Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[LORD IMPERATOR]

George Lucas at one point in the past did say he envisioned lightsabers as being very heavy, one of the things he disagreed with the Expanded Universe on because the books established that lightsabers are very light to a disorienting degree if you aren't used to using them. Lucas' idea that the lightsabers should be heavy doesn't seem to add up with the saber duels in the prequel films he directed though. If I can find a clip of George saying this I'll post it.

That's because those books were canon. And he couldn't just erase them without looking like a massive tool. This isn't Warhammer 40K where Games Workshop goes out and says ''there is no canon'' to justify the fact that they add lore-breaking shit like the Primaris Marines and Female Custodes. Lucasfilm pumped out books that had the Jedi act as if their lightsabers were lightweight, and if Lucas went out and told everyone those books lied to everyone, his company's image would be damaged, and that would fuck with his profits, especially since the books were profitable.

Not to mention that the Prequels were made for "that crowd" of SWEU fans who loved the lore and ate it all up. The Prequels were shot with the intent that the SWEU was canon. So much so that things like double-bladed lightsabers (Tales of the Jedi) and Palpatine's obsession with immortality (Dark Empire) were worked into the plot. So no shit, Lucas changed the PT duels to match what the EU was doing. Not to mention that it makes for good cinematic battles, and the kids always loved that over the stiff, power-attack duels of yore. And it fits with the Jedi idea of being enlightened souls, to be able to fight in a serene and beautiful manner.

 

[BullfrogBill]

That's because those books were canon. And he couldn't just erase them without looking like a massive tool. This isn't Warhammer 40K where Games Workshop goes out and says ''there is no canon'' to justify the fact that they add lore-breaking shit like the Primaris Marines and Female Custodes. Lucasfilm pumped out books that had the Jedi act as if their lightsabers were lightweight, and if Lucas went out and told everyone those books lied to everyone, his company's image would be damaged, and that would fuck with his profits, especially since the books were profitable.

Not to mention that the Prequels were made for "that crowd" of SWEU fans who loved the lore and ate it all up. The Prequels were shot with the intent that the SWEU was canon. So much so that things like double-bladed lightsabers (Tales of the Jedi) and Palpatine's obsession with immortality (Dark Empire) were worked into the plot. So no shit, Lucas changed the PT duels to match what the EU was doing. Not to mention that it makes for good cinematic battles, and the kids always loved that over the stiff, power-attack duels of yore. And it fits with the Jedi idea of being enlightened souls, to be able to fight in a serene and beautiful manner.

I find it super interesting that George went out of his way to make the Expanded Universe fans happy with the prequels and make them fit into that lore, Aayla Secura was an Expanded Universe character that made her way into AotC and Quinlan Vos was planned to have an appearance in RotS that was scrapped for whatever reason. It's interesting because there was so much in the EU that George didn't like or agree with, especially regarding the original trilogy characters. He famously hated Mara Jade and that they had clones of Palpatine. He hated that Luke got married and had a kid and that they killed Chewbacca. So many things he was very vocal about detesting in the Expanded Universe.

It's kind of endearing to me that despite these issues he had with the EU he still wanted to make the fans of it happy with those 3 movies and I'm very thankful for that. When it comes to George Lucas' original plans for the sequel trilogy, the Expanded Universe actually really hindered those because he couldn't make it work within that canon. Contrary to what a lot of people want to believe, The Force Awakens is actually very faithful to George's original plans. So there was no reality where George's sequels could be made and have taken place within the Expanded Universe unless he re-wrote the entire concept from the ground up to fit in the Expanded Universe (if only he did this).

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

I find it super interesting that George went out of his way to make the Expanded Universe fans happy with the prequels and make them fit into that lore, Aayla Secura was an Expanded Universe character that made her way into AotC and Quinlan Vos was planned to have an appearance in RotS that was scrapped for whatever reason. It's interesting because there was so much in the EU that George didn't like or agree with, especially regarding the original trilogy characters. He famously hated Mara Jade and that they had clones of Palpatine. He hated that Luke got married and had a kid and that they killed Chewbacca. So many things he was very vocal about detesting in the Expanded Universe.

Lucas was responsible for the Palpatine clone plot. He literally took a more low-key story about a Dark Jedi disguising as Vader and using superweapons to scare the NR and changed it into Palpatine coming back through clones. He was not OK with some Dark Jedi impostor dressing up as Darth Vader, but he was OK with bringing back the Emperor.

It's kind of endearing to me that despite these issues he had with the EU he still wanted to make the fans of it happy with those 3 movies and I'm very thankful for that. When it comes to George Lucas' original plans for the sequel trilogy, the Expanded Universe actually really hindered those because he couldn't make it work within that canon. Contrary to what a lot of people want to believe, The Force Awakens is actually very faithful to George's original plans. So there was no reality where George's sequels could be made and have taken place within the Expanded Universe unless he re-wrote the entire concept from the ground up to fit in the Expanded Universe (if only he did this).

I'm not so sure. Lucas wanted a more low-key plotline with Darth Maul running criminal syndicates, hence why he revived Maul in TCW because he was gearing up to use him in EP7. Only for Filoni to toss that shit away and make it so that Maul dies like a chump.

 

[BullfrogBill]

I'm not so sure. Lucas wanted a more low-key plotline with Darth Maul running criminal syndicates, hence why he revived Maul in TCW because he was gearing up to use him in EP7. Only for Filoni to toss that shit away and make it so that Maul dies like a chump.

I do think I remember hearing that Maul was gonna appear in George's original plans, such a wasted opportunity not bringing Ray Park back for their gay Kenobi show, make way for whatever that dyke's name is instead. I guess they have Filoni to thank for that too, but there was probably no saving that shit anyway. Ray Park dodged a bullet really.

But when you look into George's original sequel plans lots of what's in TFA and even some of Last Jedi is there. Rey is in the plans not by name but as "scavenger girl", Ben Solo turning to the dark side was present, an exiled hermit Luke training the scavenger girl to be a jedi is present in his original plans. Not everything from his original plans made it to the movies but a lot did, which convinces me that I wouldn't have liked those movies even if it was 100% George's vision. But that's fine imo.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

I do think I remember hearing that Maul was gonna appear in George's original plans, such a wasted opportunity not bringing Ray Park back for their gay Kenobi show, make way for whatever that dyke's name is instead. I guess they have Filoni to thank for that too, but there was probably no saving that shit anyway. Ray Park dodged a bullet really.

But when you look into George's original sequel plans lots of what's in TFA and even some of Last Jedi is there. Rey is in the plans not by name but as "scavenger girl", Ben Solo turning to the dark side was present, an exiled hermit Luke training the scavenger girl to be a jedi is present in his original plans. Not everything from his original plans made it to the movies but a lot did, which convinces me that I wouldn't have liked those movies even if it was 100% George's vision. But that's fine imo.

They would've still made it so that what the OT accomplished stuck, the Alliance establishing a government that works. Hence why the bad guys are just crooks led by a Sith Assassin instead of another Space Hitler.

 

[Rick The Stick]

He was not OK with some Dark Jedi impostor dressing up as Darth Vader, but he was OK with bringing back the Emperor.

George is such a shithead

 

[Quarterback Rex Grossman]

I find it super interesting that George went out of his way to make the Expanded Universe fans happy with the prequels and make them fit into that lore

Nibba was going to rename Coruscant until Rick "The Man" McCallum convinced him to keep it.

 

[The handsome tard]

It's miracle what the dark side will do with pure hatred and vindictivness, which is the only reason Anakin was still alive on Mustafar. Vader did try to kill himself in a few comic book stories but it always ended with his hatred keeping him alive again. It's implied the biggest reason Anakin died in RotJ is because he no longer had any of the hatred for the dark side to feed from.

The Dark Side is the struggle against things you cant control, one of them being death so it makes sense that it helps keeping you alive way beyond what a normal person would have just croaked. With that said, I doubt that Vader could have stayed alive for very long without the breathing devices. All the dark side does is buy you time as you are too angry to die but even that had its limits.

He hated that Luke got married and had a kid

You know what, he is right, it's best Luke remains a lonely virgin and never have anyone to carry the Skywalker name onwards.

At least he should have all the Gross alien tiddy milk a man would ever want...for some reason.

Nibba was going to rename Coruscant until Rick "The Man" McCallum convinced him to keep it.

To what? Coruscant was a pretty fitting name.

 

[BullfrogBill]

I doubt that Vader could have stayed alive for very long without the breathing devices. All the dark side does is buy you time as you are too angry to die but even that had its limits.

Well Darth Maul was literally cut in half and he survived solely due to the dark side (and fan service), so Vader wasn't in too much danger considering.

You know what, he is right, it's best Luke remains a lonely virgin and never have anyone to carry the Skywalker name onwards.

Yeah It's pretty crazy lol. His reasoning is that jedi don't form attachments, especially romantic ones but I disagree that Luke's jedi order should be the exact same thing as the prequel jedi order. The events of the prequels are much better when they are a cautionary tale for Luke about the dangers that can occur when someone is forcibly cut off from emotions and feelings that are human. It's silly to think that Luke should make his new jedi order the exact same thing as the previous one with all the same flaws so that some other down on his luck jedi in the order will kill everyone and purge the jedi AGAIN.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

The Dark Side is the struggle against things you cant control, one of them being death so it makes sense that it helps keeping you alive way beyond what a normal person would have just croaked. With that said, I doubt that Vader could have stayed alive for very long without the breathing devices. All the dark side does is buy you time as you are too angry to die but even that had its limits.

So long as you have enough life to sacrifice, yours or someone else's, you can keep living. Like how Palpatine and Vitiate used body doubles, or how Nihilus sustained himself by draining the life energy of others. But like the Sith Emperor and the Sith spirits, it's not really living, because you'll be in constant spiritual agony and pain. Only people too angry to die will call that ''living''.

You know what, he is right, it's best Luke remains a lonely virgin and never have anyone to carry the Skywalker name onwards.

Well, there's Leia, and she was already set to marry Han, so Lucas thought Luke should've been more like a monk and be dedicated to the Force itself. Kind of like a Light-side version of Palpatine, at least spiritually. Married to your side of the Force.

George is such a shithead

Man loved glazing the Force. Instead of a Dark Jedi Vader impostor using superweapons, he has Palpatine come back and use Force storms and clone bodies to be a Dark Side menace. He later took a Wookiee game that was supposed to be about a furball going HULK SMASH and turned it into the Sith version of Devil May Cry. Lucas was being literal when he had Vader say that the Force was greater than the Death Star. I mean, he approved of the Tales of the Jedi comics where Naga Sadow was blowing up stars, and he's the reason we even had respawning Palpatine and Starkiller in the first place.

I think part of the reason why the Mando-fans and Jedi-haters hung onto Karen Traviss' works so much is because Lucas has the exact opposite opinion when it comes to the Force from them. They see Force-users as spoon-bending kooks, Lucas has Vader say that the Force can overcome the Death Star. They see Jedi as pathetic, bathrobe-wearing hippies, whereas Lucas has Jedi fighting like DBZ characters and beating guys like Dark Empire Palpatine. No wonder he allowed the creation of the Tales of the Jedi comics which had Force powers that go beyond Warhammer 40K levels of fuckery. You also had Lucas himself made the Jedi into wushu hyper-warriors in the Prequels.

Yeah It's pretty crazy lol. His reasoning is that jedi don't form attachments, especially romantic ones but I disagree that Luke's jedi order should be the exact same thing as the prequel jedi order. The events of the prequels are much better when they are a cautionary tale for Luke about the dangers that can occur when someone is forcibly cut off from emotions and feelings that are human. It's silly to think that Luke should make his new jedi order the exact same thing as the previous one with all the same flaws so that some other down on his luck jedi in the order will kill everyone and purge the jedi AGAIN.

He was OK with Leia forming attachments and getting married despite also potentially being a Jedi. It was just that he wanted Luke to be devoted religiously to the Light the way Palpatine was to the Dark Side.

 

[Illuminati Order Official]

Man loved glazing the Force. Instead of a Dark Jedi Vader impostor using superweapons, he has Palpatine come back and use Force storms and clone bodies to be a Dark Side menace.

He still had a superweapon. That he accidentally fired into his own capital planet at the end, destroying it.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

He still had a superweapon.

He did, but he also had OP Force powers as well.

That he accidentally fired into his own capital planet at the end, destroying it.

Wasn't that Artoo's doing?

 

[Vining]

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

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In his defense, many rebels are nonhuman, and the rebel humans can conceivably be called race traitors since the Empire spreads the values of Human High Culture.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

In his defense, many rebels are nonhuman, and the rebel humans can conceivably be called race traitors since the Empire spreads the values of Human High Culture.

Makes you wonder if the Sequel Resistance are actually the new Klan. Aside from Ackbar, everyone there is a human.

 

[Gorton Colu]

There was a strain of Human High Culture during the Old Republic, but I'm surprised that Palpatine embraced it. It must have been for purely pragmatic reasons as I can't see him being anything other than Palpatinephile and darksidesexual.

 

[Clyde Cash's Left Teste]

There was a strain of Human High Culturr during the Old Republic, but I'm surprised that Palpatine embraced. It must have been for purely pragmatic reasons as I can't see him being anything other than Palpatinephile and darksidesexual.

That's the great thing about Palpatine, he never really cared about species

 

[Judge Holden]

And the totally sixty billion % confirmed Rey sequel movie just lost its pencilled in writer....


Decided to peruse the official subs reddit thread to harvest some tears and I once again find myself confronted with the whiny "BUT DAISY RIDLEY IS SOOOOO TALENTED" spiel and I gotta fuckin ask....really?

Like her casting as Rey was hilariously fucking bad, and she played the role of what was allegedly some badass hardened survivor who spent their entire life on a hellish desert world like she was an upper class english theatre kid who had accidentally been left behind on the beach by her friends and was now just waiting for mummy and daddy to send the chauffeur round to bring her back to their third summer home (i.e. exactly and unironically who Ridley is IRL) and while I do try to give some leeway due to how fucking historically shit her script and role was she spectacularly failed to present anything beyond her own boring ass real world self in all her scenes.

I mean say what you like about Finn and...Poe? fuck its getting harder remembering their dumbass names....but they actually managed to portray characters with personalities which is such a hilariously low bar and yet this is apparently not fucking high enough. Fishface Ren is his own bucket of questionable acting decisions bathed in toxic positivity loads from the consoomers, but even he managed to have some questionable personality

I dunno, am I wrong and just being unfair here? Is there some other movie in which she manages to halfway act like its her job and not some mild hobby she dabbles in?

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

There was a strain of Human High Culture during the Old Republic, but I'm surprised that Palpatine embraced it. It must have been for purely pragmatic reasons as I can't see him being anything other than Palpatinephile and darksidesexual.

Not to mention that he had alien assistants himself; he only embraced Human High Culture for purely political reasons.

Makes you wonder if the Sequel Resistance are actually the new Klan. Aside from Ackbar, everyone there is a human.

Probably because no alien race was stupid enough to stick their neck out for that lost cause. At least, before Rise of Skywalker.

 

[MrJokerRager]

I for one, can't wait for TLJ to come out. I already plan on attending the premiere day as with TFA and Rogue One. I'm gonna be grabbing those tickets as soon as they drop!

But holy crap it's going to be hard to resist searching for major spoilers as we get closer to the film's release. They've been pretty tight on them this time around but with Star Wars being a huge franchise, it's bound to happen anyway.