Canada is a failed state

[DiscoRodeo]

I really felt it was a targeted operation using disenfranchised people as a pawn to further general distrust in the government.

Noone cares about Canada, the least of which is Russia

This theory "reasonably" explains the use of the emergency act if Trudeau "knew" (whatever that means - by official sealed documents or by some gut instinct, probably the first) that Russia was involved

If Russia was involved, he would have come out and said it by now, as the government has already been sued and the act was ruled unjustified, though of course, noone will be punished

and stoked the fires through bots and accounts online

They stoked the fires by saying 'hay, stand up for democracy'? They didnt even need to do bots and other things, but this is a standard liberal talking point. "Russia interfered with the election by adding a million bots to tell people Hillary bad, Donald Trump good"

Its like, barely a drop, if anything, in the already existing ecosystem- also see the past two points

I completely understand how/why people came to feel disenfranchised in the first place and such people are usually pretty vulnerable to suggestions.

Youre taking away their agency if you want to 'victimize' them as just disenfranchised people manipulated by Russia. This was not the case, the convoy was very much justified and grassroots. You should have stopped it at 'I completely understand why people came to feel disenfranchised, and then choose to protest the government'. Not every protest against your glorious liberal regime has to be from foreign interference. You sound like some pro-maduro or pro-ayatollah guy screaming that every protest is 'American manipulation' when these regimes are actually just really shit.

However, it would be pretty damn hard to explain how Russia managed to interfere enough to turn their own citizens against each other in such a dramatic fashion.

Because it didn't.

I saw Trudeau throw Jordan Peterson and Tucker Carlson under the bus yesterday for being paid Russian shills. The thing is - I believe him, not because Trudeau said it but because it seems kind of obvious.

Tucker is a multi millionaire. Peterson is also a multi millionaire. There's nothing obvious about this and this is just Trudeau flailing. You can bet if he had actual ammo like this, he wouldn't be trying to smear them legally on bogus charges like the way Peterson was basically disbarred for just wrongthink. This is about as obvious as 'Donald Trump is a Russian agent' and the Russiagate shit, just 8 years later.

The major success of what I attribute to Russia's campaign (could be someone else) was using the same type of propaganda technique they use in the States on much more unsuspecting people.

Stop.

The China stuff youre right, they are at the least aware that theyre sending deadly drugs into the US and don't care, and at worst probably think its a good thing and 'revenge' on the West;

but for India not even going to get to it, but this is surface level understanding of how intelligence operations work and India has its own bag of worms.

 

[Totallyunknown]

Yeah, God forbid you consider the convoy as foreign interference because you have personal feelings about it. That would be why the country is fucked - the foreign interference has brain washed people to turn against each other and it literally only takes one trigger word. That's how stupid average Canadians are thanks to this propaganda.

If you literally cannot see the advantage of having control of the country above America, I really cannot help you.

 

[DiscoRodeo]

Yeah, God forbid you consider the convoy as foreign interference because you have personal feelings about it.

God forbid I jump to conclusions about Russian interference in an era where liberals constantly tout Russiagate whenever something they dislike happens.

the foreign interference has brain washed people to turn against each other and it literally only takes one trigger word.

And pray tell, who is influencing Trudeau to create all these horrid and divisive policies?

That's how stupid average Canadians are thanks to this propaganda.

My guy, youre literally trying to say that dissatisfaction which caused the Truckers protest was Russian interference and criticism of the liberal regime a la Peterson is Russian interference.

If you literally cannot see the advantage of having control of the country above America, I really cannot help you.

I don't see any advantage in having control of this shithole.

 

[OutInTheRain]

Yeah, God forbid you consider the convoy as foreign interference because you have personal feelings about it. That would be why the country is fucked - the foreign interference has brain washed people to turn against each other and it literally only takes one trigger word. That's how stupid average Canadians are thanks to this propaganda.

If you literally cannot see the advantage of having control of the country above America, I really cannot help you.

I don't think you really understand just how much the US has the Canadian Government by the balls. When Canadian PMs step out of line, they are swiftly removed. Kennedy sent his election team to help remove Diefenbaker and possibly engaged in currency manipulation against the Canadian dollar so he could get Pearson in, and station BOMARC missiles in Canada.

Speaking of Pearson his stepping down came about shortly after his speech to the UN where he derided American intervention in Vietnam. An act that so incensed Johnson, that he had Pearson dragged to Camp David so he could yell at him personally. Or as the story goes shook him by the lapel while screaming "How dare you come into my house and shit on my rug!"

We act as if it is a sign of rebellion against American interests but, Trudeau's friendliness with Cuba was in service of a backdoor so the American government can meet with Cuban diplomats in a place where they call the shots, rather than Mexico or any other Latin America country where they wouldn't have that same level of control. So it was tolerated by the powers that be down south. He also benefited from a chaotic 1970s in America, were he was not the focus of anyone's true ire. Notice how in the early 80s he started to behave himself.

Chretien after deciding not to join the American invasion of Iraq stepped down soon after. All the things that became the sponsorship scandal were suddenly dropping, and he delayed the Auditor General's report until after his retirement. I don't think that timing was a coincidence.

Trudeau junior was directly pressured and probably threatened by the American government over the bridge blockade during the Freedom Convoy. Which is what probably lead to the emergencies act being used over anything else. Look at all the announcement of military purchases the Canadian Government has announced in the last several years. How many of them do you think came after a nasty phonecall from the American State Department?

All of Trudeau's policies are born in American think tanks. The US has been directly using Canada as a policy lab since Trudeau got in. This was facilitated by his former Chief of Staff Gerald Butts, like he did when he was Chief of Staff for Kathleen Wynne.

So yes there is foreign interference, but it mainly comes from down south. The idea that Russian Guyovitch, had somehow managed to engage in secure, undetected comms with the organizers of the Trucker Protest...to encourage them? Plan the op? I'm not sure what level of interference you believe happened. That Putin and the FSB were in the background, or Ji Xinping and whatever the Chinese version of the CIA is, cackling and guiding events is fantastical thought.

It also goes against to modus operandi of each nation. Chinese bribe a politicos family with the intention that money gets kicked back in exchange for favourable policy, and with the dispora they threaten families still in China while also bribing. The Russians engage in blackmail and honeypotting. What little Russian influence activites that seem to exist, exist to be caught to drive a wedge between the insane, terminally online statists and everyone else.

Current Western governments are destablizing their own nations with their own policy, they don't need anyone else's help or influence. It serves the interests of China and Russia to keep the status quo.

 

[Fapcop]

I saw Trudeau throw Jordan Peterson and Tucker Carlson under the bus yesterday for being paid Russian shills. The thing is - I believe him, not because Trudeau said it but because it seems kind of obvious.

Lol dumb.

Why would Russia care about Canada. Or an even more obvious question: Why TF would Russia pay people to say totally obvious, common sense things?

Shit, if they’re hiring, I’d love to help! Getting paid for pointing out clown world shit seems like a really sweet gig.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

preparing for war

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Fundamentally, Western institutions were not designed to deal with people actively seeking to subvert them. They were designed to be used honestly by honest and moral people.

That's simply untrue. Western institutions were developed either to keep the powerful group from losing its powers, and kept for historical reasons, or as a result of a corruption/mismanagement from a previous system/lack of one (and usually still to keep the balance of power in favour of the elites).

There's some weird modern idea that every institution must be kept because it was designed by people who somehow envisioned changed caused by technological changes.

 

[Fapcop]

To suggest Peterson is a paid Russian shill suggests that Russia invests into his rhetoric, probably mainly the transgender issue.

Again, this is retarded.

Let’s look at things logically.

Trudeau says someone is a Russian spy. That leaves three possibilities.

1: Trudeau is correct.
2: Trudeau is lying.
3: Trudeau is incompetent.

Given that no proof has been presented, and Trudeau’s long history of both 2 and 3, it doesn’t take a genius to conclude that he’s full of shit.

 

[HOMO FOR LIFE RETURNS]

Anyone who believes trudeau at this point would believe Canada is the great country on earth.

 

[Brutality]

Anyone who believes trudeau at this point would believe Canada is the great country on earth.

TruAnon

 

[Jetpack Himmler]

Given that no proof has been presented, and Trudeau’s long history of both 2 and 3, it doesn’t take a genius to conclude that he’s full of shit.

Look at the timing as well. A potential Liberal Party caucus revolt was the biggest story last weekend so what does he do on Thanksgiving Monday? Make a big announcement regarding the Indian diplomat. Later on in the week he lobs a couple political hand grenades by claiming that he has a list of former and current Conservative parliamentarians vulnerable to foreign influence (though he admitted Liberals were on that list under cross-examination). All of it is an attempt to deflect attention away from his party's turmoil, but it's not working. The only ones buying it are the TruAnon weirdos who will believe any conspiracy theory Trudeau throws out there.

 

[Maker's Mark]

It appears lower mainland BC feels the rest of the province hasn't suffered long enough under the NDP and have ordered up another four years of them.

 

[Ookoo Squad]

It appears lower mainland BC feels the rest of the province hasn't suffered long enough under the NDP and have ordered up another four years of them.

Eastern BC should just split and join Alberta. Not that it would ever be permitted to. Some Yanks are trying and failing to do the same thing just south of the border.

 

[Totallyunknown]

Honestly I think it's silly to think the guy who went to Russia to be put into a coma was not contacted by government officials there.

Russia is well known to use covert influence tactics across a variety of social media platforms. The Canadian government has continually criticized Russia for over a decade for a variety of reasons, including NATO. Which Russia feels strongly about in regards to Ukraine and already runs campaigns in America about it. I'm not talking about contacting the convoy leaders. I'm talking about them using social media, where most of the convoy started including Telegram and WhatsApp groups but also Twitter and Facebook. I'm saying Russian bots were involved in spreading misinformation and stoking the fires of already disenfranchised people. On a world scale, the convoy is pretty laughable on all fronts and achieved next to nothing but bringing shame to everyone involved. Only the cultist and zealots have an absolute dead strong belief that it was the bestest idea anyone ever had.

Not all operations are involved in the complete hostile take over of something. They can very well be "paid actors" just trying to use propaganda to mobilize a population for reasons.

I believe Trudeau is correct because he's not paid by Russia. His ties belong seemingly the most to China. The result was an actual cult of people who despise Trudeau as a personality and lifestyle which seems pretty beneficial when dealing with a country who sends money to your enemies.

I also believe Trudeau used this as a way to distract from his own crimes. But that doesn't mean it can't be true either. I don't support Trudeau or the convoy cultists and I think Peterson probably became a Russian shill considering the time he spent there and his disdain for the country anyways. Why can't Russia invest into something that's already hostile on its own to help boost his notoriety for their benefit?

I don't think the war is necessarily on the politicians. I think it's literally happening to the citizens. One does not need to go in and slaughter someone if you can convince them to kill themselves instead. I think all of the politicians are too stupid or paid off to understand that it's psychological warfare, not guns and bombs.

 

[last whitey in Toronto]

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Yes he is right. The NDP supposed to be the workers party yet the raghead leader only obsessed with helping his own people and bringing more of his kind here. Here is speaking in his filthy tounge and the other shitskins applauding him from stopping their deportations (because they all had fraudulent applications).

Funniest thing is that Karl Marx said immigration is the tool of the capitalist to reduce the workers strength in bargaining. We are facing a housing crisis and massive unemployment yet the worker party leader only care to bring more of his shitksin brethren. All of them are truly vile people from a country that is a shit hole cause of how nepotistic they are.

 

[Fapcop]

Look at the timing as well. A potential Liberal Party caucus revolt was the biggest story last weekend so what does he do on Thanksgiving Monday? Make a big announcement regarding the Indian diplomat. Later on in the week he lobs a couple political hand grenades by claiming that he has a list of former and current Conservative parliamentarians vulnerable to foreign influence (though he admitted Liberals were on that list under cross-examination). All of it is an attempt to deflect attention away from his party's turmoil, but it's not working. The only ones buying it are the TruAnon weirdos who will believe any conspiracy theory Trudeau throws out there.

It’s pathetic really.

From both sides.

We’ve become so demoralized, that people actually go “This guy must be paid by someone! He’s pointing out real obvious clown world shit and won’t shut up about it!”

Or like the truckers: “A hint of rebellion? People taking action? There must be some nefarious foreign actors inspiring this! It’s the only explanation since already has been buck broken!”

 

[OutInTheRain]

I'm talking about them using social media, where most of the convoy started including Telegram and WhatsApp groups but also Twitter and Facebook. I'm saying Russian bots were involved in spreading misinformation and stoking the fires of already disenfranchised people.

So...they saw no no things on social media, and decided to act. But if the Russians, hadn't allegedly placed that thought in the minds of the easily swayed boomers who ran the Freedom Convoy, then the Convoy would never had happened? That we would all be holding hands, if those Russian bots hadn't said vax bad? That these people have so little sense of self, that it's a Facebook post that spurs them to shut down the country? Not years of dealing with Trudeau's bullshit, not years of dealing with vax and COVID bullshit. It was Tiktok, that notorious boomer platform, beloved by the old and blue collar.

Also misinformation comes from governments, from people it's called an opinion.

 

[Fapcop]

Honestly I think it's silly to think the guy who went to Russia to be put into a coma was not contacted by government officials there

You know what’s even more silly? That whole line of thought.

What would the point has been? “That thing you’re doing? Keep doing it!”

It’s like people have collectively taken a stupid pill, and don’t realize that those mean russkies don’t need to encourage anyone. There’s plenty of divisions already.

This whole “Bots spreading misinformation” shit is really telling. THIS is how the people who rule us, see us. As pathetic sheep who can’t organize or have an original thought without some outside force encouraging it.

 

[Totallyunknown]

We’ve become so demoralized, that people actually

Still trust a man that had a benzo addiction and only eats meat who went to Russia to be put into a coma as if two people at the same time can't be pieces of shit.

The convoy leaders, first of all, were not boomers. They were middle aged, unless Tamara Lich and that fat guy are boomers under the age of 50. I'm sure someone will debate they weren't the leaders even though they've taken the majority of the fall for it.

If memory serves me correctly, the Dutch farmers had already implanted the idea of a common man "convoy" revolt even though they were fighting the government regarding emissions. The idea was a social cantagion co-opted by disenfranchised people. There were several levels of what the convoy was supposed to represent or its agreed upon goals. This was likely an influence of looking at Occupy Wall Street as some sort of success for its time but not realizing that having this giant group who all say different things does not actually bring upon substantial change. It does bring a lot of chaos which can be used to spread further misinformation and create division.

Also, people ARE actually this fucking retarded on average. Most people are pathetic sheep who cannot organize, don't seek an education or worldly knowledge beyond their own personal benefit and spend most of their time distracted. That is why Trudeau still has supporters. That's why the convoy had supporters. The country had a massive fucking brain drain and it is easily at its weakest and most easily manipulated its ever been, including the pandemic lockdown. People keep blaming politicians but at some point Canadians need to look at themselves and grow a fucking brain before the entire country collapses because no one can have a legitimate conversation without being triggered by sensitive words like "Trudeau" or "gender" or "homeless" or "addict" or "convoy" and the whole thing is derailed.

I like to think Russia helped create one of the dumbest things I've seen from a mass group of people. Otherwise you're all just fucking retards on your own accord. Retard influenced by a bad guy or retard because just retard.

 

[DiscoRodeo]

I'm saying Russian bots were involved in spreading misinformation

Which specific misinformation did they stoke?

 

[Sneedenhagen Chew]

Even if Russia has somehow made me hate Canada through some nefarious plot where I notice how little I get for a dollar and how impossible improving my quality of life has become, that wouldn't change the fact that not one single Russian on Earth has ever publicly pontificated on television about whether there's space for me in his Coming Utopia, and whether my existence can be tolerated, nor has a Russian ever destroyed my economy on purpose to look good for foreign tax evaders so I don't really care if that's true or not, and I wouldn't suddenly change my opinions if it were.

Frankly, if Russian glowies are actually so advanced that they can warp the fabric of reality itself in order to transform Canada into what is observably and factually a third world country just by saying it is, I'd rather be speaking Russian since I know for a fact Canada's oligarchy doesn't have that kind of technology.