Grace Lavery / Joseph Lavery & Daniel M. Lavery / Mallory Ortberg - "Straight with extra steps" couple trooning out to avoid "dwindling into mere heterosexuality"

In all centuries past, women's earnings have lagged men's significantly, so rents women could afford on their own were below market. (Still true, btw.) That made women-only housing a bad investment and hard to sustain. Women's hotels faded away along with other lower-cost urban housing when real estate developers got financing for more lucrative urban builds and repurposing.

Providing women-only housing became that much less sustainable when birth control made sex out of wedlock less perilous, so women could be sexually active and wanted those gEnTlEmEn cAlLeRs overnight.

Finally, as women resolved to push into fields dominated by men, they were less likely to want women-only environments like women's colleges and women's hotels. If they were to compete and succeed as pilots, doctors, lawyers, financiers, and politicians, they had to toss away "safe," "comfortable," and "cozy," so they did.

Staying in loveless or abusive marriages had been steadily fading into the past, too, so single mothers became more common and needed housing that would accommodate their kids.

UN/NATO didn't have a damn thing to do with it and couldn't have even if they'd wanted to.
 
But nowadays--even in flyover country--is is a HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATION to have anything less than a certain standard of living

It's really because the no visitors rules were seen as prudish by the sexual revolutionists. But those rules were the only things stopping those places from becoming brothels and losing any safety for the non-whores. It's not worth it to run a women's hotel where their boyfriends and pimps and johns can run through the place.
 
There's a part of me that wishes Mal has a success on her hands with the new book, so she might be able to find her way out of this "thruple".

But then I remember how beyond shitty she was to her actual family, who looks like all they were guilty of is loving her "quirky" self.......and I just say, "fuck it, stay there and enjoy the ride to the bitter end, asshole."
 
I don't think she's thinking at all, it all reads like pure reflexive instinctual brain melt.

Did she have a hysterectomy? If she's still got a functioning female endocrine, well, mystery solved.
You're veering into troon logic, my boy. There are women with functioning endocrine systems who murder their children, and men with functioning testicles who are nurturing, competent fathers.
Plus, Mal is on the T. She's gained weight and her skin looks terrible. I don't think her female endocrine system can be described as 'functioning'.
There's a part of me that wishes Mal has a success on her hands with the new book, so she might be able to find her way out of this "thruple".
This is a nice thought, but Mal's had literary success before, and she threw it away on Joe. I doubt the second time will be the charm.
 
In all centuries past, women's earnings have lagged men's significantly, so rents women could afford on their own were below market. (Still true, btw.) That made women-only housing a bad investment and hard to sustain
The first attempts at women’s hotels in NYC went bust quickly, they were run more as charitable endeavors than for profit. Eventually they managed to make some run as a business, but it was never going into the era of overpriced commercial real estate.
women moved out of women's hotels so they could have sex with men the nanosecond it was socially acceptable to do so
Social acceptability had little to do with it. It had everything to do with reliable birth control, that didn’t depend on a man using a condom. Women were generally far more fearful of a bastard child than they were horny.

Even most bastard children of the pre-BC era were the result of a father they were seriously dating or hoped agreeing to sex would result in marriage. Casual sex sex and one night stands weren’t even fathomable until the danger of pregnancy was out of the equation.
 
Did Game of Thrones really turn us back into using the term "bastard"? Just say illegitimate child, sheesh.
Nothing to do with an HBO series. Idk where you were raised but bastard has never fell into disuse in many parts of the USA.

“Bastard out of Carolina” was a popular novel in the 1990’s and I still have the lyrics:
“more than an occasional hazard. You run the risk of conceiving a bastard” stuck in my head from twenty years ago.

Illegitimate and “out of wedlock” were mostly legal and administrative lingo, or when you were speaking to your pastor or trying to be extra proper about a sensitive matter.
 
Mal's had literary success before, and she threw it away on Joe.
As you'll recall, that's Joe's fetish.
Illegitimate and “out of wedlock” were mostly legal and administrative lingo, or when you were speaking to your pastor or trying to be extra proper about a sensitive matter.
"Natural child," "spurious issue" and "nonmarital child" too. And "love child!"
 
In the spirit of on-topicness, I must point out that Rocco is a bastard. Once was a time (as recently as 1966 - in North Carolina, at least) when a judge would have signed a warrant allowing Lily to be hauled into court to name Rocco's father so that Joe could be ordered to pay for a bastardy bond - a form of child support meant to safeguard public funds. As fate would have it, Lily would now pay for the bond out of her own earnings because her fancy man doesn't work. Progress!
 
Nothing to do with an HBO series. Idk where you were raised but bastard has never fell into disuse in many parts of the USA.

“Bastard out of Carolina” was a popular novel in the 1990’s and I still have the lyrics:
“more than an occasional hazard. You run the risk of conceiving a bastard” stuck in my head from twenty years ago.

Illegitimate and “out of wedlock” were mostly legal and administrative lingo, or when you were speaking to your pastor or trying to be extra proper about a sensitive matter.
Of course I know what it means and it comes up plenty in art, but no the only time I have ever heard anyone refer to an actual out-of-wedlock child as a "bastard" was to be insulting.
 
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The reviews keep coming in. The Boston Globe likes it, although ”gemlike” also describes cubic zirconia

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…as does Bookpage

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Women’s Hotel​

By Daniel M. Lavery
Review by Sydney Hankin

Through sentences of remarkable elegance, humor and complexity of phrase, former Slate advice columnist and cofounder of The Toast Daniel M. Lavery vividly imagines a 1960s women’s hotel in his debut novel.

Somewhere in between a modern apartment building and a Hilton or Holiday Inn lies the Biedermeier, an unassuming hotel in the heart of 1960s New York City and the subject of Daniel M. Lavery’s Women’s Hotel. The building’s hallways bustle with women both old and young, all hailing from different hometowns, with different backgrounds and big-city dreams. As residents come and go and life plans take detours, Women’s Hotel masterfully captures the joys of community, neighborliness and circumstantial friendships that this bygone mode of living made possible.

Katherine, a Biedermeier floor manager and Mrs. Mossler’s second-in-command, might ride the elevator up to retrieve pinking shears from Carol or down to negotiate favors with Kitty. She might walk over to Lucianne’s to gossip, visit J.D. to stare curiously at her stray cat or accompany Pauline to a meeting of political activists. In Women’s Hotel, these events aren’t linked by an ongoing mystery or conflict. Instead, each resident’s experience is blended stylistically in a way that imitates the inseparability of real lives. The intentionally minimal plot allows Lavery to focus on intimately exploring this unique moment in time; in his own words, the novel should “be taken for no more than what it is: a diffuse sketch of a short-lived, patchwork commonwealth, a few impressions of a manner of living that was briefly possible for a small group of women in the middle decades of the last century.” In extracting beauty from ordinary stories easily overlooked, he’s created a memorable novel.

Lavery, a bestselling author, former Slate advice columnist and cofounder of The Toast, writes in a style reminiscent of contemporary wordsmiths Nathan Hill and James McBride. Through sentences of remarkable elegance, humor and complexity of phrase, the Biedermeier is drawn so vividly that it nearly becomes a character in itself. The women’s hotel stands tall as a deeply loved, grounding constant for its countless tenants, tenants who will always tease, entertain, support, exasperate and—above all—protect each other to no end.

…which has also commissioned an essay on Mal’s research for the novel. Alas, they instead got her extended musings on life following Joe around the country, and breakfast.

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A lost New York City tradition​

Behind the Book by Daniel M. Lavery
Daniel M. Lavery reveals the research that went into his delightful slice-of-life historical novel, Women’s Hotel, and discusses the universally torturous experience of moving house.

Like most people, I hate moving house. Wherever I’m living at any given moment, I want to die there, no matter how cramped the apartment or inconvenient the neighborhood. I never want to have to pack up my things, or unpack my things, or measure the width of a door frame to see if the couch is going to fit through it.

“Of course the couch is going to fit through it,” I say, every time. “The very fact that the couch is here now is evidence that the couch fits through the door.” Nevertheless, on every moving day it transpires that I was somehow wrong, that the couch must have been transported through the door and into the living room by acts of contortion or wizardcraft, or it has gained weight in the interim, because it certainly doesn’t fit through the door now.

“Wherever I’m living at any given moment, I want to die there.”

“Leave it, then,” is my only moving strategy. “I don’t want it now.” No matter how attached I might have formerly been to an object, be it my own bed, a box of books, an antique, or half my wardrobe, if it causes me even a minute’s extra work or mental calculation on moving day, all I want to do is get rid of it. Once I am moved into my new place, of course, the old spirits of avarice and acquisitiveness return to me in greater strength. I begin to meditate again on the pleasures of the getting of things. But ownership in all its forms is hateful to me on moving day; there is no possession I treasure more highly than lightness.

I didn’t realize just how good I had it. During my research for Women’s Hotel at the New York Public Library, I came across some old newspaper columns about the local tradition of Moving Day. For hundreds of years, well into the middle of the 20th century, all New York City leases expired at the same time on May 1st, which meant that everybody moving house in a given year did so not only on the same day, but at the same hour, as this column, “May Day,” from the April 30th 1873 New York Times describes:

“When New Yorkers celebrate the day, as they do invariably, it is, if not in sack-cloth and ashes, amid dust and piles of carpets and confused heaps of furniture. . . . The annual spectacle of a whole drove of Gothamites struggling amid pots and pans, and pictures, and rolls of carpet, to break away from the ties of place and friendship just as they are warming in their old nest, to find a new and cold home and cultivate fresh friendships, is not the kind of picture to gaze on with poetic rapture.”

The heyday of the women’s residential hotel was very short-lived; it really only existed in a handful of major cities for a relatively small portion of the population. I knew I was trying to capture a brief phenomenon that never much resembled how most people lived most of the time. Part of the pleasure of writing historical fiction, for me, has to do with attempting to re-create the experience of an extinguished tradition, to capture a kind of urgency that no longer exists. Women’s Hotel takes place over a period of several years in the early-to-mid 1960s, and I knew I wanted to open the action with a small-scale, vestigial remnant of Moving Day at the Biedermeier Hotel.
“I like to start a book by considering what, and when, everybody eats.”
There’s a temporal lag at the Biedermeier, although not from any active attachment to the past. It’s a few years out of step, more by default than by accident, although there’s plenty of the accidental there too. The height of popularity for women’s hotels came during the 1920s and ’30s; the Biedermeier is the sort of place women are more likely to land in without meaning to than to aim for directly. Most of the hotel residents have no plans for the future, only anxieties, and half of them aren’t even able to join in with the present. They are formally unattached people; everyone who lives at the Biedermeier, lives alone.

Few of them have ever been married, but none of them is married at the time of their residence. Even fewer of them have children, but those who do either cannot or will not live with them. They are not allowed to cook in their rooms (although at least one of them secretly owns a hot plate for drinking midnight cups of cocoa in bed), and the hotel has recently stopped providing breakfast. I like to start a book by considering what, and when, everybody eats, and so Women’s Hotel begins with “It was the end of the continental breakfast, and therefore the beginning of the end of everything else.”

It’s always the same way with me, whenever I have to move. Come to think of it, it’s the same way with me before I’ve had breakfast. I can never see past it and into the afternoon.
 
I read the excerpt. I think that Mal's deepest, darkest fantasy is living in a place only inhabited by other women, and enjoying simple, practical breakfast foods instead of having to deal with Joe's dank food hacks.
She's also a better writer than Joe. If she outsells his bonertome ('Please, Miss' (blech)), I wonder what kind of hissy fit he'll throw? How will he punish her? Will it involve sea buckthorn?
 
When I was young there was a funny sitcom about a women's hotel called the Martha Washington that was infiltrated by two men pretending to be women in dowdy frumpy attire looking terrible. Sort of like Joe. Mallory should have researched Bosom Buddies with Tom Hanks and Peter Scolari, might have made an entertaining subplot in her book where she could vent about her ridiculous husband with plausible deniability.
 
might have made an entertaining subplot in her book

To have a subplot one first requires a plot, and even the kindest reviewers say there isn’t much of that. Also it would introduce the possibility of icky sexual tension and other grown-up ideas. Mal wrote this book because a women’s hotel is the closest she could get to a girls high school while still appearing to be writing an adult book and not YA. But imagine how much more interesting a book she could have written if she had taken up your idea!
 
I can appreciate an author being able to write outside of their own head, and Danny sounds like he's able to. This is the kind of subject matter that is surprising to hear a man tackling, and it seems like the sort of thing that would be a setup for for some real r/menwritingwomen stuff. But no, we're not talking about female characters who are introduced ogling themselves and engage in some 'experimentation' with their equally-hot neighbors. This man, Daniel Lavery, he seems to be able to write women with insight and sensitivity without a whiff of the dreaded Male Gaze.

(I wouldn't mind if he turned his pen to something that was a bit closer to his own heart, the sort of book that appeals more to a male audience like technothrillers, spy novels, or hardboiled detective stories. This is an interesting experiment, but how sustainable is it for Dan the Man's Man?)

I read the excerpt. I think that Mal's deepest, darkest fantasy is living in a place only inhabited by other women, and enjoying simple, practical breakfast foods instead of having to deal with Joe's dank food hacks.
She's also a better writer than Joe. If she outsells his bonertome ('Please, Miss' (blech)), I wonder what kind of hissy fit he'll throw? How will he punish her? Will it involve sea buckthorn?
I wouldn't be surprised if Women's Hotel outsells all of Joe's books combined. I also wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't crack five figures. I'm betting Joe would be outwardly supportive (but with some backhanded compliments thrown in), but ramps up pics of himself, Lily and Rocco. (Maybe a bit of jealousy-fementing...so yes, his hissy fit has a strong chance of involving sea buckthorn.)

When I was young there was a funny sitcom about a women's hotel called the Martha Washington that was infiltrated by two men pretending to be women in dowdy frumpy attire looking terrible. Sort of like Joe. Mallory should have researched Bosom Buddies with Tom Hanks and Peter Scolari, might have made an entertaining subplot in her book where she could vent about her ridiculous husband with plausible deniability.

I do wonder if she's got a character somewhere based on Joe, and she's trying to figure out how to use them, and how much she needs to change to keep Joe from recognizing himself on the page. He'd make for a really fun addition to a humorous novel, where a more normal person encounters him in the kind of environment where he's putting on a maximum display of 'Look how avant-garde I am! Marvel at my hideous, expensive clothing! Gasp at my transgressive ideas! And be fully aware that I consider myself to be much smarter than everyone here!'
 
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