What conspiracy theories do you believe in? - Put your tinfoil hats on

[Autistic Gunspergings]

I don't even know if this is really a "conspiracy theory," at least, any more than SRS/GRS surgery being used to turn normal people into permanent patients & income for companies is, but I don't know where else to put this.
I strongly believe that the push for "mental health awareness" and medications such as ADHD meds or antidepressants in the last couple of years is from pharmaceutical companies wanting to turn the younger generations into sources of income.

For ADHD, it would not surprise me if it was overdiagnosed for the sake of hooking people on ADHD meds and turning them into a printer that gives them money in exchange for amphetamines.

In regards to depression, it's companies taking advantage of the learned helplessness of the younger generations. "mental health awareness" (when people aren't talking about it for brownie points) I find almost always discussed like its nothing more than the common cold; that their shit mental health can fix itself with nothing antidepressants & time, with no other input from the user.
Of course, it doesn't actually work like that, but it gives pharma companies a steady source of income, and so they push that narrative to the wider world.

for all the criticism that the advice "just deal with it" or "figure it out" gets, it forces people to figure out how to actually deal with their depressive mood & mitigate it/eliminate it entirely. I think that's much more productive instead of doing nothing but taking prescription meds, having conversations with therapists that go fucking nowhere, and hoping it eventually fixes itself.

 

[Screamer_2]

There's got to be something going on where diagnoses are influenced by how they can monetise the person. How much of that is marketing executives going, "our customers are only sick people, how can we extend it to healthy people." I don't know. I assume it's probably more that the system encourages research and solutions that are working in that direction.

I also have to think something is going wrong in the western world. Where there's an attempt to normalise the things going wrong with people. It may just be the state of current woke type ideologies. Where it has to embrace differences. As opposed to asking why people are now broken.

Where the fuck were the autistic people when I was young? ADHD was a thing but I never came across anyone with it. Where's all the autistic old people? Why could people eat peanuts on planes until not very long ago with out people many rows ago going into anaphylactic shock?

The SRS thing is insane. As recent discussion in the SRS thread was asking, "are the surgeries getting worse or a selection bias with the thread." I don't know if the current political moment would allow it, but surely there's got to be a giant medical scandal going to break about that. I'm sure when / if it breaks they'll blame TERFS somehow.

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

I don't believe they used hteir own agent to try to shoot Trump but I do believe they were intentionally lax with security in hopes that some such thing would play itself out, and it did, just stopped by God.

It may have also been their own assassin. I don't know. Either of those are FAR more plausible than it being negligence. I cannot understand how my boomercon parents, hardcore TES Trump plantation slaves, can buy the idea that incompetence or "DEI" can somehow explain them watching a rifleman set up and take his sweet time up to the point of firing a shot as a million cops set off the alarm bells.

The Soviets implemented a "Fog of War" style of censorship and governing. The idea being, yes, the Soviet governement is powerful, but it's also strategically incompetent. Some things are set in stone, but others aren't so clear. You see a lot of disproportionate policing here; some places are "freer" in the sense that the government doesn't give a shit in that region (for now). The downside is that anarchy reigns in key areas, turning citizen against citizen in areas of low policing. This is a feature of the Soviet system, not a bug. Criminals become an arm of the state; why would a gang challenge the state when they can reign in a shithole Soviet bloc? Of course, if you're really, really bad, you'll get shipped off to a gulag. You'll either be torn apart by the guards or the prisoners, but you're fucked either way.

But that's also 1984. The Party leaves the proles alone, for the most part, while implementing draconian controls on the Outer Party.
At the top it's a free for all, at the bottom it's a free for all, it's people who are not top-tier rulers but do have some power - functionaries, bureaucrats, officers - that have to be policed heavily.

Now, 1984 didn't have anything to say about anarcho-tyranny. It was just tyranny.

Has anybody written a dystopian novel of anarcho-tyranny? Not The Camp of the Saints.

 

[Screamer_2]

I don't believe they used hteir own agent to try to shoot Trump but I do believe they were intentionally lax with security in hopes that some such thing would play itself out, and it did, just stopped by God.

One thing is clear, they're obviously trying to bury any information about that first shooter until after the election. Which means they think releasing information would help Trump win. Which is not what they want.

As to if there was a set up. It could be anything from gentle nudging by agents, to a full on plan that failed by a quarter inch. We'll probably never know. Even if it was nudging, we'll never accept it was just that.

If it was a set up, the scariest aspect is that they wanted everyone to see high definition footage of Trump's head exploding. What horrible impact would that have on society?

 

[VeteranOfTheRetardWars]

I'm cynical enough to believe it, but Hawaii was a fire and we know how to start fires. We don't know how to start a hurricane. So this would be extremely fortuitous in timing for opportunistically cashing in on a recently discovered mineral resource.

My opinion is that a lot of focus is directed towards “ooga booga gubbermint made the fire/storm/whatever” to take attention away from everything that happens after the disaster hits.
Yeah yeah, HAARP and Direct Energy Weapons are legit, but do you know what else is legit? That the American government has a strange habit of completely shafting its own citizens whose lives and land are destroyed, and then allowing various rich people and corporations (who just happen to be weirdly connected to the government) to take anything they want from those affected areas for pennies on the dollar.
Did the royal they create these disasters? IDK I’m not one to say. But the actions during and after the disasters are what scares and enrages me more, and those are documented facts that get lost in the mists of media, never to be talked about by anyone who anyone listens to. And thus the cycle repeats.
My own overarching conspiracy is that, metaphorically speaking, there is a filing cabinet filled with plans on what to do when xyz catastrophe happens. You don’t need to make it happen, you just have to wait.

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

X-post from US politics thread. Obama's CIA director talking about cloud seeding aka chem trails.

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[Agent Sandoval]

One thing is clear, they're obviously trying to bury any information about that first shooter until after the election. Which means they think releasing information would help Trump win. Which is not what they want.

Or, it's bait. They're dumping bait everywhere because it can be used to discredit independent actors. The scam is pretty simple, conceal mundane information intentionally to invite speculation and if speculation comes from a particularly sharp dissident or strays too close to anything real, reveal the mundane truth. They didn't present literally any details about the shooting or crime scene down to the most basic information like how many shots were fired. Could there be a grand conspiracy which requires that nothing be known, sure, but it's more likely that there is some minor dirty dealing being covered by a million red herring.

 

[Mao Hao Hao]

Where the fuck were the autistic people when I was young? ADHD was a thing but I never came across anyone with it. Where's all the autistic old people?

A lot of them (severe ones) would be in homes etc 99% of the time back in the day. No one took their special needs kids out and about for the shame of it, or the fact that barely anywhere understood or catered for it like they do now, with all the quiet hours in supermarkets and places in schools for tactile therapy etc. Most would be placed into care too, in group homes and the like. Also, most of the severely autistic people would still be in said homes now, so you wouldn't see them as old people really unless you went there. A lot of them are more at risk of degenerative conditions too, like parkinsons or alzheimers, so are probably also, sadly, dead.
Now, people think it's super cruel to do such things, forgetting there's a difference between the high functioning people who can get on with life as normal and pretty much blend in, and the non-high functioning who are triggered by everything and hurt themselves and others, and will scream etc when overwhelmed.
Same with ADHD, it's not as debilitating in the sense of autism, so the majority of people learn to adapt to it and live normal lives.
I feel like the massive increase is in part due to social media making having mental issues a cool and trendy thing, so there's more and more fakers out there, or parents who want a trendy special needs kid.
Also, the constant exposure of tablets and crappy media to kids brains is frying them, leading to stunted mental growth and attention spans of a peanut, so it's not actually ADHD or autism that those kids have, it's just symptoms of that building up over time. Said symptoms would go away if they were weaned off of tech and raised normally, with books, proper supervised learning and actual human interaction.

 

[goh]

Where the fuck were the autistic people when I was young? ADHD was a thing but I never came across anyone with it. Where's all the autistic old people? Why could people eat peanuts on planes until not very long ago with out people many rows ago going into anaphylactic shock?

Part of it is socialization. Ever hear about those old guys that know a shitton about random town lore or who reenact Civil War shit for fun? They're categorically mentally ill. They're the guys in town who are "a little funny." I wouldn't call them mentally ill whatsoever, but they would be categorized as such.

My point with that being, those guys turned out fine the vast majority of the time. They exist, but we don't think of them as autists. It's therapy culture that forces a label on someone, thus defining them.

But that's also 1984.

I thought it'd be better to use a historical example rather than a fictional book.

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

Part of it is socialization. Ever hear about those old guys that know a shitton about random town lore or who reenact Civil War shit for fun? They're categorically mentally ill. They're the guys in town who are "a little funny." I wouldn't call them mentally ill whatsoever, but they would be categorized as such.

My point with that being, those guys turned out fine the vast majority of the time. They exist, but we don't think of them as autists. It's therapy culture that forces a label on someone, thus defining them.

I thought it'd be better to use a historical example rather than a fictional book.

I was replying to you referring to China as 1984-style, Soviet Union as not (or less so).

 

[Rei is Shit.]

I was reminded of one I forgot about the other day.

That "missionary" who was killed on North Sentinel Island in 2019 was actually part of a medical team that abducted two of the inhabitants for medical experiments.

 

[boards of canada]

Where the fuck were the autistic people when I was young? ADHD was a thing but I never came across anyone with it. Where's all the autistic old people? Why could people eat peanuts on planes until not very long ago with out people many rows ago going into anaphylactic shock?

Correct me if I'm (and I probably am, not a professional) wrong, but I've always had a strong feeling that this has to do with the sheer amount of chemicals and sugar in our very processed foods in the western world. Constant exposure to chemicals and plastics must have some kind of effect on a human, right? People are, speaking outside of the mental health field too, constantly getting sick, constantly in some kind of pain, have terrible immune systems and are terribly out of shape (out of shape as in physically incapable, not even modestly athletic).
As for the increasing rates of mental afflictions such as autism, the definition of these has gotten quite loose, and now, as I've seen, parents describe their children as autistic or whatever when the kid is just a little eccentric or imaginative, or label them with ADHD when the kid is just very energetic. It's become trendy, as someone before me has said, to be ill, because being healthy makes you boring. Everyone wants to be special, so no one is.

 

[goh]

I was replying to you referring to China as 1984-style, Soviet Union as not (or less so).

I understand now. Let me clarify: China is clearer about what's right and wrong than the Soviets. There are very clear lines in place about things like Tiananmen Square or Taiwan. Nobody is surprised when Uncle Chan gets hauled off for re-education. Nobody is surprised when the government implements a Two Child policy. That's the way it was, that's the way it will be.

Soviets did not have that luxury. You might go to prison if you murder someone, but you also might go to prison for being Christian. I mean, sure, the Soviets placed restrictions on Christianity, but they didn't necessarily arrest and imprison you (although, they did depending on where you lived). You were bound by the whims of people with unclear motives and obtuse demands. Maybe you should become a criminal if no one is being punished for it. Maybe you should become a party-man, and pray you won't be targeted by someone more powerful. Every interaction becomes a land mine, and the terror of the state is omnipresent. That's the "Fog of War." It's state mandated mistrust and helplessness.

 

[Otterly]

I strongly believe that the push for "mental health awareness" and medications such as ADHD meds or antidepressants in the last couple of years is from pharmaceutical companies wanting to turn the younger generations into sources of income.

Yes it is. You can often see what’s going to be pushed next by astroturfing articles in the press. RSV was pushed for about a year before the launch of the vaccine for example. There should probably be an extra circle of hell for pharma marketing

Has anybody written a dystopian novel of anarcho-tyranny?

I’m trying to think …
Lord of the flies?
Probably most of Richard Morgan’s stuff
The moon is a harsh mistress would be the only thing I can think of

 

[12345]

The moon is a harsh mistress would be the only thing I can think of

Which interestingly throws rocks at the earth from the moon as a weapon to bring that back from a few pages ago.

 

[Otterly]

Which interestingly throws rocks at the earth from the moon as a weapon to bring that back from a few pages ago.

Yeah that story was in my mind when I made the point about the earths access to space being controlled by whomever controls the moon. It’s a good book, all his stuff is good.

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

Hugh Laurie is a nonce and Stephen Fry, his best friend and open bender, took the heat for him. Laurie agreed to disappear to America, which he did. Tony Robinson and Rowan Atkinson know all about it and distanced themselves from both.

 

[Bonesjones]

Hugh Laurie is a nonce and Stephen Fry, his best friend and open bender, took the heat for him. Laurie agreed to disappear to America, which he did. Tony Robinson and Rowan Atkinson know all about it and distanced themselves from both.

Saying a British celebrity is a pedophile is like saying the sky is blue

 

[Screamer_2]

Correct me if I'm (and I probably am, not a professional) wrong, but I've always had a strong feeling that this has to do with the sheer amount of chemicals and sugar in our very processed foods in the western world. Constant exposure to chemicals and plastics must have some kind of effect on a human, right? People are, speaking outside of the mental health field too, constantly getting sick, constantly in some kind of pain, have terrible immune systems and are terribly out of shape (out of shape as in physically incapable, not even modestly athletic).
As for the increasing rates of mental afflictions such as autism, the definition of these has gotten quite loose, and now, as I've seen, parents describe their children as autistic or whatever when the kid is just a little eccentric or imaginative, or label them with ADHD when the kid is just very energetic. It's become trendy, as someone before me has said, to be ill, because being healthy makes you boring. Everyone wants to be special, so no one is.

I think a lot of stuff is down to more processed baby foods and formula over breast milk. Surely breast milk is passing on things the mother is eating. I have seen things about exposure therapies for people with allergies that suggest the rise in allergies may be from a lack of exposure.

Then there's the notion environments are overly cleaned. I don't know so much about that one, but kids today in a lot of Western countries aren't outside mucking about anymore. Having a large backyard to play in is becoming a thing of the past where I live. Part of this may be that more kids are in child care, which may have stricter cleaning policies. Less attention per child. Less focus on specific needs.

Parents then get the kids at the end of the day and just chuck an IPAD in front of them to keep them busy. I don't buy the notion that people have these things but they were more hidden. I know the diagnosis was more strict, but I know multiple people with kids who have autism where they are super difficult. I know no one contemporary age or older. Someone mentioned the people who do civil war reanactments but that is more Asperger types of autism. They weren't the kids who can't function. Where people get access to government funding to deal with their nightmare to deal with kids.

One also has to just look at how the attention spans of younger people has changed. The fact that videos splot screen with CGI cars doing tricks is a thing to keep peoples attention is alarming.

It's multitudes of things with recent modernity that is fucking people from developing properly.

 

[Overly Serious]

Why start a hurricane when you can pour 180 pounds of dry ice into a tropical storm and get it to careen a different direction? We've been doing that since the 40s.In fact, let's compare the experiment with our lovely lady, Helene:
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Note, there were lawsuits over Project Cirrus. They were thrown out because the claim was Hurricane King was "created" by the military, which is not true. The government did not create a hurricane in the 1940s; they moved one. They moved it pretty far too! Thank God they'd never do that again!

I'm sorry, your link is mangled. Any chance of a fixed one?