What conspiracy theories do you believe in? - Put your tinfoil hats on

So if you take a photo on the dark side of the moon of the stars, there's nothing to over expose the photograph. Jesus you are a fucking retard.
Yeah, sure. Or one could take pictures simply of the stars away from the moon and Earth. But why would they? They're not very interesting compared to the moon, and they had limited film. If they had some dedicated camera and mission for that, they'd do it.
Which they did, btw, on Apollo 16, where they brought a far UV camera to take pictures of stars in the UV spectrum without interference of Earth' atmosphere.
 
repeat myself not as a form of argument, but to highlight your failure.
Lmao. Ironic.
there is no evidence you will accept. In order to rebut this claim, you must provide a specific description of evidence that you would accept.
Why would I accept your evidence exactly? I said post the swing arm. What did you post? Oh a picture that isn't the swing arm. Oh and it's not even the actual lander it's a model. So good job blowing your own argument out of the water.
You cannot do that because you are not a reasonable or rational person.
Oh no I don't fall your for mediocre propaganda. Those words mean nothing from you.
That is not a specific description. That is vague category that includes evidence you already reject. For example, witness testimony is evidence, and corroboration by other witnesses is verification.
So if I dog pile this thread with 10 people that said you fuck a dog, that means you fucked a dog.

Better yet, by your own evidentiary standards you must believe in Bigfoot. Theres far more evidence that Bigfoot exists than for the moon landing. So do you believe in Bigfoot or are you a liar and a hypocrit?
So I will repeat ...because it's actually quite fun to rub your nose in this: there is no evidence you will accept.
The only thing you can do is show your own self up, retard.
 
If I went to space I would do something to prove beyond any doubt that I did.

Like rocks from the moon you went to? That you can see to this day in multiple places, including the Smithsonian Museum? That kind of thing, maybe?

I still think they missed a bet by not setting off a nuke while we were there. The Moon men deserve a good dose of nuclear fire.

Those moon men seem like real jerks.
 
Why would I accept your evidence exactly?
You wont. That's my point. There is no evidence you will accept. You believe that the Earth is flat and even if we fired you into space, you would reject the evidence of your own eyes.

if I dog pile this thread with 10 people that said you fuck a dog, that means you fucked a dog.
Now watch how easily and rationally I rebut your argument. Seriously, watch and learn. This is super easy for me!

I didn't say that you had to accept eyewitness testimony. And I definitely did not say that you should accept it uncritically.

What I said (and I'm right) is that there is no evidence you will accept. You are not a rational person. And I even told you exactly how you could rebut my claim (that there's no evidence you will accept) - that's how confident I am that I'm right!

If you found 10 people who said that I fucked a dog, I would impeach their testimony. It'd be easy. Do they know me? What's my name? What do I look like? When they can't answer these questions, it would be reasonable to discard what they say.

Did you see that?? Do you see how easy it is for me to respond to shoot you down? You've scored no points here. I almost feel guilty for what I'm doing to you.
 
Yeah, sure. Or one could take pictures simply of the stars away from the moon and Earth. But why would they?
For science? Why do anything? Why take a picture of a sunset, you'll see another one tomorrow?
They're not very interesting compared to the moon, and they had limited film. If they had some dedicated camera and mission for that, they'd do it.
And if you look at all the pictures they took you'd see they could spare a few shots of stars. You did look at the entire collection right?
Which they did, btw, on Apollo 16, where they brought a far UV camera to take pictures of stars in the UV spectrum without interference of Earth' atmosphere.
Gotta plug up the holes in your story with, things that can be done from satellites. You know what can't be done from satellites take pictures of stars from the dark side of the moon.
Like rocks from the moon you went to? That you can see to this day in multiple places, including the Smithsonian Museum? That kind of thing, maybe?
you mean the ones you can find in Antarctica? Or the ones that turned out to be petrified wood? Those rocks?
You wont. That's my point. There is no evidence you will accept. You believe that the Earth is flat and even if we fired you into space, you would reject the evidence of your own eyes.
Hey look repeating things again because you can only talk to yourself.
Now watch how easily and rationally I rebut your argument. Seriously, watch and learn. This is super easy for me!
So when are you going to do it?
I didn't say that you had to accept eyewitness testimony. And I definitely did not say that you should accept it uncritically.
Yet here you are promoting evidence uncritically. Funny how easy it is to show you are a hypocrit and a liar.
What I said (and I'm right) is that there is no evidence you will accept. You are not a rational person. And I even told you exactly how you could rebut my claim (that there's no evidence you will accept) - that's how confident I am that I'm right!
I told you my standards, you keep dodging them. Not my problem. You aren't rational or even intelligent.
If you found 10 people who said that I fucked a dog, I would impeach their testimony. It'd be easy. Do they know me? What's my name? What do I look like? When they can't answer these questions, it would be reasonable to discard what they say.
So when NASA says and does the same thing. Why do you not apply that standard to them? I said to show me a specific piece of evidence and you come up empty. The reasonable and rational thing would be to question it's existence, but I guess it doesn't apply to things you imagine exist. So why isn't the camera equipment for the most important moment in the history of humanity not readily available?
Did you see that?? Do you see how easy it is for me to respond to shoot you down? You've scored no points here. I almost feel guilty for what I'm doing to you.
You've done nothing but duck and dodge like every other internet retard I talk to. So again do you believe in Bigfoot or not?
 
on Apollo 16, where they brought a far UV camera to take pictures of stars
Did you catch his response to this? It's so typical. He wants evidence. Someone provides it. He refuses to accept it.

There is no evidence he'll accept.

You know that he's a flat-earther, right? He thinks apollo must be fake because, in his worldview, the earth is flat and there's a dome keeping in the atmosphere.

do you believe in Bigfoot
Nope.

And now, behold as I effortlessly do the thing that you are unable to do: I will tell you specifically what evidence I would accept, that would make me believe in bigfoot. I would accept skeletal remains, specifically a skull.

You are not able to say specifically what evidence you would accept, because there is no evidence you will accept, because you're not a rational person, and your beliefs are not arrived at through rational means.
 
And now, behold as I effortlessly do the thing that you are unable to do: I will tell you specifically what evidence I would accept, that would make me believe in bigfoot. I would accept skeletal remains, specifically a skull.
So you want evidence that is independently verifiable? Hmm. Who is the retard now? Oh its still you.

I'm still waiting on your swing arm proof.
 
For science? Why do anything? Why take a picture of a sunset, you'll see another one tomorrow?
There is not really any science there unless you got something dedicated going on.

And if you look at all the pictures they took you'd see they could spare a few shots of stars. You did look at the entire collection right?
Oh, sure. Would have probably been alright. But again, there's not much interesting in photographing stars.

Gotta plug up the holes in your story with, things that can be done from satellites. You know what can't be done from satellites take pictures of stars from the dark side of the moon.
They took pictures of Earth with that, too. There were no satellites out that far.

As for the TV cameras, I'm not quite sure where you're going with it.
 
I'm telling you fellas, nukes as we know them are just a boogieman and it's fucking stupid.
I'd not be surprised if after the the initial scares of the cold war most nukes fell into disrepair and only a minimum are still usable. Maybe even the official peak numbers were fake.
I believe a significant number of nukes at least existed, tho, beyond the test devices.
 
You know that he's a flat-earther, right? He thinks apollo must be fake because, in his worldview, the earth is flat and there's a dome keeping in the atmosphere.
In his worldview, he gets a pretty nice paycheck and pretty nice benefits just for going onto forums and posting flat-earth cracknigger nonsense to poison the well.

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There was this video of a reading of a /x/ post about how elites kept people locked in dark and cramped spaces under specific buildings, and these people became like horrifically deformed.

Probably bot real, but honestly with the shit that's been revealed to be true, I wouldn't be surprised if some fucked up experiment like that is happening
 
If the moon landing was faked, I believe the Soviet Union would've done all they could to expose and discredit it. It would have been a huge propaganda victory for them globally.
Instead, the Soviet Union just reported on it and hid their own failure of a moon landing program.
If the Soviets lost the space race at the final hurdle - despite winning every race along the way with vastly superior technology, only for them to fall silent when the US beat them, or faked them, to the moon, then there would be Soviet outcry regardless. The Soviets, like any enemy nation engaged in arms races, would point to how their past victories were more signifcant, or, in the direct comparisons of Nuclear and technological races, would do everything to raise the bar further.

That both the US and Soviet union stopped the space race at the moon, despite the latter never officially getting there, and the former abandoning the idea altogether some 4 years and only a handful of trips later, raises more questions than anyone asks. Did America stop when they had the best nuclear bomb? No. Neither did the soviets. The race only stopped when, after the Tsar bomba dropped, there were legitimate scientific concerns that a continuation of the path of making the biggest bomb would end the world by knocking the planet off of its' axis, arose.

Consider what we know of enemy nations and their actions towards one-another throughout millennia of recorded history, something either disastrous happened during the race to land on the moon, something so heinous that it would bring down both the capitalist and communists societies simultaneously, or, continued visits to the moon would threaten the existence of humanity as a whole.
Considering only one nation, with a dozen people, over a span of 4 years, travelled to one of the most fascinating places in human history, only to abandon the destination with NO OTHER NATION EVER ATTEMPTING TO VISIT AGAIN for coming up to 60 years, should ring alarm bells to all of those who aren't retarded.

TL;DR The moon landing conspiracy is a distraction to have you arguing over the moon and to never look further. Did America get there or did they not, is an irrelevant and pointless question to ask, when the real question is "Why has no nation, including America, ever returned?" The only answer you will receive is that "It's too expensive and scientifically irrelevant", while private individuals spend 10x the Apollo NASA budget on buying software companies to push DEI initiatives, funding failed transport projects and constructing vanity buildings for no other reason than tax write-offs.

TL;DR- TL;DR Something happened on the way to the moon, something that threatens the human species. A virus, a madness, an extra-terrestrial life-form, a risk of wiping out the atmosphere by penetrating it? I don't know. There is something though.
 
the Soviets lost the space race at the final hurdle - despite winning every race along the way with vastly superior technology
You're overstating it a bit. They got the first satellite into orbit. That's significant. They got the first man into orbit because they were willing to risk his life. The US mercury was ready to go at the same time.

So, one clear victory, and then one hair's breadth victory. What did they do after that?

First woman in space? That's not really a victory - that's just identity politics. You could wrack up a long list of those. How about the first left-hander in space? They had the first spacewalk, but that too is mostly just them pulling a stunt. It's not like a project milestone, simply because you can test the suits on the ground.

The first orbital rendezvous and docking is a bigger milestone, in my opinion, than any of the soviet manned program firsts. It proves that you can navigate in orbit (did you know that Buzz Aldrin did the computations for a rendezvous using a sextant and slide rule while in orbit!) and it proves precision control of the spacecraft.

The soviets also had a bunch of unmanned firsts, which they accomplished just by throwing robots and stuff until one of them worked. Same thing the US did, of course. They call Mars the space probe graveyard. Until like 2005 there were more failed probes on the surface than successful ones. But the Soviets got the first successful landing on Mars, and on Venus. I'm not saying that's not significant, I'm just saying they didn't do it with "vastly superior technology."

"Why has no nation, including America, ever returned?"
Isn't the obvious answer, money? If we can't make money, or put our military there in order to protect our empire ...in order to make money, then we don't do it.

Consider the following: In 1970 you could buy a ticket to fly on a giant airliner with more than 100 people that would take you across the atlantic at more than twice the speed of sound.

Why has no nation, including America, ever built another Concorde?

You can weave a conspiracy if you like. Maybe an aircraft that big, going that fast, opens a portal to another dimension. Isn't it a strange coincidence that the only other aircraft that large and that fast, the Valkyrie, was also canceled?

The Soviets had a program to build one too, but also canceled. There must be a conspiracy!!

And where are the plans for the concorde? I don't mean schematics. I means construction plans. OMG they don't exist???

This is an easy game to play, but it's not a game that gets you to the truth. Concorde existed. It was real. It was very cool. But there's more money to be made with larger, slower, airplanes. That's it. That's the answer. All the other things (Valkyrie, the Soviets, etc.) those really are just coincidences.

Same with manned lunar missions.

Quite frankly, if Kennedy hadn't been assassinated, the US probably wouldn't have gone to the moon either. It's too hard to keep an expensive project going, and too easy to cancel it. Nixon canceled the last few Apollo missions even though the hardware was ready to go. Why did he do it? Simple: he didn't get any credit for it. And as a politician with an ego, he wants credit! So instead, he set up Apollo/Soyuz - a publicity stunt with absolutely no further value!

After Apollo, the US has never managed to keep a manned program going for longer than one presidential era. Nova (larger version of Saturn V) - canceled. Venturestar - canceled. Ares - canceled.

The only successful manned program was the space shuttle and the only reason that got off the ground was that the military wanted it (they built a whole launch site at Vandenburg). If not for military support, the shuttle would have been canceled too, and then there would have been no manned space program since apollo. Think about that!

Money and politics are the answers ...and politics is about money. It really is that simple.
 
You're overstating it a bit. They got the first satellite into orbit. That's significant. They got the first man into orbit because they were willing to risk his life. The US mercury was ready to go at the same time.

So, one clear victory, and then one hair's breadth victory. What did they do after that?
Animal came before man. They did a spacewalk and circumnavigation of Earth. They accomplished all their goals before the US, who were still struggling to get a rocket to not go bang.
First woman in space? That's not really a victory - that's just identity politics. You could wrack up a long list of those. How about the first left-hander in space? They had the first spacewalk, but that too is mostly just them pulling a stunt. It's not like a project milestone, simply because you can test the suits on the ground.
A woman in space is a significant achievement and not identity politics. You're showing your ignorance to human anatomy here, as female Jet Pilots have greater G tolerances than males. Sending a woman to space is a legit scientific study.
The first orbital rendezvous and docking is a bigger milestone, in my opinion, than any of the soviet manned program firsts. It proves that you can navigate in orbit (did you know that Buzz Aldrin did the computations for a rendezvous using a sextant and slide rule while in orbit!) and it proves precision control of the spacecraft.
I disagree, and it's fine if you disagree with that. This has very little to do with the main point.
The soviets also had a bunch of unmanned firsts, which they accomplished just by throwing robots and stuff until one of them worked. Same thing the US did, of course. They call Mars the space probe graveyard. Until like 2005 there were more failed probes on the surface than successful ones. But the Soviets got the first successful landing on Mars, and on Venus. I'm not saying that's not significant, I'm just saying they didn't do it with "vastly superior technology."
Soviet technology was vastly superior because they accomplished more on a shorter timeline.


Isn't the obvious answer, money? If we can't make money, or put our military there in order to protect our empire ...in order to make money, then we don't do it.
You don't have an empire. If you did, you would understand the importance of scientific discovery on what is referred to as the final frontier; a term borrowing from the new frontier of the discover of the Americas by Columbus and his Spanish pals. From fruit to veg to rare metals, the new discoveries in the new world allowed Spain - and then Britain when we copied the idea, to expand its' influence exponentially.
To ignore the conquest is fine, many nations have turned a blind-eye to something that others' knew would be a boon to their power. For every nation on Earth to simultaneously shrug their shoulders is not logical, for everyone to be ok with that is borderline retarded.
Consider the following: In 1970 you could buy a ticket to fly on a giant airliner with more than 100 people that would take you across the atlantic at more than twice the speed of sound.

Why has no nation, including America, ever built another Concorde?
Retarded question as Concorde was invented the next decade. That was a redesign of an invention knocking on 60 years old at that point. It has been 60 years since the alleged moon landing and no-one has returned. A better comparison would be discovering the Galapagos' Islands and deciding it's not worth going back, ever.
You can weave a conspiracy if you like. Maybe an aircraft that big, going that fast, opens a portal to another dimension. Isn't it a strange coincidence that the only other aircraft that large and that fast, the Valkyrie, was also canceled?

The Soviets had a program to build one too, but also canceled. There must be a conspiracy!!

And where are the plans for the concorde? I don't mean schematics. I means construction plans. OMG they don't exist???

This is an easy game to play, but it's not a game that gets you to the truth. Concorde existed. It was real. It was very cool. But there's more money to be made with larger, slower, airplanes. That's it. That's the answer. All the other things (Valkyrie, the Soviets, etc.) those really are just coincidences.
This is just autistic flapping. You're throwing the word conspiracy around, in a conspiracy thread, as a dismissive pejorative while purposely ignoring the point of my post. Why go to the effort of replying if you're just going to huff your own farts and reply with "hyuck hycuk, ackshually" word salad?
Same with manned lunar missions.

Quite frankly, if Kennedy hadn't been assassinated, the US probably wouldn't have gone to the moon either. It's too hard to keep an expensive project going, and too easy to cancel it. Nixon canceled the last few Apollo missions even though the hardware was ready to go. Why did he do it? Simple: he didn't get any credit for it. And as a politician with an ego, he wants credit! So instead, he set up Apollo/Soyuz - a publicity stunt with absolutely no further value!
Expense is relative. You do know America isn't the only nation on Earth, right? Which, again, is you ignoring my point and autistically rambling.
After Apollo, the US has never managed to keep a manned program going for longer than one presidential era. Nova (larger version of Saturn V) - canceled. Venturestar - canceled. Ares - canceled.

The only successful manned program was the space shuttle and the only reason that got off the ground was that the military wanted it (they built a whole launch site at Vandenburg). If not for military support, the shuttle would have been canceled too, and then there would have been no manned space program since apollo. Think about that!
What you're saying is, the Moon landing was so succesful and cemented America as the besterest of space racers so much that they never bothered going back, not because they couldn't but because they didn't want to?
Ok. Let's say that's plausible. Now do China, Britain, France, Europe, USSR, India, Mid-east..
Money and politics are the answers ...and politics is about money. It really is that simple.
Like I said, the only answer to my question is always just a brush off about expense and politics of ONE country, ignoring the rest of the world.

After reading your posts, I wonder why you're in this thread at all. The only conclusion I can come to that makes any sense is to try and talk-down to people who are in this thread mainly for a laugh; to discuss whacky ideas and shoot the shit. To see someone so autistically try and prove a point against a theory, while missing the mark so much, leads me to believe you're not very smart, borderline retarded, and post here to prove otherwise.
 
There is not really any science there unless you got something dedicated going on.
Doing things for the first time and showing everyone is science in and of itself.
Oh, sure. Would have probably been alright. But again, there's not much interesting in photographing stars.
Yeah there's nothing interesting about it, then you go and immediately contradict yourself.
They took pictures of Earth with that, too. There were no satellites out that far.

As for the TV cameras, I'm not quite sure where you're going with it.
So there was scientific interest in taking pictures of the Earth. So why wouldn't you do it in film? Hiding something?
In his worldview, he gets a pretty nice paycheck and pretty nice benefits just for going onto forums and posting flat-earth cracknigger nonsense to poison the well.
Do I get a paycheck for denying the holocaust as well or do I just get paid to think critically about what is pushed about space?
But the Soviets got the first successful landing on Mars, and on Venus. I'm not saying that's not significant, I'm just saying they didn't do it with "vastly superior technology."
I guess we can just downplay everything the Soviets were doing to make the narrative work in the USAs favor, what a good little propagandist you are.
Isn't the obvious answer, money? If we can't make money, or put our military there in order to protect our empire ...in order to make money, then we don't do it.
So saving our empire from instant catastrophic death, no matter how remote has no protective value? I guess you can't put a price on avoiding annihilation.
Why has no nation, including America, ever built another Concorde?
Well the French built the original, do America wouldn't build another since supersonic flight is banned in the states for nonmilitary aircraft. The internet has made a lot of the use of fast intercontinental flight redundant and the collapse of the world trade centers killed a lot of the customer base. There are talks about renewing the idea but I haven't heard much more in years. It's almost like there is a direct cause and effect that make rational logical sense. So when things don't, it's really fucking obvious.
And where are the plans for the concorde? I don't mean schematics. I means construction plans. OMG they don't exist???
Why don't you ask who owns the rights to it? You didn't did you? You just assumed something for the sake of your own argument because you lack any foundational knowledge.
This is an easy game to play, but it's not a game that gets you to the truth.
Well you still haven't posted anything truthful, so you still don't know what you are talking about. Where's the swing arm Byron?
. But there's more money to be made with larger, slower, airplanes. That's it. That's the answer. All the other things (Valkyrie, the Soviets, etc.) those really are just coincidences.
They aren't coincidences, they were projects that got shelved for obvious problems. The Concorde flew for almost 30 years and most airframes would need to be replaced around that time anyway just due to metal fatigue.
It's too hard to keep an expensive project going, and too easy to cancel it. Nixon canceled the last few Apollo missions even though the hardware was ready to go. Why did he do it? Simple: he didn't get any credit for it. And as a politician with an ego, he wants credit! So instead, he set up Apollo/Soyuz - a publicity stunt with absolutely no further value!
Nixon canceled the last apollo missions because they didn't need to fake them any more.
After Apollo, the US has never managed to keep a manned program going for longer than one presidential era. Nova (larger version of Saturn V) - canceled. Venturestar - canceled. Ares - canceled.
We still have leftover Saturn 5 rockets, we could go back to the moon with 100% success rate! Why aren't we using those instead of building new rockets that keep blowing up?
The only successful manned program was the space shuttle and the only reason that got off the ground was that the military wanted it (they built a whole launch site at Vandenburg). If not for military support, the shuttle would have been canceled too, and then there would have been no manned space program since apollo. Think about that!
So what military use did the space shuttle have? Do you even know?
It's true that the technology doesn't exist anymore. Who'd know how to weave a core memory anymore?
I would recommend you go to the cosmosphere so you can see all the artifacts from the space age. You can see what a big pile of shit it all is in person. The amazing construction of an SR71 in comparison to the junk someone welded together of the space industry.

Funny enough:
The Cosmosphere built roughly 80% of the artifacts and props for the movie Apollo 13 and of the replicated spacecraft hardware seen in Magnificent Desolation: Walking on the Moon 3D; and the TV mini-series From the Earth to the Moon.
Why is it everywhere you go involving space, you find Hollywood?
 
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