Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[The handsome tard]

It warns my heart that most of the fanbase seems to finally be reaching a mutual conclusion.


"In retrospect, Feloni kind of sucks."

Took the failure of Mando and Ahsoka to truly get through people Feloni isnt a savior but another cog in the disney Star Wars system, he just happens to be a prettier one with some merit to his name due to good past projects.

Feloni wants to tell his own stories, even if the universe has got to adapt around said stories instead of otherwise. It becomes very distracting and Ahsoka as a character is one of the biggest examples of it, her presence doesnt feel natural anymore. She fit during the Clone Wars and early Rebels era but post RoTJ and its just feeling so awkward that there is an apprentice of Anakin running around, having stories that were once meant for the actual leads of the main narrative (dont play dumb, Feloni, you are making your own version of Heir to the Empire but with your OC instead of the fucking hero of the story). Ahsoka started with Lucas's approval because, ultimately, she would serve her purpose of either dying during the Clone Wars (and further fuel Anakin's hatred of everything) or dying to Vader (to further make it clear how vile Vader is now), but no, she keeps living on because she isnt serving the lore anymore, the lore is serving her.

Its just tiresome at best and really scummy at worst and I dont get why, its not like Feloni couldnt start his own IP, his fans would def. follow him there. But no, he will keep shoving his OCs way beyond their expiration dates and you will like it.

At least Im glad that people are waking up to his bullshit and the hate towards Ahsoka is making an overdue comeback. But it just kind of shows how bad the situation at Lucasfilms is since many really wanted to believe badly that there was someone in there that is in it for the fans.

Not to give into the retarded 'force is female' disinfo about how Marcia "Saved Star Wars" but the edits that she (AND OTHERS) put into ANH and were able to convince George to go with greatly improved the movie. They added real weight, tension and stakes to the battle of Yavin which would have just been "the random ass battle of the death star" if the orignal cut had been kept. Han wouldn't be as memorable if he wasn't re-edited to be showing up just in the nick of time instead of just joining the good guys.
Lucas' vision needs a filter and at bare minimum someone to write his dialogue.

Lucas needed someone, or several someones, to reign him in and polish off some of the sperg from his works. ANH got that. ESB got that. RotJ got that in part but not enough - he was big enough that no one could really tell him no. And the prequels he had no one to keep him on the ranch. But you look at stuff like the clip of him looking at art samples for Grievous and you can tell he still had the eye.

Most ladies in the industry during that time actually earned their spot with talent., tho that led to a very low number of them. Which was fine until suddenly it wasnt.

A movie is almost never a solo business.

The way the Empire was written in the SWEU, it felt like the people writing those books actually went to school and studied how empires ran and made a realistic facsimile of it with the Empire. They commit atrocities, but they appease enough people to look the other way and stay loyal. Even how they handle aliens was historically realistic; yes, they thought most aliens were scum, but they still provided stability for them and even had alliances with some alien leaders and groups, enough that some aliens are willing to serve the Empire as bounty hunters and mercenaries. The Ailons, the Hutts, the Chiss, and the Trandoshans served the Empire well.

There is also the fact that it was best the devil you know with many people, even aliens. The Empire was bad but it was "familiar" and they did have the trains arrive on time if you could handle the ocassional racism thrown your way. After the old Republic has been shown to be highly corrupt and incompetent on its final years, even to the point it may have intentionally extended the clone wars for the sake of profit (sounds familiar?), many werent exactly looking forward to having all that shit back but with a "New" on the front.

Many supported the empire not becuase they necessarily AGREE with it, mostly because they felt there was really no better solution and the rebels are fighting to restore a system that may look "nicer" but is worse in the long run (which...uhhh, given how the New Republic is like in the Disney canon, maybe they were onto something).

The Imperium is anarchic. The only thing holding it together is the threat of being bombed if they don’t pay taxes. Such taxes are to keep producing so much stuff to fund wars that it drives rulers to be cruel to their people, to not care about the environment or worker health. 20 hour shifts every day and so on. It’s British history driven to the extreme. Industrial Revolution child labor and destructive coal mining while London is being bombed by football hooligans and a bunch of weirdos in big hats are burning witches.

And there are people who unironically want to live in that universe...Kind of ignoring they will not be a badass.

As for how Anakin looks in RotJ, just keep in mind that most of his skin is synthetic with cheap materials and Palpatine had purposely constructed Vader to be very shitty and junky, something he did to purposely cause anguish in Anakin because he's such a tech whiz that he's aware the entire time he's being built that he's being made to be a piece of shit (I love this detail from the RotS novel, it completely changes the meaning of Anakin screams of pure rage when he's being put together in the movie) so yeah Anakin isn't going to look like Ryan Gosling in RotJ, he's gonna look like shit and unrecognizable, that's the point.

Anakin's body was fucked over by Mustafar and Obi-wan's slashes very hard, it is honestly a "miracle" he was still alive when Sideous found him.

Sideous COULD have made the Vader suit relatively comfortable and even allow some of his skin to breath and get some sunlight but that would require him to care about Anakin and not want to punish him severely for losing to KENOBI of all Jedi. He isnt in the suit to survive, he is in the suit to be punished, by Sideous and the galaxy for his misdeeds.

The only reason Anakin didnt stick his lightsaber through his head was because Sith ideology is all about preserving one's existence (if anything, they would be very much against suicide) and it was all he had left...also I can imagine there was an element of getting even with this cruel galaxy he once wanted to save.

 

[Welf Welf]

I remember being flamed on Star Wars fansites (remember when those existed?) in 2008/2009 for hating Filoni and what he was doing to Star Wars. Fifteen years later, I am vindicated by popular opinion. I can't say it feels good.

 

[Sneedmiser]

I remember being flamed on Star Wars fansites (remember when those existed?) in 2008/2009 for hating Filoni and what he was doing to Star Wars. Fifteen years later, I am vindicated by popular opinion. I can't say it feels good.

I can. Fuck them, they got what they deserved. Everyone who deepthroated him over his overrated kid's cartoon and happily gobbled up complete slop between the Disney buyout and TLJ/TROS are now eating crow.

 

[BullfrogBill]

She fit during the Clone Wars and early Rebels era but post RoTJ and its just feeling so awkward

Even when Clone Wars was new I disliked it because it felt like the EU wasn't even a consideration with the creative direction. Ahsoka just doesn't make sense in the EU lore and there's many other inconsistencies with EU books that I always just ignored that show. Filoni did say in an interview that he doesn't think the EU is real Star Wars but that his version is, stating that the EU is fan fiction. As if Ahsoka isn't one of the most "fan fiction" characters out there.

But as an animated side project you're right that Ahsoka worked better in just the frame of the one show and I'd argue the entirety of Filoni's Clone Wars show is better when watched as nothing more than it's own thing. It's just odd seeing it everywhere now and you have these cartoon network cartoon characters over writing the original characters.

Anakin's body was fucked over by Mustafar and Obi-wan's slashes very hard, it is honestly a "miracle" he was still alive when Sideous found him

The only reason Anakin didnt stick his lightsaber through his head was because Sith ideology is all about preserving one's existence

It's miracle what the dark side will do with pure hatred and vindictivness, which is the only reason Anakin was still alive on Mustafar. Vader did try to kill himself in a few comic book stories but it always ended with his hatred keeping him alive again. It's implied the biggest reason Anakin died in RotJ is because he no longer had any of the hatred for the dark side to feed from.

 

[Screamer_2]

Feloni just isn't good enough to take the lead on prime time Star Wars content for the wider audience. How many people are here or do we know that are big Star Wars fans and never or barely watched any of the Clone Wars?

There was some expectation for Feloni crossing to live action. The colab with The Mandolorian started out fine, but that show went downhill. That Ashoka series was meh. It wasn't terrible, but that was his audition to the fans to move into live action with full control. It severely underdelivered what it should have done.

Andor is the only bright spot for TV, but that's got one season and it's gone.

Disney seems to mainly want to hire the wrong people to make stuff as evidenced by Kenobi and The Acolyte. So Feloni is the only hope we have and we already have seen what he does and it's not good enough for what we want. He simply hasn't proven himself to be able to take over the franchise yet, and I think he can't because he's got his whole own Star Wars universe he's created and lives in but most mainstream people don't know it.

 

[Clyde Cash's Left Teste]

Still think that Padme being six years older than Anakin and knowing him as a kid will never not be weird

 

[Imperial Citizen]

It's miracle what the dark side will do with pure hatred and vindictivness, which is the only reason Anakin was still alive on Mustafar. Vader did try to kill himself in a few comic book stories but it always ended with his hatred keeping him alive again. It's implied the biggest reason Anakin died in RotJ is because he no longer had any of the hatred for the dark side to feed from.

“You killed her because, finally, when you could have saved her, when you could have gone away with her, when you could have been thinking about her, you were thinking about yourself”

Anakin never killed himself because he wallowed in selfishness. His son’s belief in Anakin’s inherent goodness, his desire to protect others, that brought him back to the light side.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

There is also the fact that it was best the devil you know with many people, even aliens. The Empire was bad but it was "familiar" and they did have the trains arrive on time if you could handle the ocassional racism thrown your way. After the old Republic has been shown to be highly corrupt and incompetent on its final years, even to the point it may have intentionally extended the clone wars for the sake of profit (sounds familiar?), many werent exactly looking forward to having all that shit back but with a "New" on the front.

The racism already existed in the Old Republic. Many of the racists in the Empire were Old Republic veterans; Palpatine himself wasn't racist and actually had more than a few alien retainers in his court. But as you said, the Empire was at least familiar to aliens, even if the system fucking hated their guts because it was filled with Old Republic veterans who hated all the aliens who joined the Separatists.

Many supported the empire not becuase they necessarily AGREE with it, mostly because they felt there was really no better solution and the rebels are fighting to restore a system that may look "nicer" but is worse in the long run (which...uhhh, given how the New Republic is like in the Disney canon, maybe they were onto something).

The New Republic sucks in both continuities; the only thing they were good at was tearing things down; the Legends NR tearing apart the remnants of the Empire, the canon NR disassembling the Imperial Fleet. Building something new was something they sucked at. There were glimpses of the New Republic having the potential to be better, especially in the Jedi Knight games where they would send Jedi to meddle in Outer Rim affairs when the Empire and the Old Republic barely cared about places like Hutt Space. But after the Sequels and the New Jedi Order novels, the New Republic was dragged through the mud in both continuities; and at the end, it became a joke of a government where in both canons, they were about as useful as a screen door on a submarine.

Sideous COULD have made the Vader suit relatively comfortable and even allow some of his skin to breath and get some sunlight but that would require him to care about Anakin and not want to punish him severely for losing to KENOBI of all Jedi. He isnt in the suit to survive, he is in the suit to be punished, by Sideous and the galaxy for his misdeeds.

That, and if the suit was actually good, there's the chance Vader would topple Sidious easier. If he had a body similar to 2003 CW Grievous, combine that with a Sith artifact that would increase Vader's power even by a bit, and Palpatine would be dead in a fortnight.

 

[Ensok]

How many people are here or do we know that are big Star Wars fans and never or barely watched any of the Clone Wars?

Pretty much the reason I found KF and started posting here in general is because this thread is one of the few Star Wars places that didn't like Filoni's work.

 

[Vining]

Pretty much the reason I found KF and started posting here in general is because this thread is one of the few Star Wars places that didn't like Filoni's work.

8chan's /sw/ was like that years ago.

 

[Ghostse]

"In retrospect, Feloni kind of sucks."

I think Furloni worked best as sounding board for Lucas and I guess just shows as case of what Lucas brought to a production by reigning in the worst of his wolf-fucking orange jailbait fellating impulses. Now we have his Orange Jailbait being shoved everywhere, his retarded pirate constantly making appearances everytime there's an underworld element despite never being able to decide if he's a serious threat or incompetent comic relief, and when there is a decent character that was in his works offing them as soon as possible (Cad Bane)

 

[King Dead]

Pretty much the reason I found KF and started posting here in general is because this thread is one of the few Star Wars places that didn't like Filoni's work.

This thread is the whole reason I have an account in the first place, although I'd been lurking for years at that point. I'd been using it to follow the TRoS leaks and the Galaxy's Edge debacle (I miss you, user with the Zorak profile pic who I think changed names and I don't remember who they are anymore), and then right as the movie was about to come out, Null made the off-topic boards visible to members only for some reason. Obviously I had to make an account at that point, and the rest is history.

8chan's /sw/ was like that years ago.

Didn't help that 8chan went down post-Christchurch just a couple months prior, so I ramped up my lurking here while waiting for it to come back, then stayed here when it never truly did instead of following the diaspora to other chans. I miss a lot of those old boards though, /sw/ and /strek/ in particular, was good to have people to shitpost about the death of our favorite series together. But hey, at least now I have you guys!

Anyway, Furloni is a hack and he should never be in charge of anything creative ever again.

 

[Sneedmiser]

and when there is a decent character that was in his works offing them as soon as possible (Cad Bane)

Cad Bane was absolutely not offed as soon as possible. Like Ahsoka, he was a character Lucas wanted dead, but Filoni dragged his feet so long that, when it came time for Boba to fulfill the arc TCW gave him (which was worse than his arc in the young reader novels that came out along with the Prequels but is objectively probably the best arc in TCW), the show had been cancelled and Bane got to live.

So killing him in Book of Bobby Fart when he would be in his 90s (completely senile for a Duro) was a compromise, and I'm pretty sure that still came from Favreau or another producer on BOBF.

He'll probably be in one of the Outlaws DLCs, along with Hondo Ohnaka, who has even thicker plot armor than Ahsoka does.

 

[Illuminati Order Official]

He'll probably be in one of the Outlaws DLCs, along with Hondo Ohnaka, who has even thicker plot armor than Ahsoka does.

I wouldn't expect any DLCs for this flop. Ubislop is probably focus all his remaining manpower on salvaging Assassin's Creed.

 

[The handsome tard]

Cad Bane was absolutely not offed as soon as possible. Like Ahsoka, he was a character Lucas wanted dead, but Filoni dragged his feet so long that, when it came time for Boba to fulfill the arc TCW gave him (which was worse than his arc in the young reader novels that came out along with the Prequels but is objectively probably the best arc in TCW), the show had been cancelled and Bane got to live.

So killing him in Book of Bobby Fart when he would be in his 90s (completely senile for a Duro) was a compromise, and I'm pretty sure that still came from Favreau or another producer on BOBF.

He'll probably be in one of the Outlaws DLCs, along with Hondo Ohnaka, who has even thicker plot armor than Ahsoka does.

Apparently Hondo is still alive during the Sequel trilogy and apparently looking quite decent for a man his age. Im sure they are going to pretend that his race ages slower or something.

God, Disney's Star Wars is such a bore...

I wouldn't expect any DLCs for this flop. Ubislop is probably focus all his remaining manpower on salvaging Assassin's Creed.

Pointlessly because nothing short of resetting the whole game with the original non DEI version is going to save it (and they aint doing that, they legally cant). And even if they do that, A.C as a franchise really is running on fumes and the good faith that they can somehow recapture the highs of Black Flag.

Ubisoft much rather sink the ship with their chins held arrogantly high before ever changing course.


Sad to see that the star wars brand might actually have reached a point where its best to not risk making games based off of it.

 

[Sneedmiser]

I wouldn't expect any DLCs for this flop. Ubislop is probably focus all his remaining manpower on salvaging Assassin's Creed.

They promised two DLC for the season pass, so they either have to refund at least $30 to everyone who bought the collector's edition (which would lose them even more money) or just release the DLC that are already mostly done. So it's going to have 2 DLC, if only because Ubisoft are required to release them.

Apparently Hondo is still alive during the Sequel trilogy and apparently looking quite decent for a man his age. Im sure they are going to pretend that his race ages slower or something.

Much like Cad Bane he should also be dead of old age before ROS, but somehow he was in that fleet at the end and he got to write the epilogue to the 'Saga'.

What shameful garbage.

 

[remiem]

he just happens to be a prettier one with some merit to his name due to good past projects.

As someone who hated this man from the moment I saw Ahsoka Tano and her storyline, I am delighted.

That said.

What good past projects? By all metrics literally everything he's done has ended up as a failure with most of it barely lasting into two seasons. TCW which represented what was meant to be his 'laurels' in terms of a project was cancelled and it wasn't because of the merger. If the show was good and the sales were good, they'd have kept it going because he joined with Disney- it's not like the comics by Dark Horse where the license was lost, Dave was still there. It ended because it wasn't profitable. For god's sake Dora the Explorer has more seasons than anything he's done.

Not to mention any project he becomes more involved in basically immediately turns to rubbish because he's gotta inset one of his ladies into it to wank too. Mando, Boba, etc. His homage to other properties constantly is utter cringe. When his personal characters don't hold attention he desperately crawls to the old EU and plucks a character out to use to regain interest, while often shitting all over what people liked about that character to begin with because they cannot be better than his own ideas. That's not even touching on what he did to the Mandos. I'm sure it steams his balls that the EU version of the culture had such a devoted fanbase and cosplay sector and his efforts to downplay their popularity and shitting all over their lore was not well met.

Dude is the definition of failing upward. He's probably called to Kathleen's office once a week where she drops her pants so he can kiss her ass for how many chances he's gotten.

 

[Vining]

This thread is the whole reason I have an account in the first place, although I'd been lurking for years at that point. I'd been using it to follow the TRoS leaks and the Galaxy's Edge debacle (I miss you, user with the Zorak profile pic who I think changed names and I don't remember who they are anymore), and then right as the movie was about to come out, Null made the off-topic boards visible to members only for some reason. Obviously I had to make an account at that point, and the rest is history.

Didn't help that 8chan went down post-Christchurch just a couple months prior, so I ramped up my lurking here while waiting for it to come back, then stayed here when it never truly did instead of following the diaspora to other chans. I miss a lot of those old boards though, /sw/ and /strek/ in particular, was good to have people to shitpost about the death of our favorite series together. But hey, at least now I have you guys!

Anyway, Furloni is a hack and he should never be in charge of anything creative ever again.

8ch/sw/ is where I got my batch of SW memes/photoshoops. I miss that board, they were talented shitposters.

 

[Mystery Spy]

Filoni only seemed better in comparision because all the others were basically activists hijacking Star Wars to preach the message. Filoni is a glorified fanfic writer that loves his OCs too much.

On a side note, His Ashoka wank is bad, but lets not forget how he had his other OC, Bo-Katan, pretty much steal the spotlight and achivements from Din Djarin (the black saber for example). Or how Sabine Wren was retconed to be force sensitive. No, actually it was worse than that. He retconed how the force works just so his OC could be more awesome, and special:

https://screenrant.com/star-wars-everyone-become-jedi-sabine-force-potential/

I just read the news by the way. I still refuse to watch Disney Wars crap.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

Filoni only seemed better in comparision because all the others were basically activists hijacking Star Wars to preach the message. Filoni is a glorified fanfic writter that loves his OCs too much.

On a side note, His Ashoka wank is bad, but lets not forget how he had his other OC ,Bo-Katan pretty much steal the spotlight and achivements from Din Djarin (the black saber for example). or how Sabine Wren was retconed to be force sensitive. Actually it was worse than that. He retconed how the force works just so his OC could have more powers:

https://screenrant.com/star-wars-everyone-become-jedi-sabine-force-potential/

I just read the news by the way. I still refuse to watch Disney Wars crap.

Yeah, modern Western media is such shit I need to have an EFAP filter over it now. Actually watching it as intended is too annoying now.