Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

This is recent history too. Did he forget that IGG was selected due to KS ' rather extreme bias against the right and center?

Well, Teddy(Vox Day) got kicked off indiegogo for doing his Qanon book, either because they didn't like the content or because of financial shenanigans behind the scenes. There never was any clarity from Vox on that score as far as I know.

So because of that, in Jon's eyes indiegogo bad kickstarter good. Never mind that indiegogo has been much more accomodating to CG than kickstarter. And in fact CG would have never had a platform to crowdfund at all without them.
 
This whole argument about crowdfunding platforms gets convoluted because: THEY DON'T NEED MONEY UP FRONT TO WRITE AND DRAW. It's the one thing you can do from literal scratch with no money. It only costs them the hours of labor working on it on a computer they already had. Stop giving these retards money. There are ways to get things printed on demand without paying a printer thousands. Plus all these youtubers are terminally online, you can only buy them online, yet do not have their comics available digitally, it's fucking stupid. For those who said boo hoo I can't crowdfund on this woke site anymore- hey you are supposedly a creative guy make some other scam up for your dumb followers.
 
I recall how Zack used to rail against the mainstream for using 3-D assets to trace over, and we currently all know about @FROG and Vito's absolutely gay crusade against Eric's artist using 3-D assets for (gasp) a car or lamp...

But I wonder what makes the AI art copacetic? Ethan, would you care to find your password again and explain to me how using 1 or 2 or even dare I say, 3! 3-D assets a sin against God, while using AI for full projects totally acceptable and, quite frankly, stunning and brave girlfriend?

Funny thing is Ethan has been having his colorist do fucking stock footage style shit for backgrounds like forests because 90% of the time he doesn't draw a background and if he did you wouldn't be able to tell what's what because he puts way too much detail into everything when he's inking, he doesn't accentuate some details over others.

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The forest background there isn't even rotated right. It looks like it's 45 degrees off. And the hard shadows in every scene, even when it's the middle of the day outside. The nigga has never heard of ambient light. You can get away with that kind of style if you have a very simple color scheme like old school comics but here it looks like dogshit.

It's funny that Ethan will make fun of Mike Millers art when it's a lot more clean and easier on the eyes.
 
Everyone forgets IGG banning Rebel Yell, and a few others due to their Pro-Right-of-center presentation. Rebel Yell has the stars n bars on his face. To my knowledge there were no lynchings or cross burnings in the book. Yet it bit the dust.
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This fantasy of an open platform is kind of adorable. Ultimately, even FMC has to conform to a set of guidlines from their host, and payment processing providers.

If you want to make books, and piss off people with platforms to sell those books... Well, you're going to have a bad time.
Shadow banning is gay, but so is straight up banning people who aren't depicting unlawful things. (ex: cheese pizza)

But we don't live in a timeline where minding your own business is practiced. So if you want to exist on their platforms, you have to conform to their desired behaviors. Like it or not, we as creators exist inside of THEIR territory. Whether they built or not; whether they care or not---is irrelevant. They command the platform's risk management department and there's no prying them out of there. If the appeal to a greater outcome worked, they would have turned away from the SJW banhammer practices, and embraced an open dialogue. But they haven't, and have signaled they will NOT be doing so.

This isn't like a sit in, people just see the presence of a contrary concept and remove it. There's no humanity about it. It's seek and destroy. IGG holds off because they like the fees they scrape from each sale. CG makes up their comics space, and it would otherwise be pretty vacant without CG funneling in projects.

There's no reason to pretend IGG, or KS is your friend. There's no cause to see either as changing their stance anytime either. From what it looks like, KS is fine missing out on the processing fees. IGG? Not so much.

Out of the two, KS treats the backers better, and so I prefer using that platform over IGG. For whatever reason, Indiegogo feels slimey and rundown. Like there's a thin film of scum all over every page.

KS seems cleaner.
 
While CG was definitely being targeted by KS early on and they were right to be concerned about getting the boot if they went there, I'm just going to point out that Tim Lim has been on there for years and he's fine. I believe Sweetcast was on it as well before he got attacked for it by the rest of CG. You're allowed to be on KS, just don't act like a retard and give them a r to boot you. Jon probably would have been fine but crabs in a bucket are a tough thing to deal with.

Indiegogo isn't much better for them since the site is apparently just shadow banning some of these morons for being grossly incompetent with their campaigns and overall just being annoying to deal with. It doesn't matter what site a lot of these guys go to because the same shit is gonna keep happening the moment the sites are forced to hold them accountable for their own behavior.
 
I thought he felt familiar. I remember watching a video where Alastor went over Organized Chaos being a bad faith debater using the EFAP crew and Eric as examples. I see he continues to be bad faith by trying to gotcha the guy with a year old video

I'm curious on why they're sperging out now and not when the video came out. Sure shitting on them is his biggest video, but kinda weird to go in a year later.

It's more pathetic that being bad faith. The dude is a massive follower. Particularly with Actual Fandom(?). There is a hilarious clip in regard to (I think) the Flash movie and they both go into their opinion of the movie. But OC made the mistake of going a second or two before AF and AF had the opposite of whatever OC said and OC immediately flipped his opinion. In the thing he did with Eric July, it's also believed he was getting fed questions by AF.



And a contrarian is boring because of their predictability and their bad faith takes. This has to be all about Zack's ego (or mental illness), because spending this much time giving contrarian takes that most people hate is completely counterproductive to any hopes for success. Him putting out video after video of terrible takes is a lose lose scenario.


Some people have speculated that Philips and Phoenix only did the movie because they were finally offered enough money.

The funny thing is that WB only ponied up half the money for Philip's original Joker, which was very cheap to make and which made a ton of money. So, the studio only reaped half of those original profits, which people have put around $200 mil. And now WB spent (at least) $200 mil to produce the much more expensive Joker 2. It will most likely bomb, which will wipe out all of those profits the studio made from the original. Smart move, WB.

I swear I remember talk of Phoenix wanting to do a second one while working on the first one. But perhaps I'm remembering wrong or it was after getting tossed a lot of money.



He’s such an art advocate, that when given the chance to go on the biggest podcast in the world, Rogan Experience, and expose the plight of the American comic industry (and “clear” his name), he turned it down for apartment hunting.

I should’ve known he was little bus material back when I learned about that.

Unless he was afraid of looking bad in front of millions. That has to be one of the more stupid moves on his part. Let's see, get millions of eyes on your comics and possibly other comics in your space? Or look for an apartment. It's not like he has a day job and couldn't just wait a few days/weeks to do that.
 
Everyone forgets IGG banning Rebel Yell, and a few others due to their Pro-Right-of-center presentation. Rebel Yell has the stars n bars on his face. To my knowledge there were no lynchings or cross burnings in the book. Yet it bit the dust.
Never heard of it. Here's an image I grabbed online: The "rebel flag" is known to be banned and unwanted in places. Taken down from capitol buildings, etc even back when this comic was dated '15 or '18 . You CAN make this but know it isn't wanted by everyone. You might want to take it where it's wanted, and there's no TOS I dunno a Lynyrd Skynyrd concert? Southern gun show? I could think of more offensive things that even less people would like to sell on their site or print at their printer. There is the story of Mike Diana who got in serious trouble for publishing offensive comics.

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The difference when we're talking about comicsgaters getting banned from platforms, like JDA or Meyer or FROG it's because they antagonize people off site across a wide political spectrum. They are all going at both leftist and right wingers pissing off everyone that might click REPORT or tag the platform in a tweet. Then crying about it for marketing purposes.

KS seems cleaner.
Kickstarter is the brand synonymous with crowdfunding. Kleenex to tissues, Band-aid to bandages, Kickstarter to crowdfunding. Indiegogo has been around for years but is still second tier. It's a haven for chinese tech grifting.
 
No right winger will get a fair shake from him and anyone using Kickstarter going forward is fool
Tim Lim has been on there for years and he's fine.
I was gonna bring it up but Kamen America and other comics associated with it also get to be on KS with no repercussions AFAIK. I'm not sure about comics like Zombie Tramp or Tomorrow Girl or any ones that have boobs on their cover because IDK much about them or their association with being right-leaning, however I wanted to bring up that I guess since some creators know they need to play by the rules to get their projects made it's hard to understand what drives nu-CG to the current situation. I don't know how much better they'll do moving over to FMC but they also have to play by their rules too, instead of just making their own site to fund their comics, like what Rippaverse already does?
 
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I swear I remember talk of Phoenix wanting to do a second one while working on the first one. But perhaps I'm remembering wrong or it was after getting tossed a lot of money.
From what I've heard, the director had stated more than once that he wasn't interested in doing a sequel. Something eventually changed his mind and wore him down. That's why people have been speculating that he must have been offered so much money that he couldn't keep saying no anymore. But who knows?
 
Phillips probably got a blackmail of sorts. Keanu Reeves was blacklisted for a decade by 20th century fox for not wanting to star in Speed 2. probably threatened to be blacklisted to not getting directorial roles unless he do it
And now he is going to get his ass blacklisted because he decided to punk the audience and waste a ton of money from a struggling company. Sorry but his brain is not right. He should have made the best movie he could. There is no rational reason for him to take this course of action.
 
And now he is going to get his ass blacklisted because he decided to punk the audience and waste a ton of money from a struggling company. Sorry but his brain is not right. He should have made the best movie he could. There is no rational reason for him to take this course of action.
He did the same thing with Hangover 3. He's either a shitty director if given too much control or a Rian Johnson subvertist. Maybe both.
 
He did the same thing with Hangover 3. He's either a shitty director if given too much control or a Rian Johnson subvertist. Maybe both.
A subvertist for sure. From what I hear, the vitriol felt too directed to be a fuck up. If he was that determined to not do a sequel, he should have put in a contract the stated so. If it was said from the start, he could get away with it.
 
That cope is next level.
Or maybe no one wants to talk to Actul faggot or unorganized Cuckholdry because they're low IQ CONSOOMERS.
They sometimes almost have the "Birthday Party Clowns" and Comicsgaters figured out but then have the most libtarded reasons like can you believe they support Trump! They have not forgiven Your Gay Zack yet they still think he's a bigot.
 
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