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I mean when you have an entire Mandolorian "homeworld". Mandolorian Supercommandos as wandering bands of Ronin/Landsknecht would work, but an entire planet of "warriors" just doesn't make sense the more you dig into it.
I believe they were originally a farming society that developed strong warrior caste when they started skirmishing with other species. Even the name Fett, originally "vhett" is Mando word for "farmer"

I still have to read the Thrawn trilogy. I've been putting it off for a long time since its one of those trilogies I want to be one of my final joys about this dead goliath IP. I'm not expecting it to blow my socks off but I am expecting a solid story that blows what the hack Dave Filoni has done.
Bantam era gets a little repetitive as it goes on but most of it are good comfort reads.

Another issue besides Disney's retardation is the general problem sci-fi has with scale.
Star Wars is more like a fairy tale with sci-fi elements than actual sci-fi.
 
It's so retarded so much of the show is spent around the culture and it being some retarded religious sect.
Mandalorians suffer from people having very different ideas about what they are that don't really fit very well with each other. Going in rough publishing order:
  1. WEG (GCW): Mandalorians are what Boba Fett is, they have ridiculously good armour with tonnes of gadgets and tend to be bounty hunters.
  2. Tales of the Jedi (Old Republic): Mandalorians are space barbarians who Exar Kun recruited to attack the Republic.
  3. Open Seasons (PT): Mandalorians are divided into professional mercenaries and marauding bandits who are in conflict with each other.
  4. KotOR (Old Republic): Mandalorians are a professional army of space barbarians who invaded the Republic because they wanted another go without being tethered to a Sith.
  5. Traviss' Work (PT through post-NJO): Mandalorians are a proud warrior culture who, whilst still predominantly mercenaries, do have their own stuff going on beyond just being the Sea Space People.
  6. TCW (PT): Mandalorians are a bunch of enlightened peaceniks who hate conflict and want peace, but also there's an incredibly popular movement that want to return to being marauding bandits for some reason.
  7. Rebels (early GCW): Mandalorians are a proud warrior culture who now serve the Empire.
  8. The Mandalorian (post-GCW): Mandalorians are the Jewish diaspora whilst also still being a proud warrior culture who have a penchant for mercenary work, later revealed that the normal proud warrior culture guys are still around also being mercenaries.
Even the name Fett, originally "vhett" is Mando word for "farmer"
So Boba Fett just means Bob Famer in Mando'a? Should have given Prowse the voice role, west country Fett would have been ridiculous.
 
TCW (PT): Mandalorians are a bunch of enlightened peaceniks who hate conflict and want peace, but also there's an incredibly popular movement that want to return to being marauding bandits for some reason.
This era is what broke Mandalorians for me and it is Lucas's fault since Filoni wasn't in total control at the time. The only way to explain it in the context of those episodes is that people grew disgusted by Satine's Enlightened Centrism about the Clone Wars, so more people joined Death Watch every time they saw Satine's bodyguards get completely bodied. Then when Maul pulled a Summer of Love and killed Satine, the normie robe-wearing Mandos had to join Death Watch whether they wanted to or not because Death Watch were optically the only ones that upheld the law. While the show wants us to see Satine's fall as an unjust tragedy, the events presented show her to be a weak and ineffectual leader that lost her legitimacy by failing to stop Death Watch decisively. Thus, her fall and death are morally neutral as a head of state. The greatest crime for the duchess is to lose her power.

It's not fun to think of TCW Mandalorians in this way because it's such a stretch of imagination compared to other depictions. Filoni Mandos suffer from being dumb and have even dumber rules, but they aren't uncharacteristic like Lucas's TCW Mandos.
 
Another issue besides Disney's retardation is the general problem sci-fi has with scale. If you watch some Isaac Arthur videos on youtube and you'll realize that 25,000 Star Destroyers makes more sense as a system defense force, not a galaxy spanning fleet.
The Imperial fleet had over a million ships and even then, they didn't have enough ships to thoroughly patrol the whole Empire. With the overwhelming majority of them being significantly smaller than, the Imperial star destroyer. As is being smaller than the Strike Cruiser which is on the longer end of the scale and ships around the size of the Millennium Falcon on the other end.
Picture of a Strike Cruiser unded an Imperial star destroyer.
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EU lore question for a second, anyone know when the shield generator were described and how and where they're placed on planets like Coruscant and Alderaan?
I think that was covered in X-Wing: Wedge's Gamble, but its been a couple of years since I read it, so I can't remember how much detail they put into that.

This era is what broke Mandalorians for me and it is Lucas's fault since Filoni wasn't in total control at the time. The only way to explain it in the context of those episodes is that people grew disgusted by Satine's Enlightened Centrism about the Clone Wars, so more people joined Death Watch every time they saw Satine's bodyguards get completely bodied. Then when Maul pulled a Summer of Love and killed Satine, the normie robe-wearing Mandos had to join Death Watch whether they wanted to or not because Death Watch were optically the only ones that upheld the law. While the show wants us to see Satine's fall as an unjust tragedy, the events presented show her to be a weak and ineffectual leader that lost her legitimacy by failing to stop Death Watch decisively. Thus, her fall and death are morally neutral as a head of state. The greatest crime for the duchess is to lose her power.

It's not fun to think of TCW Mandalorians in this way because it's such a stretch of imagination compared to other depictions. Filoni Mandos suffer from being dumb and have even dumber rules, but they aren't uncharacteristic like Lucas's TCW Mandos.
Back when I was a kid and watching TCW, it seemed to me that in every episode Satine appeared in, someone in her government always ended up betraying her, which I thought was kind of an unintentional indictment of her rule.
 
This era is what broke Mandalorians for me and it is Lucas's fault since Filoni wasn't in total control at the time. The only way to explain it in the context of those episodes is that people grew disgusted by Satine's Enlightened Centrism about the Clone Wars, so more people joined Death Watch every time they saw Satine's bodyguards get completely bodied. Then when Maul pulled a Summer of Love and killed Satine, the normie robe-wearing Mandos had to join Death Watch whether they wanted to or not because Death Watch were optically the only ones that upheld the law. While the show wants us to see Satine's fall as an unjust tragedy, the events presented show her to be a weak and ineffectual leader that lost her legitimacy by failing to stop Death Watch decisively. Thus, her fall and death are morally neutral as a head of state. The greatest crime for the duchess is to lose her power.

It's not fun to think of TCW Mandalorians in this way because it's such a stretch of imagination compared to other depictions. Filoni Mandos suffer from being dumb and have even dumber rules, but they aren't uncharacteristic like Lucas's TCW Mandos.

Dont get me started on the clones who are also technically Mandalorian. They may have been the predecessors of the stormtroopers, but they gave them the fear behind the name and were not always this near sighted and retarded under George's direction. Where they would walk up to melee combatants while hardscoping like its a match of team deathmatch in COD mixed with 1800's firing lines instead of gunning them down at range and from behind cover like they would pre-ROTS. Which was the whole selling point of the clones. They were smart and could outplay the droids with creative military tactics.

Its better to think of the Mandalorians as a people who changed over time. Its believable that the mandos are not the same as they were thousands of years ago during Revan's time and have gradually assimilated into the larger galaxy since then, but George never cared to fill in what they were during the prequel trilogy beyond "Jango Fett is Boba's Dad" and vaguely implying they were a nearly extinct race by the time of GCW because either it was a mando civil war, the jedi were tricked into fighting them again under the republic, or the Empire wiped them out on Concord Dawn, which somewhat replaced Mandalore for some reason as the de facto mandalorian capital world. They were also hiding out in death watch bunkers on Endor in SWG and were about as rare as Jedi in the original trilogy.

The appearance of the planet Mandalore is also inconsistent and never once mentioned in KOTOR as an oversight. Its either a jungle world that rivals Dxun, a psuedo coruscant with a bustling "mandal hypernautics corporation" making starships that rival the imperial navy in Empire at war, which George also had to OK alongside Tyber Zann in the GCW era, or its also a desert planet that got nuked somehow on a level to rival Telos IV in TCW? Did he just forget about that?
 
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which George also had to OK alongside Tyber Zann in the GCW era, or its also a desert planet that got nuked somehow on a level to rival Telos IV in TCW? Did he just forget about that?
Probably or he memory holed it.
I remember years ago reading an interview that said George liked KOTOR so much he considered it canon for sure. This was of course long before he turned around and claimed "Legends was never canon guys." but of course I can't find any evidence of it now.
 
Crossposting but this is an insanely horrible number if it's true.

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Imagine going back in time and telling yourself that a huge AAA Star Wars game would be struggling to hit 1M.

This franchise is utterly dead.
Imagine going back and telling people that they'd learn to appreciate what they had with the prequel trilogy and they'd yearn for that level of quality in less than two decades.
 
This era is what broke Mandalorians for me and it is Lucas's fault since Filoni wasn't in total control at the time. The only way to explain it in the context of those episodes is that people grew disgusted by Satine's Enlightened Centrism about the Clone Wars, so more people joined Death Watch every time they saw Satine's bodyguards get completely bodied. Then when Maul pulled a Summer of Love and killed Satine, the normie robe-wearing Mandos had to join Death Watch whether they wanted to or not because Death Watch were optically the only ones that upheld the law. While the show wants us to see Satine's fall as an unjust tragedy, the events presented show her to be a weak and ineffectual leader that lost her legitimacy by failing to stop Death Watch decisively. Thus, her fall and death are morally neutral as a head of state. The greatest crime for the duchess is to lose her power.

It's not fun to think of TCW Mandalorians in this way because it's such a stretch of imagination compared to other depictions. Filoni Mandos suffer from being dumb and have even dumber rules, but they aren't uncharacteristic like Lucas's TCW Mandos.
This chad was the only likeable Mando in TCW other then Pre Visla. Almec was the only one with any common sense. Maul was a much better ruler for Mandolare then they ever deserved.

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Probably or he memory holed it.
I remember years ago reading an interview that said George liked KOTOR so much he considered it canon for sure. This was of course long before he turned around and claimed "Legends was never canon guys." but of course I can't find any evidence of it now.
I always got the sense from George that he never really cared about what is and isn't canon. That's why I'm always confused about the fights over if he considered it canon or not- did he really care about it in the first place?
 
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I always got the sense from George that he never really cared about what is and isn't canon. That's why I'm always confused about the fights over if he considered it canon or not- did he really care about it in the first place?
I don't care if he considers it canon either. I'm just bringing it up to showcase his flip flopping nature.
 
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Imagine going back and telling people that they'd learn to appreciate what they had with the prequel trilogy and they'd yearn for that level of quality in less than two decades.
I'll repeat it again: the prequels were good - not great, good - movies with very flawed execution of the story telling. When you haven't been unwarrantedly hyped by the entire media landscape to expect life-altering cinema, even Jar-Jar isn't all that bad.

I always got the sense from George that he never really cared about what is and isn't canon. That's why I'm always confused about the fights over if he considered it canon or not- did he really care about it in the first place?
It all lived in his head, and he did have some very clear ideas about things. I think he just cared less about the specifics of what EU authors got upto because he could always just say "That didn't happen" since it was his property.
He also didn't get hung up in minutiae, but once he started to lock things down he definitely had a very clear vision on how things went even if he'd waffle on some of the specifics.

The Mandoverse has wasted Temura Morrison
Not really. Dude was fucking 60 in the Book of Blobba Fat. which don't get me wrong dude looks pretty darn good for 60, but he just very clearly could not keep up with an action TV show. He does not look like a grizzled bounty under in his 30s to 40s should look like. they needed to get someone younger in the suit and for him to not take off his fucking helmet.

Crossposting but this is an insanely horrible number if it's true.

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Imagine going back in time and telling yourself that a huge AAA Star Wars game would be struggling to hit 1M.

This franchise is utterly dead.
All I'm seeing is there are still over a million cucked out abused ex-wives out there
 
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Not really. Dude was fucking 60 in the Book of Blobba Fat. which don't get me wrong dude looks pretty darn good for 60, but he just very clearly could not keep up with an action TV show. He does not look like a grizzled bounty under in his 30s to 40s should look like. they needed to get someone younger in the suit and for him to not take off his fucking helmet.
That's a whole lot of brand confusion--that the show itself insisted upon--seeing as how Mandalorian show exists.
 
Not really. Dude was fucking 60 in the Book of Blobba Fat. which don't get me wrong dude looks pretty darn good for 60, but he just very clearly could not keep up with an action TV show. He does not look like a grizzled bounty under in his 30s to 40s should look like. they needed to get someone younger in the suit and for him to not take off his fucking helmet.
Niggercattle have gotta judge fictional characters with their lookism these days. Helmeted characters are treated like they're wearing a paper bag to hide their ugliness. It was blatantly apparent when that faggot bill burr kept pestering that silver armored Mandalorian to take his helmet off. Western media isn't anime. Hair gel and friendship isn't gonna stop a sniper from domeing you like a helmet will.

An actual Mandalorian would have punched him in the throat or at least told him to fuck off and that would have been the end of it.
 
This era is what broke Mandalorians for me and it is Lucas's fault since Filoni wasn't in total control at the time. The only way to explain it in the context of those episodes is that people grew disgusted by Satine's Enlightened Centrism about the Clone Wars, so more people joined Death Watch every time they saw Satine's bodyguards get completely bodied. Then when Maul pulled a Summer of Love and killed Satine, the normie robe-wearing Mandos had to join Death Watch whether they wanted to or not because Death Watch were optically the only ones that upheld the law. While the show wants us to see Satine's fall as an unjust tragedy, the events presented show her to be a weak and ineffectual leader that lost her legitimacy by failing to stop Death Watch decisively. Thus, her fall and death are morally neutral as a head of state. The greatest crime for the duchess is to lose her power.

It's not fun to think of TCW Mandalorians in this way because it's such a stretch of imagination compared to other depictions. Filoni Mandos suffer from being dumb and have even dumber rules, but they aren't uncharacteristic like Lucas's TCW Mandos.
Maul didn't pull off a Summer of Love. He legally challenged the ruler and won. It's the Mando equivalent of winning an election. He's their legitimate ruler whether they like it or not. Bo-Katan's rebellion was the equivalent of all those "not my president" riots following Trump's victory in 2016.

As for the peacenik Mandos, that's entirely Lucas' doing. He and that old guard of hippies revere figures like Mahatma Ghandi and MLK Jr., they see pacifists as the highest form of morality; just look at Padme from the Prequels. I always found that a bit stupid, since pacifists like Ghandi wanted us to surrender to the Nazis in WW2.

Note that the more control Filoni had, the more the Pacifist Mandos waned, until by the time of Rebels, the "good" Mandos are warriors, and nobody gives a damn about pacifism anymore. The Filoniverse Mandalorian show has practically no mention of Mandalorian pacifism.
 
I'll repeat it again: the prequels were good - not great, good - movies with very flawed execution of the story telling. When you haven't been unwarrantedly hyped by the entire media landscape to expect life-altering cinema, even Jar-Jar isn't all that bad.
Lucas really needed someone to tell him "George, this is a bad idea because of X, but I get what you're trying to do. Let's try Y instead" when he was writing the prequels. Unfortunately, Rick McCallum was not that man, not that it was his job anyway. As producer, his job was to do the behind the scenes stuff to make sure the movie could be made, not to hold Lucas' hand through the writing process. And based on everything I've read, anyone at Lucasfilms who tried to so stuff like saying "please tone down the slapstick of Jar Jar" or say "make R2 and 3PO be together right from the beginning of the movie instead of Anakin making him" was shown the door, rapidly.

For good or bad, from ANH on, Lucas always had to bounce his ideas off someone, but by the time TPM rolled around he no longer felt he needed that. The core of the prequels is great, but he really needed someone who could say "no" but didn't. I don't know if it was an ego thing, or if George really doesn't play well with others, or if he just has trust issues when it comes to his movies, or whatever.

That said, I do enjoy the PT and see it as one long six part story. Yeah, there are some clunky scenes and bad dialog and phoned in acting, but that stuff is in the PT as well.
 
Lucas really needed someone to tell him "George, this is a bad idea because of X, but I get what you're trying to do. Let's try Y instead" when he was writing the prequels. Unfortunately, Rick McCallum was not that man, not that it was his job anyway. As producer, his job was to do the behind the scenes stuff to make sure the movie could be made, not to hold Lucas' hand through the writing process. And based on everything I've read, anyone at Lucasfilms who tried to so stuff like saying "please tone down the slapstick of Jar Jar" or say "make R2 and 3PO be together right from the beginning of the movie instead of Anakin making him" was shown the door, rapidly.

For good or bad, from ANH on, Lucas always had to bounce his ideas off someone, but by the time TPM rolled around he no longer felt he needed that. The core of the prequels is great, but he really needed someone who could say "no" but didn't. I don't know if it was an ego thing, or if George really doesn't play well with others, or if he just has trust issues when it comes to his movies, or whatever.

That said, I do enjoy the PT and see it as one long six part story. Yeah, there are some clunky scenes and bad dialog and phoned in acting, but that stuff is in the PT as well.
When doing writing in a professional setting, I find that collaborative, peer systems tends to result in something stronger than just one guy doing it all and it then being edited or mandated writing from an employer. Even just two people prevents the extremes of one to go to far.
 
I don't know if it was an ego thing, or if George really doesn't play well with others, or if he just has trust issues when it comes to his movies, or whatever.
Considering what happened with David Prowse I wouldn't be surprised if it was a trust thing actually.

For those not in the know apparently Prowse would constantly spoil things about Star Wars before the movies came out? Though because the media is the media I cannot verify the authenticity or even the severity of these claims since the media is the media and you know how they like to exaggerate everything but it eventually led to George giving everyone edited scripts for ESB where only he and Mark Hamill knew what the real twist was. Basically the fake script said Vader claimed Obi-Wan killed Luke's father and the entire twist about Vader being his dad was left out. All of this to catch Prowse leaking shit I guess? But yeah, if the claims are true I wouldn't be surprised if he had trust issues behind the scenes.
 
When doing writing in a professional setting, I find that collaborative, peer systems tends to result in something stronger than just one guy doing it all and it then being edited or mandated writing from an employer. Even just two people prevents the extremes of one to go to far.
It's a balance between the drives and ideas of one writer, which can result in horrendous clownery; and the input and suggestions of a team, which can lead to really tepid and stupid clownshit due to design by committee. You also do need to be hired more for talent or merit rather than "to take space" or "we need one of you to make the sheet look good".

You need to hit a sweet spot when it comes to that number of people IMO. Also, honestly having a couple of people who have some different ideas from your own helps significantly. And again, it's important to hire no retards, or malicious retards. Rat Wars is where it's at because you have way too many team members who all agree on how dead lame and gay the IP should be since they are all malicious retards.
 
Rat Wars is where it's at because you have way too many team members who all agree on how dead lame and gay the IP should be since they are all malicious retards.
I would also say that Rat Wars is weakened from the fact that it isn't collaborative, but rather either dictatorial or just chaotic, where competing writers have no idea what anyone else is doing. Something something anarcho-tyrrany.
 
But there's a difference between unfunny writers' room types trying to make a joke that doesn't land and someone saying "George, I get that it's a kid's movie at heart, but Jar Jar is not 3 Stooges slapstick for kids, he's just going to push everyone away. Make him a buffoon and clumsy comic relief but most importantly able to bring the Naboo and Gungans together, or lose him as the comic relief since you already have that in R2 and 3PO, but either way lose the stepping in poop and getting farted on gags. They just aren't funny" and having George respect that person enough as a writer to go "oh, okay, he has a point."
 
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