Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

I might be in the minority, but I could never consider the cgi clone wars show as canon. It introduced too many kiddish elements and stories. nb4 kids movies, the 2003 cartoon Clone Wars was for kids while still being somewhat serious.

I consider Filoni Wars to be Republic propaganda, spinning war crimes like false surrender and the dubious legal standing of Clone Troopers as good things.

 

[Screamer_2]

I might be in the minority, but I could never consider the cgi clone wars show as canon. It introduced too many kiddish elements and stories. nb4 kids movies, the 2003 cartoon Clone Wars was for kids while still being somewhat serious.

Which then becomes an issue when they start to bring this stuff into the live action. Is this stuff that the general public even considers as falling within the realm of Star Wars? Or believable in Star Wars?

Watching Ashoka. I don't really know what the Night Sisters are but I think it still fell into the realm of acceptable. The galactic hyperspace whales were a bit of a stretch for me.

Watching the Acolyte, those space witches were not at all recognisable to me as falling within Star Wars. I don't even quite know how that framing works, because there's so much crazy shit that can fall under Star Wars. They just didn't read as Star Wars. Neither did Lizzo and Jack Black.

Speaking of the Acolyte remember how the lightsabers would spark when hitting? They ripped that off from a Corridor Digital short. I bring that up with out comment, but to just give a sense of the state of Luscasfilms output when they are now copying YouTubers for inspiration.

 

[Bob Barbas]

I consider Filoni Wars to be Republic propaganda, spinning war crimes like false surrender and the dubious legal standing of Clone Troopers as good things.

It would explain why they made Grievous a completely ineffectual oaf too.

I like how George creates this really kickass cyborg design and then tells the guys making the 2003 show they can do whatever they want. Then they make him this jedi murdering badass and then Lucas goes "No no no, he's too similar to Vader! He's supposed to be a moron!" and has no idea what he threw away.

Actually, while we're sperging about this too nobody ever talks about how they ruined Dooku either. In Legends Dooku was a much more interesting and grey character where while his goals were noble the way he sought them was wrong. Qui-Gon's death is what originally made him leave the Jedi order and call them all faggots because he tried to convince them that bad shit was coming and they had to prepare and they just ignored him.
He also had a lot more "honor" and was in general just more of a gentlemen. Like sure he was still a bad guy but he had principles.

I don't even know what his motivation in Disney canon is anymore but we already know he left BEFORE Qui-Gon died this time so we know it wasn't that, that made him leave. And the Clone Wars series basically completely stripped him of character and made him another stereotypical mustache twirling villain.

I said this before but I think Lucas is just allergic to writing grey characters or grey morality in general. You're either good guy or bad guy, end of discussion and it feels like the people in charge of Star Wars now are intentionally trying to emulate his style not understanding how retarded it is.
I'll say it yet again but there's a reason why all of the best Legends content was written without George being directly involved other than to give his stamp.
And the original trilogy was good because Lucas actually gave a shit to listen when his crew told him something was a bad idea.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

I might be in the minority, but I could never consider the cgi clone wars show as canon. It introduced too many kiddish elements and stories. nb4 kids movies, the 2003 cartoon Clone Wars was for kids while still being somewhat serious.

I consider Filoni Wars to be Republic propaganda, spinning war crimes like false surrender and the dubious legal standing of Clone Troopers as good things.

That's because it wasn't considered canon when the Prequelverse EU and the movies were being made. Those two cited each other, they didn't leave much room behind for TCW; TCW was made as a last-ditch attempt by Lucas after the fact because the dumb normie critics rejected the Prequels and denounced them as a sin to cinema. Notice how the Clone Wars was a conflict that supposedly had a lot of nuance; a lot of media showed the perspective of both sides and tried to make the conflict as gray as possible to show that the Jedi were losing their way. Instead, TCW made the conflict black and white, with almost every sympathetic Separatist character either dying off of turning to the Republic side.

It's this one-sided morality that made Star Wars dumber, since back then, you could find lore that can justify the Republic, the Separatists, the Sith, the Jedi, the Empire, and the Rebels, and you're free to choose which side you feel is good. There's enough lore to show that the Rebels were right, and there's enough lore to show that the Empire was right. But TCW just made the Separatists cartoonishly evil, despite the fact that when compared with the Empire, they're supposed to be more sympathetic, because they only wanted their freedom, as opposed to the Empire which wanted to take away freedom in the name of order and peace.

But it worked. Notice that the normies ate it all up. They actually like simplified morality and bad guys who are goofballs. Instead of having the B1s be portrayed as this wall of cold, unfeeling blasterfire like in TPM, they became comic relief. Instead of an unstoppable juggernaut, Grievous became a punching bag. Even in ROTS Grievous was more of a juggernaut than in TCW, to the point where Kenobi had to break his own rules and use a blaster to kill him. If it wasn't for that gun lying on the floor, movie Grievous would've killed Obi-Wan. Unlike in TCW, where Kenobi usually sends Grievous packing over and over again.

Yet normie critics like the Nostalgia Critic who hated the Prequels openly loved TCW and stated that it's an improvement. So no shit, the show got 7 seasons and the kind of morality it showed was mimicked by future Disney Star Wars shows when it comes to ''good guys=good, bad guys=bad''. Disney saw Lucas go for gray morality with the Prequels and their EU, and he was crucified, but when he went back to basic morality in TCW, the show was lauded for it, to the point where fans were mad when Disney canceled it, so Disney brought it back and continued it via the Bad Batch show.

I said this before but I think Lucas is just allergic to writing grey characters or grey morality in general. You're either good guy or bad guy, end of discussion and it feels like the people in charge of Star Wars now are intentionally trying to emulate his style not understanding how retarded it is.
I'll say it yet again but there's a reason why all of the best Legends content was written without George being directly involved other than to give his stamp.
And the original trilogy was good because Lucas actually gave a shit to listen when his crew told him something was a bad idea.

That's because Lucas belongs to that old generation of hippies who hated ''THE MAN'' and just saw him as evil. That nuanced portrayal of the Empire was a total accident, and most of that nuance came from the SWEU. If Lucas could make them more blatantly evil, 40K-style, he would have.

The Original Trilogy was not supposed to have any gray at all. The only morally gray character on the good side was Han Solo, and he had that moral grayness beaten out of him in ESB, so by the time he gets rescued in ROTJ, he's a full-on cheerleader for Leia and the Alliance cause. He even lends his ship to Lando, uncharacteristically forgetting that this man betrayed him and that he's the original owner of the Falcon.

Just look at what happened to Boba Fett. The epitome of a morally gray but cool character; a bounty hunter who decides for himself what is right and wrong and who to work for, and he gets punked by a blind man and eaten by a hentai sand vagina. Only in the SWEU is he awesome; in the actual movies, at best, he's a good scout, at worst, he's fodder for the good guys, and he had a humiliating end, to boot. That's how the OT dealt with morally gray characters. You either become a damsel in distress/cheerleader like Han, or you get beaten in the most humiliating way like Boba.

Lucas originally went for a morally gray conflict with the Clone Wars; on purpose, he made the Jedi fight for the oppressive regime, the ''enemies'' of the Jedi were people who just wanted their freedom, and the clone troopers, the ''soldiers of democracy'' as one might call them, were all cloned from a homicidal maniac who has no problems doing 9/11-style bombings against innocent people. Said soldiers betray the Jedi down the line along with Anakin, and they formed the core of the oppressive Empire when Anakin becomes Darth Vader and the clone troopers become Stormtroopers. In essence, Lucas put the Jedi in the shoes of Vader and Tarkin, and the Separatists they were fighting were the original Rebel Alliance. You can't get any more morally gray than that.

Yet the normie critics hated that shit, so Lucas went back to the drawing board, and went with the tried-and-true, black-and-white morality for TCW, and guess what? The same normies who condemned him for the Prequels ate it all up. So no shit, Lucas can't help it with the black-and-white morality, because not only was that the way he did the OT, but he tried gray morality in the Prequels and people hated it, but when he went back to black-and-white morality with TCW, people ate that shit up like it was the next best thing since sliced bread.

 

[The Ugly One]

If it wasn't for the prequels and the clone wars before Filoni, we would not have gotten any decent third party star wars games.

We had good third-party Star Wars games throughout the 1990s because Star Wars was just that cool. Nobody likes Battle Droids. They're fuckin' gay. If anything, the prequels helped kill off interest. Battlefront didn't need the prequel IP to be good.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

We had good third-party Star Wars games throughout the 1990s because Star Wars was just that cool. Nobody likes Battle Droids. They're fuckin' gay. If anything, the prequels helped kill off interest. Battlefront didn't need the prequel IP to be good.

I disagree. A lot of good EU stuff came out during the Prequel era; from games, to comics, novels, and even the 2003 cartoon.

Also, I liked battle droids. Back then when they were cold, unfeeling, and endless. They were pretty cool in the films and the SWEU because they're just so relentless and inhuman.

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

Nobody likes Battle Droids. They're fuckin' gay. If anything, the prequels helped kill off interest. Battlefront didn't need the prequel IP to be good.

Droidekas are fucking dope- they were child-me's favorite part of TPM after Darth Maul- it felt like they were finally exploring the potential of the setting in a way only the EU had done up to that point.

 

[Illuminati Order Official]

We had good third-party Star Wars games throughout the 1990s because Star Wars was just that cool. Nobody likes Battle Droids. They're fuckin' gay. If anything, the prequels helped kill off interest. Battlefront didn't need the prequel IP to be good.

Most major games in the 90s were developed in-house by Lucas Arts. X-Wing series, Super Star Wars, Dark Forces and Dark Forces II, Shadows of the Empire were all developed internally. Third party games really kicked off after the prequels came out (KotOR, Jedi Outcast and Jedi Academy, Battlefront).

 

[Godzilla@1989]

I’ll answer this for the author of this article. Yes, Disney sucks at Star Wars.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/star-wars-disney-analysis-ratings-box-office-1236011620/

The problem is that Disney’s EU content is requirement to understand what the fuck is going on with their films. The real EU, on the other hand, is side content you can explore and doesn’t require you to read it to understand Episodes 1-6.

The 2003 Clone Wars is a great example. It fills in the details between episodes 2 and 3 without making it a must watch in order to understand why Anakin turned to the Dark Side to protect his baby mama.

I was going to say Rupert Murdoch should have had Fox buy Lucasfilm because that would have been a more appropriate choice, but I don’t know if Fox would have been better than Disney.

 

[Fatsuit Shinji]

Speaking of the Acolyte remember how the lightsabers would spark when hitting? They ripped that off from a Corridor Digital short. I bring that up with out comment, but to just give a sense of the state of Luscasfilms output when they are now copying YouTubers for ininspiration.

I almost kinda want to see Luscasfilms ripping off this Wizards with guns
short and completely missing the point of it.

 

[Cactuar King]

I think that's why I've never cared for Bo-Katan. She's just an entitled brat who can never maintain power. She should be a villain at the end of the day. Maul did nothing wrong in that episode.

And it's hilarious how in-universe people think she's the rightful anything. Normie mandos that had to become soldiers are mad that she helped run the organization that destroyed their civilization, Death Watch mandos are mad at her not abiding to Maul's victory, and she was literally given the retcon Authurian symbol of authority in contradiction of their made-up rules.

I always found it funny how the story just stops treating her as a villain after she decides she doesn't want to follow Maul (typical Mando hypocrite, Rules For Thee, But Not For Me). I mean, her intro episode has her take part in enslaving a defenseless, peaceful village where they use young girls as servants, and when the village elder confronts them, they shoot his granddaughter in the back and torch the town. But as soon as she decides that taking orders from Maul is a step too far, not because he's a Sith, but because he's not Mando, suddenly the narrative treats it like a redemption and wants you to forget the atrocities she committed.

And Ahsoka, who was there for that stuff, apparently treats her like a friend the next time they meet. Great progression.

 

[Sneedmiser]

but I don’t know if Fox would have been better than Disney

Marginally, probably. 2010s Fox was bad, but it was bad in a different way from Disney. They would have probably just sloppily adapted the EU with fucked up misinterpretations rather than do what Disney did. On the other hand, Amazon would have 100% somehow fucked Star Wars up even worse.

 

[Clyde Cash's Left Teste]

I always found it funny how the story just stops treating her as a villain after she decides she doesn't want to follow Maul (typical Mando hypocrite, Rules For Thee, But Not For Me). I mean, her intro episode has her take part in enslaving a defenseless, peaceful village where they use young girls as servants, and when the village elder confronts them, they shoot his granddaughter in the back and torch the town. But as soon as she decides that taking orders from Maul is a step too far, not because he's a Sith, but because he's not Mando, suddenly the narrative treats it like a redemption and wants you to forget the atrocities she committed.

And Ahsoka, who was there for that stuff, apparently treats her like a friend the next time they meet. Great progression.

Bo-Katan should either be dead or sitting in a prison cell somewhere. I feel like I can forgive Maul more for his crimes then I do Bo because Maul at least has the arguement of being a victim. Bo is just an entitled bitch.

Maul did nothing wrong on Mandolare.

 

[Bob Barbas]

Bo-Katan should either be dead or sitting in a prison cell somewhere. I feel like I can forgive Maul more for his crimes then I do Bo because Maul at least has the arguement of being a victim. Bo is just an entitled bitch.

Maul did nothing wrong on Mandolare.

Speaking of Maul am I the only one that thought the decision to have him be obsessed with Obi-Wan to be fucking weird? If anything I would have expected him to want revenge on Palpatine for taking everything away from him, including his own damn brother who he literally kills right in front of him for God's sake. But nope, it's Obi-Wan's fault... somehow. Even after that he goes right back to chasing Obi-Wan because... reasons.

And any time I bring this up I always get the same responses of
"That's the point! The point is that it doesn't make sense!"
So the point is he's a retard?

 

[Ghostse]

They never should have brought Maul back. While the fact he was able to replace the need for a liver with raw hatred is pretty kino, having Maul's role replaced by a relative or friend would have done the job without opening the door for the space-time anus to save Furloni's waifu with bullshit.

 

[Gorton Colu]

If my memory is not failing me, Maul was brought back in some EU source (I think a darkhorse comic) pre clonewars TV show. Filoni didnt even come up with that, but merely aped it.

 

[Bob Barbas]

They never should have brought Maul back. While the fact he was able to replace the need for a liver with raw hatred is pretty kino, having Maul's role replaced by a relative or friend would have done the job without opening the door for the space-time anus to save Furloni's waifu with bullshit.

I mean, we literally had his brother, Savage. But they were too pussy to kill off Maul instead of Savage.

If my memory is not failing me, Maul was brought back in some EU source (I think a darkhorse comic) pre clonewars TV show. Filoni didnt even come up with that, but merely aped it.

More than you think, even Maul's initial robot legs design was straight up ripped from that comic even.

Spoiler: TCW Design

Spoiler: Comic Example

I don't remember the exact context of the comic just that Maul randomly shows up on Tatooine and attacks an old Obi-Wan. Sound familiar???
Only instead of going out like a bitch in a single move Maul actually puts up a fight here. It's not even Obi that does him in, he gets shot by Uncle Owen.

 

[Sneedmiser]

If my memory is not failing me, Maul was brought back in some EU source (I think a darkhorse comic) pre clonewars TV show. Filoni didnt even come up with that, but merely aped it.

That comic was always meant to be noncanon, it's an Infinities story.

Maul surviving being cut in half wasn't even the problem, given one of the Dark Forces games has a halved dark jedi and one of the Sith in TotJ was just a head (though both had factors to their survival that Maul didn't). The problem with Maul surviving is that he fell several hundred feet into a reactor pit, meaning he either fell into extremely hot waste or an active plasma reaction, nevermind the fact that he couldn't have broken his fall while in shock from being cut in half.

Naturally, TCW handwaves this by making it a garbage chute. Why a garbage chute needs to be protected by ray shields is never clarified.

And the only reason Maul was brought back (besides Fagloni's fetish for breaking everyone else's things) is because TCW was allergic to making the CIS interesting so it needed a new villainous faction every half season or so.

 

[Ghostse]

I don't remember the exact context of the comic just that Maul randomly shows up on Tatooine and attacks an old Obi-Wan. Sound familiar???
Only instead of going out like a bitch in a single move Maul actually puts up a fight here. It's not even Obi that does him in, he gets shot by Uncle Owen.

That comic (a 'What if' story) is incredibly kino and was a good use of the retardation of Maul surviving - because part of the "what if" is that whatever needs to have happened so Maul suvives bisection happened so you could retcon to them fighting over a garbage chute or w/e.

Less randomly shows up but wants revenge on Obi-wan for killing him so threatens child luke to get Obi to show himself.
Furloni can never understand "Letting an idea leave before its overstayed its welcome".

 

[Grave Ghost]

I mean, we literally had his brother, Savage. But they were too pussy to kill off Maul instead of Savage.


More than you think, even Maul's initial robot legs design was straight up ripped from that comic even.

Spoiler: TCW Design

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Spoiler: Comic Example

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I don't remember the exact context of the comic just that Maul randomly shows up on Tatooine and attacks an old Obi-Wan. Sound familiar???
Only instead of going out like a bitch in a single move Maul actually puts up a fight here. It's not even Obi that does him in, he gets shot by Uncle Owen.

They also aped the character designs from Tartakovsky's Clone Wars too.