US US Politics General - Discussion of President Biden and other politicians

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

Is the Carter Estate trying to get his Life Insurance refunded?

Former Presidents get lifetime Secret Service protection. Imagine being those guys for the past year, checking your watch every 5 minutes.

 

[Some Dumb Faggot]

See, you just repeated the policy. I asked you how to realistically accomplish that policy. They are not the same thing.

If you want another swing at my question I'm all ears because it'd be the first time I've heard someone lay out how to accomplish any policy that will actually fix the U.S., and by accomplish I do mean actually getting it in motion not the plan/policy itself.

This is what is partly standing in the way of accomplishing that policy. See what I mean now?

Well to actually accomplish it you'd need Politicians who would actually be willing to work with each other and make plans long-term. Not really realistic but it could be done so I'll take those rainbows.

 

[WelperHelper99]

See, you just repeated the policy. I asked you how to realistically accomplish that policy. They are not the same thing.

If you want another swing at my question I'm all ears because it'd be the first time I've heard someone lay out how to accomplish any policy that will actually fix the U.S., and by accomplish I do mean actually getting it in motion not the plan/policy itself.

Edit: This is the difference between planning a house's blueprint, and making a plan to accomplish building a house.

This is what is partly standing in the way of accomplishing that policy. See what I mean now?

This is the boomer policy that never works btw. You need to get industry to come back and wages to rise. Only once everyone has good jobs in America by Americans, then you can start the grind to deflation, because everyone has cash and is making cash like no tomorrow. They can take the crash.

 

[pro drivor]

You cut spending like I just said until the US isn't running a defecit which would involve cutting programs and performing Federal layoffs. The Fed Reserve already plans on cutting social security by 20% in 2030 when it becomes insolvent for example. The solution IS out there no one wants to do it because it would require the US to go through a recession and it's easier for the Government to continue to overspend.

why do you guys always want to cut programs and social security instead of removing the massive military bloat with contractors upon contractors upon contractors

 

[WelperHelper99]

why do you guys always want to cut programs and social security instead of removing the massive military bloat with contractors upon contractors upon contractors

They aren't the issue and actually make jobs. They barely make a dent on the budget. Welfare is the anchor.

 

[Jelq Cloaca]

You can't convince me to stop hating journalists.
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With analysis like that, who are our panelists?

Ben Davis works in political data in Washington, DC. He worked on the data team for the Bernie Sanders 2020 campaign and is an active member of the Democratic Socialists of America.

Surely there was only one socialist, right?

Bhaskar Sunkara is the president of the Nation, founding editor of Jacobin and author of The Socialist Manifesto: The Case for Radical Politics in an Era of Extreme Inequalities.

Oh. Well it's just commies then?

Arwa Mahdawi is a London-born, New York-based writer, speaker, and business consultant. Arwa writes a weekly column for the Guardian covering everything from politics to pop culture. She is also the creator of the viral website Rent-A-Minority, which is an 'Uber for diversity.'

Okay, I know this one, she just hates everything about Isreal.

LaTosha Brown is the co-founder of Black Voters Matter.

Of course there's a token nigger.

 

[LurkTrawl]

Well to actually accomplish it you'd need Politicians who would actually be willing to work each other and make plans long-term. Not really realistic but it could be done so I'll take those rainbows.

Yeah, that's kind of where people see the real fucking problem. That's where people end up becoming accelerationists and such. I'm not one and don't identify as one, fyi, even if I think it's an understandable position for someone to take up nowadays.

This is the boomer policy that never works btw. You need to get industry to come back and wages to rise. Only once everyone has good jobs in America by Americans, then you can start the grind to deflation, because everyone has cash and is making cash like no tomorrow. They can take the crash.

It's all well and good to have a blueprint for a house. But you have to have a plan to build the house. I have yet to hear a realistic way to start building some good fucking housing in America, to stretch the metaphor. Until someone can somehow give a concrete plan that has a realistic chance of coming to fruition people like the guy on the accelerationist side of that argument aren't going to want to hear about policy - they know already.

I say this because people talking past each other pisses me off and I figured I'd attempt to explain why such people exist and are stubborn. Explain to them how to accomplish, realistically good policy that has sound logic as to why it'd fix the U.S. and there'd be no argument other than those from stubbornness/partisanship/willful ignorance left.

 

[derpherp2]

They aren't the issue and actually make jobs. They barely make a dent on the budget. Welfare is the anchor.

You know that's the same logic that keeps Renewable Energy funded right.

Like I get it MUH 200K, but can you really say our MIC isn't just as bloated out the ass in redundant bullshit at this point like clothes designers and tailors?
I'd ask my tailor to make a point, but he's busy being the General of our Military apparently.

 

[pro drivor]

They aren't the issue and actually make jobs. They barely make a dent on the budget. Welfare is the anchor.

lemme reword it-not getting rid of it, but tackling the bloat attached to it. an example is boeing, with the whistleblowers and the problems they brought to public attention

 

[Some Dumb Faggot]

why do you guys always want to cut programs and social security instead of removing the massive military bloat with contractors upon contractors upon contractors

Because those programs make up most of the National Debt and a large portion of it is wasted on deadbeats unwilling to work like the illegals. The military is also bloated but apparently the budgeting for it is extremely complex. In general the US spends too much money but that's obvious.

 

[FILTH Tourist]

If he's so unpopular then how did he win in 2016 and then not only get over 11.2 million more votes in 2020 than he did in 2016 but got the most votes in US history... except for Joe Biden, allegedly?

The official answer is that mail in ballots and extra free time made 2020 the most accessible election in US history so more people got to vote. And because people were so frustrated with orange man everyone both R and D were motivated to vote for Biden out of spite.

The real answer is that they were printing the ballots as they needed them to win without going over 100% total registered voters (IIRC didn't we get 110% in some places?)

Corpses are the most important Democrat demographic.

With how the Dems pissed off the Train Engineer, Long Shoreman, and Teamster unions I think the Necromancer Union might be next. The dead might vote for Trump as a false flag for election fraud to keep Kamala in power.

 

[0713]

Anyone else thought of watching this, today?


Just from that intro, I can already tell it's gonna fuck me up.

 

[WelperHelper99]

It's all well and good to have a blueprint for a house. But you have to have a plan to build the house. I have yet to hear a realistic way to start building some good fucking housing in America, to stretch the metaphor. Until someone can somehow give a concrete plan that has a realistic chance of coming to fruition people like the guy on the accelerationist side of that argument aren't going to want to hear about policy - they know already.

I say this because people talking past each other pisses me off and I figured I'd attempt to explain why such people exist and are stubborn. Explain to them how to accomplish, realistically good policy that has sound logic as to why it'd fix the U.S. and there'd be no argument other than those from stubbornness/partisanship/willful ignorance left.

Being real it would take a decade of controlled detonations for lack of a better term. You would need everyone to start making money at good jobs. That means heavy investment in industry. Inflation. Once that happens and the cash is flowing, you can start deflation. This will be the big crunch. As long as you use the government to keep the companies from leaving, you can get rid of the excess money and return to balance. Everyone keeps their jobs, debt cleared, inflation down. The problem is you need unity to pull it off.

 

[Breadbassket]

Addressing bloated government spending is a task that can be as pleasant as pulling teeth. People effected by cuts toward something will be vocal about it, especially if it is done all at once. It is more politically expedient for legislators, especially ones who care about getting re-elected, to let the system naturally run its course and crash and burn at some point in the future.

Maybe this situation could be addressed by surgical cuts toward some areas of spending over time but even that isn't a guaranteed fix in the long-term since the people in charge of the government and its desires can change. This was the case for the "balanced budgets" of the late 1990s and how little they mattered in the grand scheme of things.

 

[LurkTrawl]

The problem is you need unity to pull it off.

Define "unity" for me if you would, as you mean it here. The more detailed and granular the better.

I know it's probably a bit annoying but this kind of gets to something important. I'm not disagreeing or agreeing with your take on the what. I'm interested in the how.

 

[The Last Stand]

It's all well and good to have a blueprint for a house. But you have to have a plan to build the house. I have yet to hear a realistic way to start building some good fucking housing in America, to stretch the metaphor. Until someone can somehow give a concrete plan that has a realistic chance of coming to fruition people like the guy on the accelerationist side of that argument aren't going to want to hear about policy - they know already.

I have CONCEPTS of a plan to build a house.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

Unfortunately, this is normal for hospice care. There is no such thing as dying peacefully of old age. Your body slowly shuts down and the only mercy doctors can give you is to shut down your nervous system as well.

I mean the Carter Estate is artificially extending his life past 100 (think it went up to 120) so that his insurance company has to refund him for all the money he paid into it.

 

[Woe-B-Gon (TM)]

Dear heavens, lose the cap and I'd think it's a picture of my father the last time I saw him alive - or the one time I saw him after that. I know Carter's got a better grade of medical "care" (I hesitate to use a word with positive implications when you're obviously just prolonging something terrible) but.... Look, there's a point where you just know it's time to call the funeral home and make the arrangements.

 

[WelperHelper99]

lemme reword it-not getting rid of it, but tackling the bloat attached to it. an example is boeing, with the whistleblowers and the problems they brought to public attention

Get them making money again and they will boost the economy to the moon.

Define "unity" for me if you would, as you mean it here. The more detailed and granular the better.

I know it's probably a bit annoying but this kind of gets to something important. I'm not disagreeing or agreeing with your take on the what. Just the how.

3 republican terms with most of the time a majority in house and senate. You would need reverse FDR to do this, just instead of communism, it's capitalism.

 

[AnotherPleb]

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/10/watch-jimmy-carter-wheeled-outside-shocking-condition-celebrate/

Dude looks like Harris personally paid him a visit to secure his vote.