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[JJLiautaud]

Trains in emergencies should be bringing IN vehicles and supplies from military convoys to help with rescue and evacuation, not trying to transport people out.

Or do both at the same time.

 

[Markass the Worst]

yeah, but beside it being bad because Musk came up with it, it's also bad because what if one car breaks down?! then it's going to hold up all the other cars!

or what if one car catches on fire?! then everyone in the tunnel will die from the smoke or the fire! we all know how unreliable lithium batteries are!

It just occurred to me these objections could be raised about trains too. And that isn't just a hypothetical, Louis Rossmann has plenty of stories about how the NYC trains are so shit that when they get stuck there's no way out because you're trapped in a metal tube inside a tunnel.

 

[Big Budoo Troy]

I can't say I'm 100% sold on this robobus concept but I can recognise the benefits. The entire controversy around this seems very strange, if cars are literally genociding pedestrians and cyclists then any move that results in less cars being on the road should be a step in the right direction. Especially since in Vegas the robobuses won't even be on the roads. But instead they're cannibalising each other.

There seems to be a fundamental philosophical opposite between the fuckcars crowd and everyone else, even urbanists in positions of power who have to consider the pragmatic consequences of their policies, that I don't think they'll ever overcome. I think both the robobuses and all the shit around that hurricane show the same thing: fuckcars and their ilk see people as nothing more than cattle, as a resource to be moved around in the most efficient way. If a computer calculated that the most optimal way to get people from A to B regardless of comfort, convenience, or accounting for anything else whatsoever was to fire you from a cannon, fuckcars would probably be on their knees praising Skynet.

The average person using public transport's main gripes are most likely lack of comfort (including the people you share it with) and wait times between services. A 1000 capacity train is about as useful as a screen door on a submarine to the average commuter if it only runs twice per hour and gets you to your workplace ten minutes late every time. Or to put it another way, a 15 minute queue that moves you steadily towards the front is more bearable than a 10 minute queue where you sit in place and don't see the people in front of you moving. By any logical standard, the average bus user would probably love the smaller robobuses, if they're full more often then they're more efficient, if they run more often than a larger capacity vehicle then they either have better wait times or have the illusion of better wait times, and they're more comfortable. But the r/fuckcars user isn't the average bus user, he's a person who will deliberately inconvenience himself to make some point nobody will ever give a shit about. The ones who comment saying shit like "umm I have an iq of 300, what if you linked them all together and put them on rails haha checkmate musktard" cannot possibly comprehend that people prioritise convenience over efficiency, because that's the same logic that drives people towards owning cars.

It's why they love trains so much. Buses are better than trains in many situations because if you need to alter the route, you can. But because there's no mathematically better way of moving a large quantity of people from one location to another they act like any less efficient method is objectively worse. There's no need to make changes to the route if it's already perfect, and if the trains can’t run to every single house they have bicycles as a band-aid solution to that because bicycles aren’t a threat to public transport like cars are. I'm legitimately surprised we haven't seen an urbanist bring up Auschwitz as a positive talking point yet. You reckon if the Nazis had shipped the Jews in on trucks towing like 6 shipping containers each the urbanist argument would be more favourable to road vehicles lmao?

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

I think the reason they're hating on busses is that they've realized that busses use roads and cars can, too.

Trains use tracks and cars can't use those ...

 

[IdiotPlusPlus]

It looks dumb and is dumb but is somehow less stupid than trains. The best part about it is bus routes are one of the easiest things to automate since you already know the path and conditions day in and out. Running smaller more frequent trips makes everyone happier (Compare getting on a bus every 5 minutes to 15 or 20 in total trip time). You have additional layers of redundancy that most mass transit doesn't support. It's pretty much win/win over the current paradigm. So of course they hate it.

Tbh Trains and Trams are way easier than buses to automate, the main problem and why self-driving cars(and to the same extent buses) are so hard to automate is that they have to deal with other traffic, lateral movement and the randomness of others are the hard part, trains and trams are effectively 2D, and cars and buses 3D, the reason most train networks aren't automated are complexity, Safety, and how often they have at grade interactions with uncontrolled traffic.

Hell BTF's Cybernetica PR Film shows 'automated trains' back in the 70's, it's not new, like with most things the hard part is where humans and mechanics collide. Urbanists hate Musk's investment scam because he bought their precious twitter and 'ruined it' by letting others into their bubbles, any valid complaints they have are coincidence because they are same twats who fell for his vac train scam, and the 'solar roadways' scam, and would immediately fall for this one if it was done by Apple and Tim Cook or some other loser they admire.

Tbh I look forward to getting a bomb and cutting off those pieces of shit in traffic like people who hold those 'self driving' Jag's in SF hostage with traffic cones, there is going to be a whole bunch of brake check insurance fraud once people figure out how to get them to plow into the back of their car and get a payout xD

 

[Xarpho's Return]

The European Commission tweeted a graph showing the percent change of road deaths in EU countries from 2019 to 2023:

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Guess which country had an increase in road deaths over the past four years?

Some of the numbers coming out of American cities suggest Vision Zero policies aren't resulting in a decrease of deaths; if anything, numbers are rising which means one of two things:
a) Vision Zero actually makes things worse
b) Address issues of non-whites/policing them
c) Both

 

[quaawaa]

Some of the numbers coming out of American cities suggest Vision Zero policies aren't resulting in a decrease of deaths; if anything, numbers are rising which means one of two things:
a) Vision Zero actually makes things worse
b) Address issues of non-whites/policing them
c) Both

Urbanists will admit that they're deliberately making roads more dangerous in order to try and make drivers slow down. They never thought to think about what happens if they don't slow down though because their primary goal isn't safety, but rather to make it difficult to get around by car.

Also, just like how gun control advocates secretly love mass shootings, urbanists love road deaths because they give them more reasons to ban cars. If the roads were safe, you wouldn't need "safe streets" advocates anymore, would you?

 

[Yamamura]

I think the reason they're hating on busses is that they've realized that busses use roads and cars can, too.

Trains use tracks and cars can't use those ...

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I viewed it as part of the "efficiency" autism. Trains are also easier to make driverless, which is something they bring up a lot when they talk about self driving technology. "Trains are already self driving" which isn't true at all.

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Also I was watching youtube and stumbled upon a video where Graham Stephan and Caleb Hammer talk about cars. Caleb basically outs himself as somewhat of an urbanist sympathizer. He doesn't go full on abolish cars, but just has the normie take of "why can't other places be like New York or Chicago"

Surprisingly there are not a ton of comments from urbanists flocking in except maybe one or two

Mostly the comments are pretty level headed just saying the basic, don't spend beyond your means and budget accordingly, etc. This seems to be the angle urbanists will try to attack in the future is the financial aspect. Luckily most people haven't bought into it yet and understand the idea of not being retarded with your money.

 

[Sunflower Samurai]

r/FuckCars seethes about Musk having similar opinions because

1. They dont actually want answers, they want to bitch and join a community to bitch in with fellow bitches

2. Its "Le Elongated Muskrat", if Musk showed up and started actually efficiently solving world hunger they would find a way to go "but but musk bad"

Or possibly, the "smarter" fuckcars types know that having someone as big saying their quiet parts out loud would give the gig up for trying to push shit thats actually fucking nuts

 

[Xarpho's Return]

Urbanists will admit that they're deliberately making roads more dangerous in order to try and make drivers slow down. They never thought to think about what happens if they don't slow down though because their primary goal isn't safety, but rather to make it difficult to get around by car.

The issue with "making roads worse so drivers go slower" is it makes the assumption that motorists are reasonable and act accordingly, yet they act like most motorists are murderous psychopaths.

So either Vision Zero policies are worthless because all motorists are terrible and find new ways to be terrible, or Vision Zero policies are worthless because it just punishes motorists who did nothing wrong.

 

[Grapefruit Soda]

Vision zero policies only happen because people don't see them yet, people love cars, and trying to stop people from driving will always end up with the gestalt becoming irrationally angry. It's why things like ULEZ extension and congestion pricing become deeply unpopular for normies, even in Edmonton, city council had to come out and run cover for 15 minute cities before they went through with them. The current leadership is very unpopular, and wont last another cycle, even with the union loving people.

The tides are turning against bike lanes now too in leafland, Ontario is rethinking zoning for bike lanes province wide, and with the other colossal failures in transit across the country, my heart tells me we're gonna see people turning against the urbanist retards.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

Which is doubly funny because people don’t complain about bike lanes that are being used - drivers hate bikes in traffic and if they’re all in their lane they’re happy.

It’s useless empty bike lanes everywhere that nobody is using that finally drives them over the wall.

 

[quaawaa]

Top post on /r/fuckcars right now is from lolcow Patrick Sean Tomlinson:



First of all, a flight costs half as much and takes as third as long:

Secondly, that price is impossible to get:




haha europoors can't afford cars:



"if every American got a free trip to Europe and Asia, our politics would be wildly different":


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Musk should sell all his houses cause he can live rent free in urbanists' heads:






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[Xarpho's Return]

Top post on /r/fuckcars right now is from lolcow Patrick Sean Tomlinson:

This is proof that neither Patrick nor anyone else in the subreddit has used an airplane. In six hours by plane you can get from New York to Los Angeles, nor is it an impressive flex to get from New York to Columbus. It takes eight hours to drive there. Even at 200 mph, meanwhile, it would take around 12 hours to get from New York to Los Angeles and that's assuming "as the crow flies" with zero stops or slowdowns.

haha europoors can't afford cars:

I'd like to know where they're getting the "third on paycheck on cars" business. Some quick Googling indicates the average American spends 15-18% of their budget on transportation, not "a third".

"if every American got a free trip to Europe and Asia, our politics would be wildly different":

I like how they assume that the answer is "more trains" and not coming to "incorrect" conclusions about the ideal racial makeup of a country.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

 

[I AM RETARDED!]

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Even the weirdo who made this meme knew exactly what they meant by "dangerous" and "crime"

 

[ilovejews]

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"Own nothing"
"Engage in a struggle session"
"You're a retard"
"You're a yokel"
"Stop noticing"
Guys, why do MAGAtards hate us?

 

[TowinKarz]

This is proof that neither Patrick nor anyone else in the subreddit has used an airplane. In six hours by plane you can get from New York to Los Angeles, nor is it an impressive flex to get from New York to Columbus. It takes eight hours to drive there. Even at 200 mph, meanwhile, it would take around 12 hours to get from New York to Los Angeles and that's assuming "as the crow flies" with zero stops or slowdowns.

This, the "transformative" thing HSR would to for the US would be to increase travel times and costs, but, at least you'd be doing it progressively!

Also, know what isn't between Barcelona and Paris in a straight line? The fuckin' Appalachians, YOU try getting a straight and level line through that, or, try doing 200 mph on a line with 20 degree radius curves....

Just another person whose "research" was watching a slick CGI render of their proposed system working , in an environment where physics can be disabled..... and all the structures are made of gleaming "renderite" , a mystical material that can be built anywhere, at any time, and is immune to thinks like material costs, geologic surveys, fire codes and whole host of other pesky things that keep getting in the way of urbanists' "good ideas" .

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

You know what? If we did have a direct high speed rail line? We’d fucking fill that shit with Amazon garbage and fuck the passengers they’re annoying.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

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I've seen this before on this thread, but typically you use strawmen OR "get in the pod"/"stop noticing things goy" arguments, not both.