Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Illuminati Order Official]

Look at what Krayt got for having a bunch of Sith Lords.

Victory against both Galactic Alliance and Empire.
Preventing his enemies from uniting against him for a long time.
Almost complete eradication of the Jedi Order.
Coming close to proper immortality.

 

[Gorton Colu]

Victory against both Galactic Alliance and Empire.
Preventing his enemies from uniting against him for a long time.
Almost complete eradication of the Jedi Order.
Coming close to proper immortality.

Sure a temporary victory as is the case always with Sith. Palpatine achieved more with less. My point is that having many Sith vs few Sith is really just an exercise in tradeoffs. Krayt was undone by having many Sith lords the same as Naga Sadow, Traya, Lord Kaan, etc. Credit to Bane for trying something different even if it also didn't work.

 

[Imperial Citizen]

no. The Moffs wouldn't listen to that punk; nor would they let him preach to the people-they'd just fucking kill him because most of them are fucking racist towards aliens, and some alien preaching against the Empire would garner their full attention as another Rebel rabble-rouser who needs to be put down. Vader, or some other Imperial tough guy, would kill Nom Anor before he got anywhere.

Nom Anor would not operate publicly, that’s suicide. Clandestine operations could sink the Empire. Remember the Ooglith Masquers? Anor and his agents could hide underneath them and be undetectable (quite literally through the force).

The Vong could corrupt Imperials through the promise of power. I assume that many Imperial officers would still be in command even 40 years into the Empire when the Yuuzhan Vong arrive. Anor could promise several young and eager captains powerful positions in exchange for secrets and loyalty. A few assassinations and entire Imperial fleets, even the domains of Grand Moffs could be under the sway of the Vong.

Traitorous Kuati could sabotage new Star Destroyers. Corporate Sector would go with whoever promises the most profits. The Hutts double cross everyone. And at first sign of an Imperial defeat, whole portions of the galaxy will rise up in revolt.

The Empire could still win against the Vong, but it wouldn’t be easy.

 

[Vining]

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Nom Anor would not operate publicly, that’s suicide. Clandestine operations could sink the Empire. Remember the Ooglith Masquers? Anor and his agents could hide underneath them and be undetectable (quite literally through the force).

Not quite. Palpatine has his own intelligence agencies, from the Emperor's Hand, to Imperial Intelligence, the ISB, among others, and they have their own infiltrators everywhere in the Empire.

The Vong could corrupt Imperials through the promise of power. I assume that many Imperial officers would still be in command even 40 years into the Empire when the Yuuzhan Vong arrive. Anor could promise several young and eager captains powerful positions in exchange for secrets and loyalty. A few assassinations and entire Imperial fleets, even the domains of Grand Moffs could be under the sway of the Vong.

You do realize Nom Anor is a pleb compared to Palpatine playing the Jedi, the Republic, and the Separatists for suckers, right? You're here glazing Nom Anor as if he was the smartest individual in the SW galaxy, meanwhile the Empire is led by a guy whose 4D-chess moves took down a 25K-year-old Republic and an even older Jedi Order.

Also, if Nom starts corrupting human officers, the Sith would find out, because they have ISB and Imperial Intelligence spies seeded within Imperial ranks. The Rebels promised the same thing to admirals and moffs within the Empire, yet those turncoats were rooted out.

There is a reason why Nom Anor and the Vong had to wait until long after Palpatine was dead for sure before making any moves. They were aware of the SW galaxy for quite some time; a Neo-Crusader force bumped into a Vong scout force 4000 years before the Rise of the Empire, and the Vong even captured Vergere during the Old Republic era. Yet they waited until after Palpatine was dead and the Empire was weakened before they tried anything. They logically knew that Palpatine and his Empire would crush them easily.

Traitorous Kuati could sabotage new Star Destroyers. Corporate Sector would go with whoever promises the most profits. The Hutts double cross everyone. And at first sign of an Imperial defeat, whole portions of the galaxy will rise up in revolt.

LOL the Kuati and the Corporate Sector are the Emperor's friends. They wouldn't betray him for complete unknowns; they didn't even betray him for the Rebel Alliance who were more familiar and moral, so why would they betray him for some weirdo aliens from another galaxy? No matter what the Vong are paying, the Emperor can match their price and double it. Also, did you forget your history? The Vong utterly abused the Hutts. If anything, the way the Vong work, the Hutts would hang on to Papa Palpatine for dear life.

The Vong are a completely alien faction whose trustworthiness is questionable. Even those who have no love of the Empire would rather deal with the devil they know than the devil they don't know.

The Empire could still win against the Vong, but it wouldn’t be easy.

A weakened New Republic and a tiny fragment of the Empire decimated the Vong so badly the latter had to settle for a total surrender and exile. A full-power Empire would crush them in a fortnight. Hell, if the NR kept their eye on the ball and had a competent leader, the Vong War would've been ended in a year. They literally had to make the NR pants-on-fire retarded just so the Vong could be a legitimate threat.

 

[AnotherOne]

Nom Anor would not operate publicly, that’s suicide. Clandestine operations could sink the Empire. Remember the Ooglith Masquers? Anor and his agents could hide underneath them and be undetectable (quite literally through the force).

The Vong could corrupt Imperials through the promise of power. I assume that many Imperial officers would still be in command even 40 years into the Empire when the Yuuzhan Vong arrive. Anor could promise several young and eager captains powerful positions in exchange for secrets and loyalty. A few assassinations and entire Imperial fleets, even the domains of Grand Moffs could be under the sway of the Vong.

Traitorous Kuati could sabotage new Star Destroyers. Corporate Sector would go with whoever promises the most profits. The Hutts double cross everyone. And at first sign of an Imperial defeat, whole portions of the galaxy will rise up in revolt.

The Empire could still win against the Vong, but it wouldn’t be easy.

IIRC the Vong openly admitted that the empire would demolish them. The New Republic was drifting towards demilitarization; the empire by that point would have had 50k plus star destroyers, several death stars, and a couple dozen lesser known WMDs at their disposal. The Vong occupy a planet? The empire obliterates that planet with the galaxy gun. The vong send refugee ships to crack Coruscants shield? The Imperial fleet blows those ships away after a moments hesitation (and that's being charitable). The Vong relied on terror and on exploiting the morality of their enemies. The Empire can beat them on both fronts. Even the New Republic was working on an anti-vong bioweapon; the Empire would have rolled one out within the first year of the war. There would be some revolts and defections but Nom Anor has his limits and ultimately the war would last as long as Sidious wanted it to last.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

maybe Han was about as accurate in his expectations of Empire vs Vong as he was in his thoughts about space measurements

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

maybe Han was about as accurate in his expectations of Empire vs Vong as he was in his thoughts about space measurements

Basically, yes. He forgot that Luke's Force powers is what allowed him to hit that weak spot of the Death Star. The Vong do not have the Force; ergo they can't hit that weak spot.

IIRC the Vong openly admitted that the empire would demolish them. The New Republic was drifting towards demilitarization; the empire by that point would have had 50k plus star destroyers, several death stars, and a couple dozen lesser known WMDs at their disposal. The Vong occupy a planet? The empire obliterates that planet with the galaxy gun. The vong send refugee ships to crack Coruscants shield? The Imperial fleet blows those ships away after a moments hesitation (and that's being charitable). The Vong relied on terror and on exploiting the morality of their enemies. The Empire can beat them on both fronts. Even the New Republic was working on an anti-vong bioweapon; the Empire would have rolled one out within the first year of the war. There would be some revolts and defections but Nom Anor has his limits and ultimately the war would last as long as Sidious wanted it to last.

Not only that, but Nom Anor using subterfuge against Palpatine's Empire is absurd. Palpatine could teach a whole goddamn university course on the topic of political manipulation and subterfuge. Nom Anor's attempts at subterfuge would easily be spotted by the ISB, Imperial Intelligence, or the Emperor's Hands, and whatever turncoat entertains working for the Vong would get assassinated by Vader, the Shadow Guards, or some other Imperial agent before their plan gets off. The Empire has rooted out traitors from its ranks before; Admiral Harkov, Moff Kalast, Grand Moff Trachta, Grand Admiral Demetrius Zaarin; more than a few traitors from within the system met a sudden and unfortunate end.

And like you said, weapons-wise, the Empire would crush the Vong by the balls. The Vong were beaten by a conventional fleet with little in the way of new tech advancements; a fleet fielded by a battered and weakened New Republic and a tiny fragment of the once-great Empire. The Empire at its full power would crush the Vong like it's a joke. Hell, even the Old Republic or the CIS during the Clone Wars could crush them like they're a joke. There's a reason why, despite the fact that some of their advance scouts met and fought the Neo-Crusader Mandalorians, and despite the fact that they captured Vergere all the way back during the era of the Old Republic, they chose to keep out of galactic affairs until after Palpatine was dead and the Empire was falling apart. If they showed their faces earlier, they'd have been crushed rather easily.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

ngl I kinda would kinda like to see "the Vong show up too early, Sheev gets to show why you need a god emperor, rebel scum = felted"

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

ngl I kinda would kinda like to see "the Vong show up too early, Sheev gets to show why you need a god emperor, rebel scum = felted"

It'd probably be like one of those Saturday Morning Cartoon episodes where the heroes and villains join up to defeat a common foe. I can imagine the Empire doing most of the fighting, but the Rebels would hunt down the Vong leaders and deal the final blow. Once the Vong kick the bucket, it's back to the status quo.

 

[HandsomeDan]

It would have given Lucas time and space to set up and show some of the deep backstory he had built up for TPM instead of just having the opening crawl being "The Chinese have blockaded Renaissance Italy because they think their tax rate is too high. Anyway, now enjoy this drawn out ship docking sequence".

I mean, we could have an entire episode or two focused just on Pod Racing.

I agree with you recent posts on this, Anakin was too young in the prequals when we met him. I posted years ago on here my summary of the prequel plots I wrote nearly 10 years ago. My idea for the introduction of Anakin would have been for him to be a fighter pilot in his 20s that was commanding some small planetary fighter squadron on a remote planet where his force abilities were overlooked by the locals as they thought he was just an exceptional pilot. My idea had Obi Wans counselor ship be caught in a battle near this planet between two Waring local factions and Anakin's squadron come to his aid, where Obi Wan would realize after meeting him he was force sensitive. There would have been a constant conflict over Anakin wanting to remain a military man over a monk like existence with the Jedi.

The line in the OT where Obi Wan tells Luke "when I first met your father he was already a great pilot" was really messed up in TPM because my entire life I never envisioned this meeting line to mean he was a nine year old child flying planetbound racing vehicles. I always envisioned a brave young fighter pilot. Having Anakin already be a military man before starting his Jedi training was something they missed because this helps explain why Vader would gravitate towards being a military commander over some dark side priest like figure or how the Sith are portrayed in current ST media.

The current timeline is wrong to me as well with Vader being in his 40s by ROTJ, that is too young. He should have been in his 60s as we saw him to be when Luke removes his helmet.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

The line in the OT where Obi Wan tells Luke "when I first met your father he was already a great pilot" was really messed up in TPM because my entire life I never envisioned this meeting line to mean he was a nine year old child flying planetbound racing vehicles. I always envisioned a brave young fighter pilot. Having Anakin already be a military man before starting his Jedi training was something they missed because this helps explain why Vader would gravitate towards being a military commander over some dark side priest like figure or how the Sith are portrayed in current ST media.

To be fair, Kenobi never told Luke what Anakin was a pilot of. That, and later on, Anakin's shenanigans in a Naboo fighter jet destroyed a capital ship, and he flies rather well during his escape from the ship, so even by your metric of ''military flight pilot'', he fits. And child soldiers were a thing in Star Wars even back in the OT; even Yoda looks at the young Luke and says he's too old to begin the training. It wouldn't make sense for Anakin to be 20-something and still accepted by a Jedi Order that's not lacking in recruits.

The current timeline is wrong to me as well with Vader being in his 40s by ROTJ, that is too young. He should have been in his 60s as we saw him to be when Luke removes his helmet.

Once again, to be fair, the Dark Side ages you up. It drains the life from you just as you get too into it. Which explains why Anakin looks like that.

 

[HandsomeDan]

To be fair, Kenobi never told Luke what Anakin was a pilot of. That, and later on, Anakin's shenanigans in a Naboo fighter jet destroyed a capital ship, and he flies rather well during his escape from the ship, so even by your metric of ''military flight pilot'', he fits. And child soldiers were a thing in Star Wars even back in the OT; even Yoda looks at the young Luke and says he's too old to begin the training. It wouldn't make sense for Anakin to be 20-something and still accepted by a Jedi Order that's not lacking in recruits.


Once again, to be fair, the Dark Side ages you up. It drains the life from you just as you get too into it. Which explains why Anakin looks like that.

Right, that may be, but my point is that the timeline is off because Anakin should have been an older man by ROTJ for practicality sake not just to make the older actor make sense. Im not sure how old you are, but if you grew up with Star Wars being the OT for most of your life before seeing the prequels, did you not envision Vader to be an older man close to the age of Kenobi? I never in my wildest ideas as a child imagined him to be a child as well when Kenobi met him. Maybe thats just me.

Also, wouldnt you think Ben would have said to Luke something about how amazing it was his father was a great Pilot at only nine years old? Thats an important detail that would not have been common even for the people of the SW universe.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Right, that may be, but my point is that the timeline is off because Anakin should have been an older man by ROTJ for practicality sake not just to make the older actor make sense.

Not really. I mean, looking at what he looked like in Jedi robes, the guy looked 40-ish to me. Also, a 60-year-old paraplegic cyborg being a physically active soldier in a warzone just doesn't work unless he's like an Elf who can live long. I could barely accept old Ben being an active combatant, let alone a cripple who's that old.

Im not sure how old you are, but if you grew up with Star Wars being the OT for most of your life before seeing the prequels, did you not envision Vader to be an older man close to the age of Kenobi? I never in my wildest ideas as a child imagined him to be a child as well when Kenobi met him. Maybe thats just me.

I did, because Yoda said Luke was too young. Dude's barely an adult and Yoda was telling him to get lost. So that naturally told me that Jedi recruits tend to be far younger.

If Anakin was 20 by the time he was discovered, the Jedi wouldn't recruit him. The only reason Yoda budged on that matter in ESB was because Luke was his ONLY recruit. In an age where there's countless potential recruits for the Order, they would never accept a man.

Also, wouldnt you think Ben would have said to Luke something about how amazing it was his father was a great Pilot at only nine years old? Thats an important detail that would not have been common even for the people of the SW universe.

I would, but then ESB happened and we saw Yoda reject Luke as a candidate because he was barely an adult. So, no.

 

[Gondolindrim]

They're not the nerds who got stuffed into lockers for loving nerd shit, they're the popular kids who saw the nerds as pieces of shit beneath their notice. Pissing on nerd shit is just the usual for them. At this point, they're more angry at the fact that we don't say their piss tastes like rainbows.

It is funny how this all happened. One day all the jocks and popular kids realized that "nerd shit" like Star Wars and action cartoons are cool actually and then immediately invaded and colonized our hobby.

 

[Quarterback Rex Grossman]

The problem with the prequels is that they were full of stilted dialogue and wooden acting, not that Anakin wasn't old enough.

It is funny how this all happened. One day all the jocks and popular kids realized that "nerd shit" like Star Wars and action cartoons are cool actually and then immediately invaded and colonized our hobby.

Redditors are not cool.

 

[Gorton Colu]

The problem with the prequels is that they were full of stilted dialogue and wooden acting, not that Anakin wasn't old enough.

This is true, but it's also mostly true of the OT as well. Plenty of interviews where even the cast poked fun of the wonky dialogue. The wooden acting is case by case. The sequels are somehow even more wooden.

 

[Space Police]

Right, that may be, but my point is that the timeline is off because Anakin should have been an older man by ROTJ for practicality sake not just to make the older actor make sense.

Doesn't Vader look middle-aged when he gets unmasked? It makes no sense for him to be an old man; middle-age is what makes the most sense based on his combat abilities. I will say that replacing the old actor with ROTS Anakin was a terrible retcon.

It is funny how this all happened. One day all the jocks and popular kids realized that "nerd shit" like Star Wars and action cartoons are cool actually and then immediately invaded and colonized our hobby.

They still don't do it out of interest and enjoyment; they just do it to fit in.

The problem with the prequels is that they were full of stilted dialogue and wooden acting, not that Anakin wasn't old enough.

"Wooden acting" and "stilted dialogue" don't matter; different people behave and speak in different ways. Why should people from a different galaxy filled with different languages and species talk and act like us?

 

[Quarterback Rex Grossman]

"Wooden acting" and "stilted dialogue" don't matter; different people behave and speak in different ways. Why should people from a different galaxy filled with different languages and species talk and act like us?

Because they're Humans who use 1970s Earth slang like "sister."

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Because they're Humans who use 1970s Earth slang like "sister."

Except Anakin literally came from an Order that suppressed things like emotion and attachments. So no shit, he's going to act wooden and awkward when confronted with both.

As for Kenobi being more mellow and empathetic in the OT, notice that it happened after the Jedi Order fell, so he probably had a lot of time to think about it and not be a stuck-up.

It is funny how this all happened. One day all the jocks and popular kids realized that "nerd shit" like Star Wars and action cartoons are cool actually and then immediately invaded and colonized our hobby.

It's not even the jocks; it's the popular kids who were the socialites and teachers' pets. The kind that wouldn't dare talk to someone with a Star Wars T-shirt, thinking them to be uncool, uncouth, disgusting nerds. Then all of a sudden, they want to cosplay as a Jedi and drove the nerds out of the hobby that was once theirs.

The jocks in this case are our allies; and they too have been driven out of their spaces. Just look at the modern Halo/CoD franchises; do their new handlers honor the people who made them great? Or are they castigating the very same crowd who made them great?