YABookgate

Hope they got an absolutely stellar payout, sheesh, because I get the impression Naver took everything from this person while saying, "Yeah, whatever, you can still make some hard copies for your friends." These companies exist to snap up intellectual properties in the hopes they strike gold. Examples of contracts from similar platforms contain absolutely draconian terms. I'm wondering if there were any termination or reversion clauses in whatever they signed.
Yeah, it looks like they got scammed pretty badly, and then spent a while in denial and damage control mode. The impression I had was that the author wasn't very good at the business end of things, as if you look at their historical Patreon earnings, they were pretty minimal compared to the popularity of the series, which had been running since 2015. That spike in early 2021 was when they finally started trying to figure out a better monetization model, and I believe started offering some early chapter releases and bonus side-chapters via Patreon. Up until then it was basically a tip jar.

Hopefully they learned their lesson though, because their current series, Pale Lights, is one of the best rated on RoyalRoad, and bringing in around $6,000 a month on Patreon via early chapter releases. It's also pretty high quality relative to the typical fare on RoyalRoad. Their experience with TPGTE ought to have made them wary of publishing deals with a juicy advance and otherwise predatory terms.

These companies exist to snap up intellectual properties in the hopes they strike gold. Examples of contracts from similar platforms contain absolutely draconian terms. I'm wondering if there were any termination or reversion clauses in whatever they signed.
Ideally there was some sort of clause about "if works are not published within 5-10 years, rights revert to the author", but I doubt it. If Naver imploded, they might have a shot at buying back the rights for pennies on the dollar in a few years though. But at that point, the existing audience attention will have moved on, and it will be much harder to rebuild that momentum for an edited ebook release or limited print run.
 
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Share with us the skill floor of "well-written". Like, what does a piece have or lack that makes you categorize it as well-written or poorly-written.

Personally there's a lot of moving parts that have to play together.

The mechanical parts of writing - There's just some people that cannot string a sentence together and these are the ones who get the most value out of ChatGPT and other similar programs

There's this subtle undertow of actual storytelling which is the stuff that gets learned later on. Things like foreshadowing, showing not telling, points of view. This is where the AI writing falls apart - the actual AI writing is excellent nowadays but there will be odd disconnects like, "It looked like it was going to rain so Jenny put her raincoat back in the closet" or "John put on his shoes and then his socks." or "Mario was going too fast so he pressed the accelerator firmly" or "after the massacre was over the remaining family walked away smiling."

Shitty writers will - weirdly - not pick up on this!

Of course the story has to be good, I remember one magazine telling people the GTFO with their shitty self-insert fiction of their cheating girlfriend being stabbed by an evil clown mid-coitus with some Chad.

Why would YA "take off" if fantasy & SF were being relegated to the back of the store? Was it just bad marketing on the part of publishers?

Possibly a little bit of both. There was a weird transitional stage (after Harry Potter kicked off but certainly solidified by the mid-2000s and Twilight) when YA stories began to have more SF/F elements than just being primarily contemporary. If a publisher had a book to sell, they'd follow the path of whichever shelf was the most visible, and really encourage authors to age down protagonists..
 
I guess Royal Road isn't the place you would post short fiction. Are there any places like Royal Road but with a 1930s Weird Tales type of content?
If you were happy with it you could look at submitting to Analog or Asimovs.

Not every pro-mag is frustratingly leftist. If you look at what is being solicited on the Submission Grinder (a general market site of magazines and publishers seeking submissions) there is a wide range of requests - apolitical and political.
 
They have no intention of going for traditional publishing and instead opted to make money through patreon. And it's easier to string your already paying patreon along with 1000+ chapters making 10k a month rather than starting a new one. And there's only so much character development to be have, but you can make number go up forever.
Doesn't sound like such a bad way to make money. Just churn out a few chapters a week and have autists pay you for it.
 
If you were happy with it you could look at submitting to Analog or Asimovs.

Not every pro-mag is frustratingly leftist. If you look at what is being solicited on the Submission Grinder (a general market site of magazines and publishers seeking submissions) there is a wide range of requests - apolitical and political.
I'm only interested as a reader.
 
That line goes hard in the right context though.
The outside of the Tombs. Dark, without a star in the sky.

“The night is long.”

Inside. The Scarecrow lies silently in front of Robin, looking at Batman hunched over the pipes.

Robin: “I can hear a siren. Sirens.”

Robin looks uncertainly at Batman.

Robin: “Shouldn’t—shouldn’t we do something?”

Batman turns away to look at Robin, the Gotham sky behind him now tinged slightly red.

Robin: “Batman?”

Closeup. Batman is smiling?
 
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Has publishing abandoned teen boys?

CommentOct 18, 2024by JJ Arcanjo
Teen boys can be tempted back to books, but the industry needs to refocus its efforts.

Recently, I asked social media a question—are we ready to have the ‘there is nothing out there for teen boy readers’ discussion yet? What transpired on that thread was authors, booksellers, librarians, readers and parents all chiming in with fascinating responses. By far the most common was that there is a dearth of books for boys in the post-Middle Grade space.

Now, MG is filled with wonderful books for boys, but Teen and YA unquestionably lean towards girl readers. During my school talks all over this country, I’ve heard boys say: "I can never find a book I like" or, "Yours is the first book I’ve read in ages". You might think hearing that is nice, but more than anything it’s frustrating. Because it means publishing isn’t serving them in the way they deserve. And if this industry isn’t serving its young readers, particularly at a time when you either capture them for life or lose them forever, then change is desperately needed.

A crucial point made on the thread was that all Teen publishing is underserved. I agree, and there seems to be two key reasons for this. The first is that there is no industry-accepted term for children 13-16. ’Teen’ is a term that is sometimes used, but it’s by no means universally acknowledged. While some online retailers have a Teen and YA category, most brick-and-mortar bookshops have either a Teen or YA section, not both. Which means that a 15-year-old walking into a bookshop must make their way through countless books that are not written with them in mind before they find one that is. This is particularly true for teen boys, who are increasingly unlikely to find books for them on tables or face-out on shelves. Booksellers are well aware of this, and I’m convinced that it’s only with their knowledge and expertise that that boy would walk away with a book that is for him.

Somewhere along the way, publishing has convinced itself that it doesn’t know how to market books for teens, particularly teen boys.

Somewhere along the way, publishing has convinced itself that it doesn’t know how to market books for teens, particularly teen boys. I want you to think about the last time you read a book that had a 14, 15 or 16-year-old protagonist. Nothing come to mind? That’s because if your protagonist is aged 15, an agent/publisher will often ask you to age them up or down, depending on the themes and content of your story. This is understandable. They want to fit your story into a package they believe they do know how to market. Another concern they have is: who is the person buying Teen books? In MG, most books are bought by parents. In YA, particularly with the rise of BookTok, it’s likely to be the readers themselves. Appealing to parents vs teens requires a very different strategy in terms of cover approach, marketing and messaging.

These are legitimate concerns, and yet the biggest publication children’s books has seen in years, Skandar and the Unicorn Thief by A F Steadman, which became a massive international bestseller, is a boy-led Upper MG/Teen book. So the reality is that the industry can absolutely market Teen… when it wants to. Which brings us to another great point made: there are books for teen boys out there already, but they are simply not supported by their publishers. Skandar is an outlier. Most writers will never have that level of marketing support, especially those writing boy-led Teen books. That’s because publishing has convinced itself of another fallacy—teen boys don’t read. Skandar’s success disproves this, but so too does the rise of graphic novels and manga, a genre boys have flocked to in their millions because they are far better served there. Boy readers will go where they are welcome—and right now, by not marketing and promoting the few authors who are writing for them, publishing is showing boys they are unwelcome.

The final response I want to discuss is that books are genderless, able to appeal to all young readers. This is an argument I somewhat agree with, but I’m not sure publishing does. My own MG debut, Crookhaven, was acquired as a ‘boy lead title’, with a definite strategy to target boy readers. The protagonist, a boy, starts the series at 13 years old and will end it at 18 years old. What I have found fascinating about this is that in the international territories where my publishers have gone out strongly with ’this is a boy-led book’, the book has sold far better. That, again, contradicts the publishing view that boys don’t read. They do, and voraciously, but only if you publish, market and promote books that have them in mind. It’s my sincere hope that publishing will come to understand this and do all it can to entice the teen boys they have so desperately neglected back to reading, before it’s too late.

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JJ Arcanjo is the bestselling author of the Crookhaven series, which includes The School for Thieves, The Forgotten Maze and The Island Heist, and has so far sold in 15 languages worldwide. He spent four years working in editorial at Bloomsbury.
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That’s because publishing has convinced itself of another fallacy—teen boys don’t read. Skandar’s success disproves this, but so too does the rise of graphic novels and manga, a genre boys have flocked to in their millions because they are far better served there. Boy readers will go where they are welcome—and right now, by not marketing and promoting the few authors who are writing for them, publishing is showing boys they are unwelcome.
"Teen boys don't read" is just the fag hags at the publishing houses barely disguising their hatred of boys and men.
 
"Teen boys don't read" is just the fag hags at the publishing houses barely disguising their hatred of boys and men.
I can see why they focus in the women now that some girl I dated in college has decided to become a booktoker and spams vids all day.

These women consume a shocking amount of literary junkfood every single month.
 
I know this is a month late, I am catching up with old posts.

I have no idea who this person is, but from the first five seconds it exudes overwhelming amounts of 'tism energy. A few seconds later, the phrase 'book throne' just cements it. Absolutely captivating.

Thanks for sharing it.
He's basically like avgn for shitty book, only he actually cares and it isn't just motherfucker mike doing everything in the background. and yeah he has massive doses of white autism. I appreciate it because the style of it reminds me of old internet.
 
really don't know what audience they're trying to chase. Most Royal Road users seem to be the kinds of people who get off on power fantasies instead of porn.
For these types, the true fetish has less to do with guys fucking each other in the ass and more getting to overrun yet another site with content aimed at young men with an alternative aimed at retarded foids and faggots.
I'm so tired of hearing about how fucked literacy is. They don't even teach phonics now. They just hope kids pick up stuff or memorize words for testing. God.
This genuinely fucking terrifies me. When I was a kid schools were pushing literacy HARD. I am surprised to see that they apparently just stopped doing that? Is it because of COVID? Niggers?

When I have a kid we are working on reading non-stop. No spawn of mine is going to be too retarded to read LOTR.
why would you let some South Korean company take a cut?
Artists and authors are generally quite retarded and desperate for a romanticized big break. Companies like Webtoon take advantage of this gullibility to profit.
"Teen boys don't read" is just the fag hags at the publishing houses barely disguising their hatred of boys and men.
What I heard from one of these hags is that they don't target boys because they're too busy playing videogames.

"Boys want action and stuff. They are all too busy playing videogames to read." Is exactly what she told me.
 
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