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Unless they were a separatist holdout, there is almost zero reason as a human to support the Alliance to Restore the Weimar Republic.
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You turn coat after the second or third mission.
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The Tosche Station deleted scene made it pretty clear the Empire is bad for everyone, human or not. You're screwed no matter who you fight for, either reactionary old money running the Rebel Alliance or the totalitarian new money running the Empire.
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Tell that to the Alderaanians. Or anyone that thinks dropping a Star Destroyer on tax protesters is a bit overkill. It was the corruption that was the problem of the Republic not the government in and of itself.
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All the deleted scenes are great, understand why they were cut, but it really goes to show that George wanted to delve into the politics of the world and explain why the Empire was bad rather than "they just are okay?"
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Its 100% class warfare nonsense on their part and catering to shitskins who don't care either way. There's always EAW mods if you really care that much about fleet variety.
It was a retarded mistake for them to just not make a clone wars campaign based around their OC legions that were the default skins for a few years into the game's lifespan instead. Everyone wanted Mygeeto and Utapau to be added in the updates since they were just as important settings to Battlefront and the clone wars era as Endor and Tatooine were to ROTJ.
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Yeah but if you're extra racist the Emperor will give you a shiny medal and a pay raise and a whole series of clones of your own. What's the Rebellion going to give you?
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I think the problem is that no matter how racist you are in the Empire, you'll always be a second class to the real master race: the Sith. And by the Sith, I probably just mean Sheev, because I'm not convinced he had any intentions of dying and passing the Empire on to an angsty half-cyborg cripple like Vader.
Is that better than going back to the dysfunctional mess that was the Old Republic, with the same people who crashed it with no survivors (Mon Mothma, Bail Organa, et al) at the helm again? Maybe, maybe not. Do I want to be enslaved by Hutt gangsters the central government is powerless to fight, or do I want to be turned into a sharecropper for an off-world landowner? It kind of sounds the same.
This is where someone brings up the post-ROTJ EU that details the New Republic trying not to follow in the path of the Old, but I'm not too familiar with the post-ROTJ EU.
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No they try to bring back the institutions and processes of the Old Republic and it blows up in their faces. This is inverted by Disney, where the New Republic is a weird 1984-style nanny state and the New Jedi Order replicates all of the faults of the Old.
The New Republic kind of limps along until everyone collectively recognizes that it's built on a rotten foundation around the time they realize they're unable to effectively respond to the Yuuzhan Vong despite outnumbering them.
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It's always my impression that the real New Republic was a provisional government trying to be a liberal democracy, but just never had the military reach to be where the Old Republic was at any point, hence various Moffs running their own sections of space as proper fiefdoms.
Still better than Disney Republic though.
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Look. One can see the faults of the Empire, I am just saying that there is little compelling reason to support the Rebel Alliance. One can oppose the Empire without following Mon Mothma, Bail Organa, or Garm Bel Iblis.
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Who's gonna foot the bill for that protest if not the rich people having a bird?
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Me of course. My buddy Xizor will help too. He has a little gang that he runs.
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It has already been over 10 years since the "Expanded Universe" was dropped from "canon" (in April 2014), and became "Legends", but somehow it doesn't feel quite that long.
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I'd say it's because it's still extremely prominent, as all the good stuff was from that era. Hard to feel like it's distant when it isn't.
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There are alot of settings that are frozen in time with no new stories. Star Wars is now one of them. The Disney nonsense is trite and uncompelling; I cannot count it as real story content.
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Reading post-Endor EU novels gives me the vibe of Roman Republic's decline. Why, you may ask? Thing is, insofar as we can tell, until Octavian Augustus' generation almost no one in Roman Republic wanted to overthrow the Republic. But the logic of events naturally led to concentration of power first at the hand of half-dozen of families, and then of three grand statesmen, until finally only one remained at the top, because the whole system just did not work at the scale it now had to operate, and every attempt to introduce fixes demanded concentration of executive power at the hands of people who could get shit done.
It's much the same in EU. Every time the New Republic attempts to operate as a proper state, events reveal that it is just a personal project of a few men (and women), mostly Skywalker family, and things go to shit almost as soon as they step even slightly aside. It's not so much about the inability to put the eggs which Palps broke back togher, as about the fact that even after peace is briefly restored across the Galaxy, the republican institutions just aren't functional without a powerful leader like Mon Mothma or Leia who make a show of ruling with consent of the people, but de-facto make all the decisions together with their inner circle of friends, at the helm. The New Republic's armed forced operate like a bunch of feudal levies, held together by personal loyalty to their leaders, and its Senate is completely permeated by narrow-minded egotistic partisanship. It's no wonder that by the Legacy time the Empire made a resurgence, despite being run by fuckwits who trusted the Sith - at least with the Empire you get what it says on the can, while with the NR and its successors you can never tell when the Jedi decide to try allowing the state to run on its own, only to have to step back when that causes another crysis.
It's much the same in EU. Every time the New Republic attempts to operate as a proper state, events reveal that it is just a personal project of a few men (and women), mostly Skywalker family, and things go to shit almost as soon as they step even slightly aside. It's not so much about the inability to put the eggs which Palps broke back togher, as about the fact that even after peace is briefly restored across the Galaxy, the republican institutions just aren't functional without a powerful leader like Mon Mothma or Leia who make a show of ruling with consent of the people, but de-facto make all the decisions together with their inner circle of friends, at the helm. The New Republic's armed forced operate like a bunch of feudal levies, held together by personal loyalty to their leaders, and its Senate is completely permeated by narrow-minded egotistic partisanship. It's no wonder that by the Legacy time the Empire made a resurgence, despite being run by fuckwits who trusted the Sith - at least with the Empire you get what it says on the can, while with the NR and its successors you can never tell when the Jedi decide to try allowing the state to run on its own, only to have to step back when that causes another crysis.
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Star Wars, at it's heart, is just a Fairy Tale in space. And we have a definitive end to the story. Anakin comes back and chucks the Emperor down an elevator shaft, Lando blows up the second Death Star, the Empire is over, good wins, evil loses, they all live happily ever after.
The problem comes in when we try to apply real world politics to a fairy tale setting. It's kind of like Tolkien and his Fourth Age tale about Aragorn's son and his politics and yadda yadda yadda. It gets away from the story about how the Ring of Power was destroyed and the rightful King showed up and good won, evil loses, and they all live happily ever after. Aragorn's tax policies don't really matter because that's not the point of the story.
If I were absolutely pressed to come up with a post-ROTJ setting it would be the Republic was restored, the planets of the galaxy set up the Republic and fixed the policies that allowed Palpy to come to power in the first place, said the Empire was an illegitimate government that Palpy essentially usurped power in the first place by starting the Clone Wars in the first place, and made sure it couldn't happen again. Meanwhile Luke studies the Jedi texts and learns everything he can and communes with Ben and Yoda and maybe even Anakin and Qui-Gon before he even thinks about reforming the Jedi, but when he does it he does it in such a way that they avoid being an institution with rules and regulations and all of that and avoids being used by the Republic government in a role such as being generals in a war. They spend their time doing Force stuff and helping out around the galaxy, not worrying about robes and lightsaber colors and politics.
To continue the story I would have some mysterious power looking for a MacGuffin, Luke and his child/apprentice go on a quest to find it or destroy it, Hand and Leia send the next generation of heroes to help, and we go from there. Think more of a knight's quest from Camelot and less a cheap retelling of ANH by someone who doesn't understand anything about mythology or why it mattered to Star Wars but does understand CGI and lens flare.
The problem comes in when we try to apply real world politics to a fairy tale setting. It's kind of like Tolkien and his Fourth Age tale about Aragorn's son and his politics and yadda yadda yadda. It gets away from the story about how the Ring of Power was destroyed and the rightful King showed up and good won, evil loses, and they all live happily ever after. Aragorn's tax policies don't really matter because that's not the point of the story.
If I were absolutely pressed to come up with a post-ROTJ setting it would be the Republic was restored, the planets of the galaxy set up the Republic and fixed the policies that allowed Palpy to come to power in the first place, said the Empire was an illegitimate government that Palpy essentially usurped power in the first place by starting the Clone Wars in the first place, and made sure it couldn't happen again. Meanwhile Luke studies the Jedi texts and learns everything he can and communes with Ben and Yoda and maybe even Anakin and Qui-Gon before he even thinks about reforming the Jedi, but when he does it he does it in such a way that they avoid being an institution with rules and regulations and all of that and avoids being used by the Republic government in a role such as being generals in a war. They spend their time doing Force stuff and helping out around the galaxy, not worrying about robes and lightsaber colors and politics.
To continue the story I would have some mysterious power looking for a MacGuffin, Luke and his child/apprentice go on a quest to find it or destroy it, Hand and Leia send the next generation of heroes to help, and we go from there. Think more of a knight's quest from Camelot and less a cheap retelling of ANH by someone who doesn't understand anything about mythology or why it mattered to Star Wars but does understand CGI and lens flare.