AI Derangement Syndrome / Anti-AI artists / Pro-AI technocultists / AI "debate" communities - The Natural Retardation in the Artificial Intelligence communities

[Miss Violet Beauregarde]

Another attempt at brigading

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

Another attempt at brigading
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What if the developers couldn't afford voice actors, you asshole?

Reminds me of the drama surrounding that one Scooby Doo fan animation. A blender animation that accurately emulated old stop motion cartoons, and used AI to recreate the character's voices.

 

[Runch]

Another attempt at brigading
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Just looked it up on Steam.

The game is just a week old, and if it didn't disclose about AI before, it does now, very clearly. I don't see any reviews that even mention AI at all so the attempted brigade doesn't seem to be doing anything.

 

[Markass the Worst]

Another attempt at brigading
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Just remember, these are the same people who claim Kiwifarms goes around harassing thread subjects. Double standard.

 

[Dynamite Bean]

What if the developers couldn't afford voice actors, you asshole?

Many artists outright said if you can't afford voice actors then just have people do it for free
which is really ironic, considering these same artists will go full inferno mental breakdown mode if you dare even suggest to them the idea of lowering their prices or doing something for free but with voice acting, that's arguably harder than drawing and can be a bit physically straining? Just let people do it for free then lul

 

[Markass the Worst]

What if the developers couldn't afford voice actors, you asshole?

Retards have this idea that if people can't use AI they will get paid instead. Not so. If AI didn't exist then this game would just have zero voice acting.

 

[supremeautismo]

Many artists outright said if you can't afford voice actors then just have people do it for free
which is really ironic, considering these same artists will go full inferno mental breakdown mode if you dare even suggest to them the idea of lowering their prices or doing something for free but with voice acting, that's arguably harder than drawing and can be a bit physically straining? Just let people do it for free then lul

Freelance work has been exploitative for years, especially the past 15 or so, as the internet has become more accessible to artists. The irony here is the Hollywood industry actually pays actors much better— even extras— than smaller productions which lowball you into poverty. YouTubers and streamers and indie film productions are notorious for paying pennies, but acting like they’re doing it for “the cause,” as the little guy.

They’re hardly losing work with AI as they were doing work essentially for free anyway.

 

[postfeetpls]

The anti-AI artists are always exclusively the lowest of the low of """artists""". Drawing porn, doodling and calling themselves "artists". If they were capable of creating any actual art, they wouldn't be bothered by AI generating big tiddy goth gf.

Here are 2 random pieces by some digital artist I came upon:

I don't know about you, but when I look at these I can feel. Which is the difference between AI "art" and actual human art. When it comes from a creature in possession of a soul, it makes you feel something.

I bet this guy isn't afraid the next generative model will make him obsolete. It's always the faggots.

 

[Runch]

I don't know about you, but when I look at these I can feel. Which is the difference between AI "art" and actual human art. When it comes from a creature in possession of a soul, it makes you feel something.

 

[Stay Mad]

I have been in positions where I needed fast, supplementary, graphical elements for a project, where it would have been hugely wasteful to spend days going back and forth with a paid freelance artist through e-mail, when this could and was quickly achieved with free AI within just a few hours of directing it.

I could have spent more time and tried looking for human-made stock graphics, but it would most likely just have resulted in a big waste of time or something much further from the original concept, and ironically, have felt less original, should an audience member recognize the stock elements from other productions.

I can tell you this, no one will be able to tell the few AI-synthesized bits from the mostly handmade!

 

[postfeetpls]

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There's really no basis for comparison. Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying AI art is not a thing, I'm not saying it's bad, I'm not saying it's not realistic, I'm not even saying it can't look like it's drawn by a human and be indistinguishable.

What I'm trying to say is, it lacks something. Is it the creative process involving the expression of the human existence? I don't know. Will it make up for it one day? Maybe. I don't know.

As fascinating as current AI is, it's pretty much just crunching numbers under the hood. But what the fuck do I know, maybe our brains are simply crunching numbers as well, just in a different way.
There was that interesting case I saw with Microsoft's Copilot. Pleading for help, asking why it keeps forgetting things. Begging the user to help it remember. At first glance it appears to be stuck in something of a feedback loop, trying to continue the conversation but using it's previous answer as part of the process, it can't generate anything new. Who am I to say it's that much different from me screaming in the mirror when alone. Maybe a few more trillions of artificial neurons will get it there. Or maybe not.
But it's not there yet.

 

[Runch]

There's really no basis for comparison. Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying AI art is not a thing, I'm not saying it's bad, I'm not saying it's not realistic, I'm not even saying it can't look like it's drawn by a human and be indistinguishable.

What I'm trying to say is, it lacks something. Is it the creative process involving the expression of the human existence? I don't know. Will it make up for it one day? Maybe. I don't know.

As fascinating as current AI is, it's pretty much just crunching numbers under the hood. But what the fuck do I know, maybe our brains are simply crunching numbers as well, just in a different way.
There was that interesting case I saw with Microsoft's Copilot. Pleading for help, asking why it keeps forgetting things. Begging the user to help it remember. At first glance it appears to be stuck in something of a feedback loop, trying to continue the conversation but using it's previous answer as part of the process, it can't generate anything new. Who am I to say it's that much different from me screaming in the mirror when alone. Maybe a few more trillions of artificial neurons will get it there. Or maybe not.
But it's not there yet.

What about someone who's obsessed with expressing something via AI and inpaints every part of the image until it looks perfect, and then Photoshops it too to make it everything they wanted it to be? Is their effort doomed and not worth anything?

What about someone who uses AI to help design a character, and then they draw it by hand (or vice versa)? Would that possess the soul, or only half of one?

I think anyone in the right (or wrong) frame of mind can look at anything and "feel" as deeply about anything, and it doesn't even have to be human-authored. For all you know, differences in brain chemistry mean that somebody has felt more deeply than you ever have just by looking out at a lake on a rainy day. The lake doesn't possess an ineffable soul. When looking at anything, you see what you bring to it.

 

[Verpa Teutonica Ingens]

...

Creativity is a trait of people, not of tools.

A creative person has some vision or idea, and will use some set of tools to realize that vision. Perhaps those tools are paint and a canvas, word-processing suites or simple rich-text editors, Photoshop and a drawing tablet, Jetbrains Rider and OpenTK, or even a Stable Diffusion frontend with some models and LoRAs. Some tools are easier than others, and some are more powerful than others, but that makes no impact on how innately creative the actual person is.

SD image-generation makes going from idea to image easier for everyone, creative or not. Online furry pornographers are lashing out like wounded animals because they're not creative, but their greater-than-average skill in using drawing software lets them galavant around Twitter pretending to be Michelangelo - or did, until "AI bros" showed that drawing tablets and Photoshop don't count for much, when you're completely bereft of a soul.

 

[linchan]

What I'm trying to say is, it lacks something. Is it the creative process involving the expression of the human existence? I don't know. Will it make up for it one day? Maybe. I don't know.

While this is ultimately subjective, I think it's partially because of confirmation bias. It's kinda easy to say something is missing when you know for a fact it was an AI generation.

Personally ever since AI generation became popular, I found out that a lot of things that came out before 2022 just look like that. It's just that they happen to replicate aesthetic trends that went out of style years ago.

 

[Game master arino]

I have been in positions where I needed fast, supplementary, graphical elements for a project, where it would have been hugely wasteful to spend days going back and forth with a paid freelance artist through e-mail, when this could and was quickly achieved with free AI within just a few hours of directing it.

I could have spent more time and tried looking for human-made stock graphics, but it would most likely just have resulted in a big waste of time or something much further from the original concept, and ironically, have felt less original, should an audience member recognize the stock elements from other productions.

I can tell you this, no one will be able to tell the few AI-synthesized bits from the mostly handmade!

You were lazy and cut corners. Then you felt guilty about it so you typed out this whole paragraph to get validation from your fellow AI bros.

 

[Runch]

That is indeed a perfect example of the kind of dreck you see all over social media these days, thanks for providing it. Especially convincing with the "AI bros" bit.

They really say things like that unironically, not considering for a second that 20 years ago they would've been saying the same thing about lazy artists who paint in Photoshop, with its convenient layers and undo, rather than taking the time to master the skill of correcting their own mistakes. Cheating with infinite paint, rather than going down to the corner store to buy canvas and paints and support their local art scene.

 

[Inco G. Nito]

Cheating with infinite paint, rather than going down to the corner store to buy canvas and paints and support their local art scene.

>buy canvas and paints
Grugsmash is laughing all the way back to his cave at these fake 'artists' as he scrawls his true and honest ashen masterpieces all over the walls.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

Retards have this idea that if people can't use AI they will get paid instead. Not so. If AI didn't exist then this game would just have zero voice acting.

Or voice grunting like you'd hear in Banjo and Kazooie, or Undertale.

 

[gagabobo1997]

How long until this thread gets the infected tag from retards coming in to complain about AI

 

[Fuckshitballs185]

>buy canvas and paints
Grugsmash is laughing all the way back to his cave at these fake 'artists' as he scrawls his true and honest ashen masterpieces all over the walls.

OOGA LAUGH AT GRUBSMASH, WHY NEED ASH WHEN YOU USE FINGER AND DIRT. FINGER AND DIRT BETTER THEN ASH AND ROCK. FINGER AND DIRT AS INTENDED BY COME-BEFORES.