for the most part to the point many dont even remember those elements being in there or know it as the weak parts of the game same way you would watching foreign media and seeing bits about their propaganda strewn in. i dont buy this idea that its not corrosive in and of itself. some games can survive it true but obsidian didnt check it and they messed up the chance to parlay new vegas fame into something instead having the middling outer wilds.

Is space marine 2 "woke"? No.

We need to stop letting shitty grifters use "woke" like the left used "nazi" to the point of it becoming meaningless.

the core of this issue is the right are often cowards and use proxy terms to avoid the real issue, instead of just outright admitting people dont want demoralizing anti white pro gay pro trans characters or concepts in media any longer. if youre able to just admit those are the issues it becomes a lot more consistent and allows you to just freely criticize media even if its otherwise good much more consistently. i dont like gay characters because its wrong to be gay and its wrong to normalize it. boom done no need to say "woke" or set up some cat and mouse games where i invent abstract principles to invent a just cause to rail at people for having those elements in games.

Call shitty games as they are, shitty games. Being wokeslop bullshit can certainly be a reason for a game to be shit, but it's usually not the only one.

the issue is you can call shitty games shitty unless youre an access journalism news outlet, but you cant call out an issue thats become a much bigger issue over time. the problem is their ideas are ruining games as well. dragon age character creation is atrocious and that alone is off putting tons of people, the dragon age games are "woke" though. but its reaching its end stage. when the left made good things they were in a very tiny sliver of history that allowed them to do that. when youre in an era where "hitlerlover1488niggerexecutor" will often ban people for "actual racism" because hes some tranny trying to be edgy you can afford to be more daring and have more variety in your art from their pov but thats a very specific cultural context that frankly will never happen again.

 

[Neodanthril]

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That's a man???

 

[SpiderBitch]

That's a man???

Too fat to be assigned a gender