Trainwreck The Empathic Nutritionist / Empathic Mamahood / Robyn Grogitsky-Ramirez / Luna Elva Ramirez / Glenn Ramirez / Atlas Glenn Standford Ramirez - Eyefucking Sociopath Selfie Addict Mother and Closeted Gymrat Pothead Father who use Instagram to Parade their Homemade Homunculus Tard Baby Created by their Refusal to Follow any Medical Oversights

Will Robyn actually go back to see the neurosurgeon in California?

  • Yes

    Votes: 26 12.2%
  • No

    Votes: 107 50.2%
  • Luna will die before the planned trip date

    Votes: 80 37.6%

  • Total voters
    213
  • Poll closed .
I come back every month or so expecting to see news of Luna finally being at peace but instead she's still being shilled by Robin. How the heck is she still alive?

She's still alive because of the ~ western medicine ~ and ~ modern medicine ~ that Robyn claims to despise so much. Ironic, huh?

Whatever is going on with Atlas has multiple factors. The primary factor is whatever issue-- autism, cut tongue, apraxia, the possibilities are endless-- that's causing him not to have speech. Then there's the fact that his parents never interact with him appropriately, which means he's being raised by a TV and Bluey. They don't take him anywhere where he can interact with other children, so that also harms him. They don't read to him; we've seen him being read to exactly once that I remember, and it was his grandfather reading with him. And they also don't take him to seek real, qualified medical help. All they have to do for that last one is take him to a (real) pediatrician and ask for a referral-- that's literally it. The pediatrician's office would put the appropriate referrals in motion, even making sure they're staying in-network with insurance. The peds office isn't going to chloroform Robyn and vaccinate Atlas while she's unconscious (though they probably should), so there's no excuse here.

I know they can't drive around very easily where they live, but, seriously, many of us probably remember riding in the back seat while a parent asked us if we saw the cow, if we saw the water, if we know what sound a cow makes, on and on. It's so obvious that nothing analogous is happening in that house. A lot of parenting a toddler is making that type of conversation-- if you don't want to do that, then just don't have kids. It's fundamentally wrong to neglect their development like this.

I keep comparing Atlas to Ari Smith, who's only about a year and a half old. It's very obvious that someone-- almost certainly her grandparents-- is working with her to teach her all sorts of words. She knows the sounds that all of the animals that the parents in and around her grandparents' house make. She was recently seen with one of those "my first words" books, pointing and enthusiastically looking for the car (so she could say "car" over and over-- her favorite word, apparently). We've been told that "no" is her most-used word, which is completely age-appropriate, but we never even hear Atlas say NO over and over.

And it's not like there aren't opportunities! Atlas has always loved to mimic Glenn, and he likes cars and trucks. No one is even pointing out the different cars and trucks to him (a friend who did learn to speak very late said few words, and most of them were makes and models of cars-- which he vocally and correctly identified at every possible opportunity). He likes the building sites-- teach him words related to those. The lack of interest and attention from Robyn and Glenn kills me.

I don't particularly care if Robyn and Glenn want to destroy themselves with their stupid choices and stupid beliefs, but you're not allowed to take others down with you-- particularly if the others in question are your very young children. They've already completely destroyed one life. Luna deserved better, and so do Atlas and Oaken. Take the kid to the goddamn doctor.

In the stirring video, I think you hear Atlas vocalizing when he's actually stirring the mixture (you can hear him grunt when he realizes that stirring the mixture is harder than he expected, which is very cute). I think a lot of the other sounds are Oakley, though. There was another video posted here where she outright states or strongly implies that Luna is vocalizing, but it's actually Oaken. People commented on it at the time. I wouldn't be surprised if she's doing the same thing with Atlas and Oaken.

I think this situation frustrates me more than any other situation that I'm currently reading about on this website.
 
I think this situation frustrates me more than any other situation that I'm currently reading about on this website.
I agree with this, it's heartbreaking. A lot of cows and their kids, you sense there isn't much hope in any case but in Atlas you can do easily see the potential to grow up and be a relatively normal (maybe not well-adjusted, given his home life) happy, bright little boy. Watching him be low-key neglected by parents that have the resources and time to treat him much better than they choose to is so sad.

It's been said before, but it probably bears repeating; once Buna is fully dead and buried, the boys will be in a much better position in terms of getting the time and attention they (Atlas in particular) so clearly need. Sure, maybe their dad will still be checked out and their mum will still be a lunatic woo harpy, but at least the attention will be solely on them, where it can be useful. The trouble is that with every month that goes past the window for this to do Atlas any good closes a little more. If she's still alive in a year, it will likely already have closed for good :heart-empty:
 
Atlas is not autistic, he's just neglected. Speech delays happen when children are traumatised or ignored. There's also the tongue thing. Hope he grows up to escape this house of horrors early. He's a sweet kid and seems to have the brain, just no tools to verbalise it. It's all happening internally. Get him help, Globyn. The longer you wait to fix the problem you caused, the more we're going to keep pointing it out.
It drives me crazy that she hasn’t had him in Head Start since he was 3. Who wouldn’t want at least half a day of free childcare/speech therapy on the tax payers’ dime? I don’t think she’s actively abusive to him and hiding something, but I struggle to understand why she wouldn’t take advantage of that since she also has to deal with Luna.
 
It drives me crazy that she hasn’t had him in Head Start since he was 3. Who wouldn’t want at least half a day of free childcare/speech therapy on the tax payers’ dime? I don’t think she’s actively abusive to him and hiding something, but I struggle to understand why she wouldn’t take advantage of that since she also has to deal with Luna.
She doesn’t plan to school them at all. No vaccinations, no school.

Even if she wanted to (she doesn’t) she’s lazy. It’d be too hard to pack up Luna with all her stuff, a baby, and Atlas to school and back twice a day.

Do you remember the story about the Turpin kids-13 siblings who lived in a house of horrors, chained to their beds, lying in feces, not allowed to bathe, starved. One of the girls managed to escape at age 17, but she didn’t know simple things like what the word medication was. Everybody thought she was 11, was so undeveloped from malnourishment. The parents were arrested and are in prison.

Even those kids could speak.

One of them is a tik tok star now and is gorgeous. A person can come out of horrific abuse and neglect and do well. Atlas has a great personality-he’s kind and helpful and calm. But if it’s true that if he doesn’t learn to speak by 5 he never will, that’s absolute abuse and he should be taken away, like the Turpin kids. Horrifying that she puts her neglected kids online and nobody says anything, but that tells you how out of it the woo community is. (I’m talking about people she talks to, not farmers, she’d ignore us anyway)

The women who give Luna therapy are mandated reporters, whether they are unqualified or not. I hope they realize their responsibility and do the right thing.

What would happen if he can’t learn by 5? He can hear and understand, but not speak. If it’s Apraxia, would he need to learn sign language? I remember an old friend telling me about Apraxia years ago and she said it has to be caught very early to have the chance for mouth and brain to learn to coordinate, or those kids never speak. I can’t ask her now sadly.
 
Even if she wanted to (she doesn’t) she’s lazy. It’d be too hard to pack up Luna with all her stuff, a baby, and Atlas to school and back twice a day.
I'm pretty sure that Lizard Woman could access services that would pick up and drop off Atlas at preschool simply because of the difficulties of dealing with Luna.
She just doesn't care.
 
I'm pretty sure that Lizard Woman could access services that would pick up and drop off Atlas at preschool simply because of the difficulties of dealing with Luna.
She just doesn't care.
Head Start offers free transportation from the home to school regardless of the family situation, so she wouldn’t even have to leave the front lawn.
 
It drives me crazy that she hasn’t had him in Head Start since he was 3. Who wouldn’t want at least half a day of free childcare/speech therapy on the tax payers’ dime? I don’t think she’s actively abusive to him and hiding something, but I struggle to understand why she wouldn’t take advantage of that since she also has to deal with Luna.
She could have had him in Early Head Start since birth.
source: head start staff here!
 
It's been said before, but it probably bears repeating; once Buna is fully dead and buried, the boys will be in a much better position in terms of getting the time and attention they (Atlas in particular) so clearly need. Sure, maybe their dad will still be checked out and their mum will still be a lunatic woo harpy, but at least the attention will be solely on them, where it can be useful. The trouble is that with every month that goes past the window for this to do Atlas any good closes a little more. If she's still alive in a year, it will likely already have closed for good :heart-empty:
I don’t know that Luna’s death will make things that much better for the boys. I think Glenn will continue as-is and Robyn will spend huge quantities of time being angry with conventional medicine for not saving Luna, trying to communicate with Luna on the other side, and talking about Luna all day every day (both at home and online). Even in death, Luna will still take up the most space in their home. God forbid Robyn creates another baby to throw into this madhouse. I feel pretty certain she will have some “vision” of a fourth baby/Luna’s spirit wanting to return in a few years, and so a new focus will be born.
 
I don’t know that Luna’s death will make things that much better for the boys. I think Glenn will continue as-is and Robyn will spend huge quantities of time being angry with conventional medicine for not saving Luna, trying to communicate with Luna on the other side, and talking about Luna all day every day (both at home and online). Even in death, Luna will still take up the most space in their home.
Ten bucks says she builds a physical shrine to her dead spud in the living room.

The other day, I saw a little girl who looked like a non-deformed Luna, and my heart briefly stopped.
 
It’s always funny to see the dissonance that occurs when smug crunchy moms have a kid with some issue. But but but I did everything right and I’m such a crunchy mahm, my kid should be perfect !
News flash hippies, breast milk and unmedicated births really don’t matter at all
Crunchy moms can only exist in a world where the prospect of serious illness is remote because of modern medicine.
 
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Would leaving Luna at home to drop off Atlas at school be that big a deal? It's not like she's going to fall down the stairs or turn the stove on or get scared.
If it were me, I don't think I'd feel right doing that. But then again I would have had actual doctors help manage my pregnancy. Logically though I don't really see Luna being left alone occasionally as an issue. If Luna died while alone in the house that would just break my heart even though I know actually being there with her isn't really doing much for her condition anyway
 
Holy Fuck Lizard Woman!

Would you stop eye fucking yourself for a few minutes and pay attention to the adorable little person behind you!

The meat sack on your chest looks rightfully horrified at her own existence and your husband is most likely checking out those cute twinks down the beach a bit, but Atlas is alive and sentient and right there!!
 
Would leaving Luna at home to drop off Atlas at school be that big a deal? It's not like she's going to fall down the stairs or turn the stove on or get scared.
Legally, kids can't be left home alone before a certain age. She'd have to cart her around like luggage.
Morally... I have mixed feelings.
 
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