Longshoremen Union Port Strike 2024 - NOOOOOO NOT MY HECKING BANANAS

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Longshoremen union's demand for total ban on automation questioned as port strike looms (archive)​


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As thousands of dockworkers are preparing to strike should a deal not be reached by the end of Monday, one business leader is questioning the union’s demand for a total ban on automation.

International Longshoremen's Association (ILA) on Sunday said its 85,000 members, along with "tens of thousands of dockworkers and maritime workers around the world," will hit the picket lines Tuesday "and strike at all Atlantic and Gulf Coast ports from Maine to Texas."

The union is demanding higher wages and a total ban on the automation at ports regarding cranes, gates and moving containers in the loading and unloading of freight.

Benchmark Capital's Bill Gurley reacted on social media to the union’s demands, writing that the federal government should step in if the union seeks a total ban on automation.

PORT EMPLOYERS MEET WITH BIDEN ADMINISTRATION AS POTENTIAL STRIKE LOOMS


"Outlawing the effective use of technology will unquestionably doom our nation," Gurley wrote. "We will become globally uncompetitive."

The ILA and United States Maritime Alliance (USMX), which represents employers at the 36 seaports that could be affected by the strike, have been at an impasse over issues including wages and automation at ports.

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The White House confirmed that administration officials have met with both parties and urged them to keep negotiating. (Qian Weizhong/VCG via Getty Images, File / Getty Images)

"United States Maritime Alliance (USMX) refuses to address a half-century of wage subjugation where Ocean Carriers profits skyrocketed from millions to mega-billion dollars, while ILA longshore wages remained flat," the ILA said Sunday.

A White House official on Friday confirmed to Fox Business that senior officials from the White House, Labor Department and Department of Transportation have met with the parties ahead of the potential strike, urging them to return to the table to negotiate "in good faith fairly and quickly."

A potential port strike would disrupt a variety of export and import shipments from East Coast and Gulf Coast ports.

An analysis by J.P. Morgan estimated a strike would cost the U.S. economy up to $5 billion per day.


What products would be disrupted by a port strike? (archive)​


A looming strike by roughly 45,000 unionized dockworkers at seaports on the East and Gulf coasts could begin next week and disrupt shipments of a variety of products as the presidential election approaches.

One-half of the seaborne imports to the U.S. are shipped through the 36 ports that would be impacted by a strike that may begin on Oct. 1. It would be the first strike by the International Longshoremen's Association (ILA), which represents the port workers, since 1977.

The union and the U.S. Maritime Alliance (USMX), which represents port employers, are at an impasse over wages in a new contract. As of Sunday, talks between the ILA and USMX appeared to be at a standstill, with each issuing statements about the impasse.

If the strike occurs next week, it would disrupt billions of dollars in imports ranging from cars and auto parts to agricultural commodities and consumer goods. The potential work stoppage comes as the U.S. election season heats up and Americans begin planning purchases for the upcoming holiday season.

US GROCERY STORES COULD BE WITHOUT POPULAR FRUIT WITHIN WEEKS AS 45,000 DOCKWORKERS THREATEN TO STRIKE

The ports that would be affected by the strike handled $37.8 billion in vehicle imports in the 12-month period through the end of June 2024, according to S&P Global Market Intelligence.

The Port of Baltimore leads the nation in car shipments, while auto parts are also a major import on the East Coast and Gulf of Mexico. Those ports also lead the U.S. in shipments of machinery, fabricated steel and precision instruments, according to S&P Global Market Intelligence data.

Agricultural products are also a significant import, as three-quarters of U.S. banana imports are from countries like Guatemala and Ecuador, Jason Miller, interim chair of Michigan State University's department of supply chains, told Reuters.

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Agricultural products are also a significant import, as three-quarters of U.S. banana imports are from countries like Guatemala and Ecuador. (Fabian Sommer/picture alliance via Getty Images / Getty Images)

There would also be an impact on the $18.5 billion U.S. beef and pork export industry and the $5.8 billion poultry and egg export sector that is shipped in refrigerated containers.

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Ranchers and farmers have begun culling their cattle herds due to drought and high costs in the region, threatening a potentially steep climb in prices for the country's supply of beef. (Brandon Bell/Getty Images / Getty Images)

Roughly 45% of all waterborne U.S. pork exports and 30% of beef exports were shipped via East Coast and Gulf Coast ports in the first seven months of this year, said U.S. Meat Export Federation spokesperson Joe Schuele.

In the pharmaceutical industry, over 91% of containerized imports and 69% of containerized exports of U.S. pharmaceutical products are handled by the affected ports, according to Everstream Analytics. More than 1-in-3 containers exported from the U.S. with life-saving medications leave from the Port of Norfolk in Virginia, while nearly 30% of containerized pharmaceutical imports enter the U.S. at the Port of Charleston in South Carolina, the firm noted.

Ports that would be affected by a strike bring in over half of the knitted and non-knitted apparel imported to the U.S., which is valued at $32.8 billion combined, as well as furniture valued at $23.4 billion, according to S&P Global Market Intelligence.

The White House previously signaled that President Biden wouldn't invoke the Taft-Hartley Act to impose a cooling-off period under which workers would go back to work for 80 days while negotiations continue.

"Since taking office, the Biden-Harris administration has developed a comprehensive whole-of-government approach to monitor and mitigate potential supply chain impacts, from severe weather to transport service interruptions to this spring's Key Bridge collapse in Baltimore," White House spokesperson Robyn Patterson told FOX Business.

"As part of this approach, we are monitoring and assessing potential ways to address impacts to U.S. supply chains related to operations at our ports, if necessary. That said, we continue to encourage the parties to continue negotiating towards an agreement that benefits all sides and prevents any disruption," Patterson added.


This one's potentially a big one. Considering how Biden/Harris wouldn't be able to just shrug this one off like the railworkers' strike that led to the East Palestine disaster, and considering how much of the plastic crap that we consume comes through ports from overseas, if this strike goes through on Tuesday even the most media-indoctrinated bugman is going to feel the effects. The request for a ban on automation is also a major factor here, since a big part of the Democrats' support comes from tech companies who believe they can automate anything with AI.

Fuck it up Joe!
 
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Holy fuck what a week. Hurricane devastation and now a critical infrastructure strike. Wowza! Joe must feel so good to not have to give even one fiddler's fuck about reelection or popularity or anything.
Must be pretty great to be Joe Biden. Every day you wake up everything's exciting and new, and you learn you're the one in charge of fixing it all.

Too bad for everyone that has to keep reminding him every day he's President of the United States of America at 9AM EST.
 
Crossposting from another thread about this.
The coming strike by the ILA workers will be the first by the union since 1977.
If a strike were deemed a danger to U.S. economic health, President Joe Biden could, under the 1947 Taft-Hartley Act, seek a court order for an 80-day cooling-off period. This would suspend the strike.
All eyes are on what, if any, action the adminstration might take — particularly just weeks ahead of a tight presidential election. But Biden has signaled that he will not exercise this power.
During an exchange with reporters on Sunday, Biden said “no” when asked if he planned to intervene in the potential work stoppage.

“Because it’s collective bargaining, I don’t believe in Taft-Hartley,” Biden said referring to a 1947 law that allows the president to intervene in labor disputes that threaten the nation’s health or safety.

Although East Palestine says otherwise, I believe his handlers see an opportunity to further crush states who are already suffering from Helene.
 
I don't think it would be a good look if those dock workers in Georgia and North/South Carolina were to deny food/medical aid to the Hurricane victims.
Distribution warehouse have enough food stockpiled to cover the immediate term. If the strike goes longer than one week is when we will see some empty shelves.
Higher wage is usually justified but no automation is complete BS
The "issue" is that automation isn't really possible at a scale large enough for the US.

There are a handful of ports that are automating but the largest ones LA / LB, and NYC are in areas that cannot be expanded nor automated without serious effects on the economy.

The challenge is that the equipment is so old (20 to 30 years) that it would probably be faster to bring in new cranes and other stuff than trying to retrofit everything. But that takes time and the dock workers would help unload a crane to take their jobs.

Even if you hired enough scabs to do their labor, retrofitting a port take a few months at least (if everything and everyone is ready to go). But the moment you try to automate one port, the whole union strikes and the economy is fucked.

Alternatives such as using Mexico or Panama have challenges of their own as Mexico has habits of election socialists / corrupt officials while Panama is union controlled as well.

Their are two methods to approach this challenge, one is a very gradual automation around 2060. The other is to offer cash buy outs to union members.
 
since the original article didn't mention it, here's one of the main demands by the workers in addition to banning ports from implementing any and all automation

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Union workers at ports in the East and Gulf coasts earn a base wage of $39 an hour after six years on the job compared to reports that West Coast union workers, which make $54.85 an hour.

The International Longshoremen's Association is demanding a 77% pay raise increase over six years and more restrictions and bans on the automation of cranes, gates and container movements used in loading or unloading of cargo.

According to news sources, USMX responded with an offer of 40% in wage increases, but the union rejected it, calling the counter “a joke.”
union scum already making the median household income of ~$80K and turning up their noses at only getting a raise that would put them at a measly ~$112K instead of the ~$143K they want

i hope they all get replaced with machines
 
Distribution warehouse have enough food stockpiled to cover the immediate term. If the strike goes longer than one week is when we will see some empty shelves.

The "issue" is that automation isn't really possible at a scale large enough for the US.

There are a handful of ports that are automating but the largest ones LA / LB, and NYC are in areas that cannot be expanded nor automated without serious effects on the economy.

The challenge is that the equipment is so old (20 to 30 years) that it would probably be faster to bring in new cranes and other stuff than trying to retrofit everything. But that takes time and the dock workers would help unload a crane to take their jobs.

Even if you hired enough scabs to do their labor, retrofitting a port take a few months at least (if everything and everyone is ready to go). But the moment you try to automate one port, the whole union strikes and the economy is fucked.

Alternatives such as using Mexico or Panama have challenges of their own as Mexico has habits of election socialists / corrupt officials while Panama is union controlled as well.

Their are two methods to approach this challenge, one is a very gradual automation around 2060. The other is to offer cash buy outs to union members.
We mainly update as new machines are needed or major rebuilds happen in the industry. Now, I have not had to try automating a dock, and my only experience is large-scale manufacturing. They are not the same, but they have some similarities: a lot of manual labor, custom needs, and so on.

Take some 20-year-old crane that practically runs on steam and whale oil and try to retrofit it; that is a fool's errand, what we tend to do. It is to point out minimums for the new equipment when the old one breaks down, and then we switch them and start automation after we have hit a critical mass of new equipment. Stand in, the way of that is unfeasible.
 
union scum already making the median household income of ~$80K and turning up their noses at only getting a raise that would put them at a measly ~$112K instead of the ~$143K they want

i hope they all get replaced with machines
Why not join them? Putting the screws to employers after all the rightful wages they've stolen from American workers to enrich themselves over the past 50 years is absolutely spectacular. I wouldn't back down either.
 
Why not join them? Putting the screws to employers after all the rightful wages they've stolen from American workers to enrich themselves over the past 50 years is absolutely spectacular. I wouldn't back down either.
Personally, I am in agreement with the union. Many of these shipping companies are foreign owned, China, Korea, Germany, Israel. All that money they make for moving freight goes to their countries.

Fuck that. We should have a larger share go towards our citizens so they can spend it helping our local economy.
 
Why not join them? Putting the screws to employers after all the rightful wages they've stolen from American workers to enrich themselves over the past 50 years is absolutely spectacular. I wouldn't back down either.
every personal interaction i've had with unions has been them slowing down non-union work to make sure they have enough busy work for the gilded few that have clawed their way into getting paid inflated wages for work any halfwit off the street could figure out given a few weeks of training

enriching the average working man's life should include all able-bodied men that are working their ass off, not just union thugs that hold the nation hostage to make almost double the median wage and actively prevent businesses from modernizing like we see here
 
every personal interaction i've had with unions has been them slowing down non-union work to make sure they have enough busy work for the gilded few that have clawed their way into getting paid inflated wages for work any halfwit off the street could figure out given a few weeks of training
Don't get me wrong, I 100% agree there are issues with the unions as they exist at present and strongly oppose government worker unions. We need aggressive, massive expansion in unionization of all workers and many new, competitor unions to ensure their leaders are held accountable.

Just like the market between companies, the market between unions needs diversity of choice and competition. Otherwise you get the "trade unions" of the Soviet Union that did nothing for their employees but enforce the government and party line.

enriching the average working man's life should include all able-bodied men that are working their ass off, not just union thugs that hold the nation hostage to make almost double the median wage and actively prevent businesses from modernizing like we see here
How are they going to enrich themselves if they're replaced by machines? The Luddites were absolutely right, automation and mechanization created the hellish factories of the Industrial Revolution. Considering we have no protections against offshoring this work, the next step will be to replace Americans with cheap guest workers.

It was only the labor movement and allied social movements that brought an end to children being ground into pieces by machinery and men and women worked so hard they were invalids by their 40s. We are in charge and can change things if we want.
 
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