Cuba collapse - Drinkin’ rum and Coca Cola

[jalopy]

What is the rationale to still keep the sanctions against Cuba in place for the US?

Partisan politics, Cubans are an important demographic in Florida. Maybe some autistic need to do the exact shit forever in the State Department. Some sanctions were lifted under Obama but the net benefit for the average Cuban was minimal and Trump put sanctions back on.

At this point it's mostly academic as the Cuban state has started cracking down on their little experiment with capitalism by allowing some small businesses.

On the other hand, South Africa doesn't have to deal with the degree of sanctions Cuba's been under for the past 50+ years. I would expect China and Russia will be able to provide them with the necessary replacement equipment and the technical know-how to solve the grid's problem just to spite the United States.

Cuba's power system was built by the Soviets to take oil as gibs. It's a much more expensive way to produce electricity today and Cuba has dismal foreign currency reserves to buy it in. Nevermind an economy lacking in high value exports to bring it in. Both Russia and China could have ameliorated this already. Venezuela could have helped if they could figure out how to run their oil sector.

In the end, propping up an entire economy for the sake of radio receiver is bad deal making. China will provide guarantees to the leaders of Cuba, not economic assistance to a money pit.

 

[draggs]

The Cuban intelligence agency and secret police basically run Venezuela anyway these days. That was the deal they made with Maduro, you gib us free oil, we gib you experts in oppressing people. (Except Maduro and his boys fucked up the state oil company so bad, Venezuela can't keep up its end of the deal any more.) If they can't get the lights back on in Havana they can always make it offishul and move to Caracas. Until the lights no go on there anymore either

 

[Clyde Cash's Left Teste]

So do you guys think that this is going to cause the fall of the Cuban government?

 

[Press_Play2002]

The Cuban intelligence agency and secret police basically run Venezuela anyway these days. That was the deal they made with Maduro, you gib us free oil, we gib you experts in oppressing people. (Except Maduro and his boys fucked up the state oil company so bad, Venezuela can't keep up its end of the deal any more.) If they can't get the lights back on in Havana they can always make it offishul and move to Caracas. Until the lights no go on there anymore either

The working word here is "Intelligence", considering that they made a deal with a fat fuck of a bus driver and assumed that the country they are politically allied with wouldn't shit the bed in less than five years (Top-Tier Smarts there boys, well done). Venezuela is also currently having "El poder no funciona" troubles too. The best part is that they rely on Hydroelectric Power more than their current use of Oil to keep their National Grid active. So not only are they fucking up their Oil money, they're also fucking up the Dams in a manner worse than the Oil. Keep in mind that their main Hydroelectric Dam, the Guri Dam, is one of the largest dams of its type in the world. And has experienced constant operational problems since 2010.

So do you guys think that this is going to cause the fall of the Cuban government?

LOL NO! And even if it did, it'll be more of a boiling frog syndrome scenario than a total Haiti/Sudan-style instant collapse/implosion.

 

[Bunny Wigglesworth]

China has major SIGINT assets in Cuba. Those need electricity. But maybe they generate their own and aren't connected to the grid.

Russia also has SIGINT assets there.

This all could’ve been avoided if Kennedy hadn’t been such a pussy. He talked a big game about confronting communists when debating Nixon, but was an absolute limpdick when he was told in March 1960 it’s now or never with Cuba. All he had to do was stick to the original Trinidad Plan, cite what the Soviets did in Hungary when they didn’t like how things were going there, let the USAF obliterate Castro’s small airforce and maintain air support & a supply line for Brigade 2506 to take over the easily defensible port city of Trinidad. From there they could’ve linked with anti-Castro rebels a few km away in the Escambray mountains & that force of 1,500 would’ve become a force of 8,000 or so pissed off kulaks & exiles, bisecting Cuba & isolating Castro from 2/3rds of the country. That would’ve given any fence sitters in Cuba the motivation to act and more exiles a reason to return & join the fight.

 

[Breadbassket]

Grid failed again for what is now the fourth time.

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[Super-Chevy454]

The last thing then Cuba need now is an hurricane and sadly Hurricane Oscar have hit Cuba.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topstories/storm-tracker-why-hurricane-oscar-could-lead-to-humanitarian-crisis/ar-AA1sAXv6

https://archive.ph/wip/6yLLR

Hurricane Oscar made landfall in eastern Cuba Sunday evening amid a power blackout, adding to fears that the storm may prove to be especially dangerous.

The center of Oscar was about 50 miles east of Guantanamo and moving west-southwest at 7 mph as of 5:50 p.m. ET, according to the National Hurricane Center. The Category 1 storm carried maximum sustained winds of 80 mph and slamming the Bahamas hours earlier.

Oscar made landfall in Cuba as millions across the island were in the dark. The country's electrical grid collapsed on Sunday for the fourth time in 48 hours, marking a major setback in the government's efforts to quickly restore power to exhausted residents already suffering from severe shortages of food, medicine, and fuel.

Is Hurricane Oscar will be Cuba's Katrina?

 

[Rootless Cosmopolitan]

It’s looking like the most doomer of the Cuba subreddit posters was right and that Cuba is structurally out of fuel and cannot keep the grid on.

Cmon Cuba bros. If you don’t overthrow the government now, you might drown in the dark during a hurricane with no humanitarian help.

 

[Standardized Profile]

Russia also has SIGINT assets there.

I can never keep track of who's running Lourdes now, if anyone. The Russians will of course do some collection from their embassy in Havana, but they seem to be focusing more on Nicaragua now than Cuba.

 

[TH3 H4NG3D M4N]

Cuban's don't count to them. Cubans have a nasty habit of voting Republican. Can imagine that? Latinx's voting Republican? How dare they!

It never ceases to amaze me how the Democrats in the USA do not understand this phenomenon. These immigrants escaped Cuba, Mexico, etc. They are the people most of all who do not want others entering the US from these places and turning it into the shitholes they have escaped.

I remember when Trump first talked about building a wall, and the political left were baffled that his polling actually improved with the Hispanic community afterward.

 

[God of Nothing]

It never ceases to amaze me how the Democrats in the USA do not understand this phenomenon. These immigrants escaped Cuba, Mexico, etc. They are the people most of all who do not want others entering the US from these places and turning it into the shitholes they have escaped.

I remember when Trump first talked about building a wall, and the political left were baffled that his polling actually improved with the Hispanic community afterward.

democrats dont understand that other peoples are not monoliths, hilariously enough

 

[Super-Chevy454]

Cmon Cuba bros. If you don’t overthrow the government now, you might drown in the dark during a hurricane with no humanitarian help.

Now then you mention it, will some Hollywood stars like Michael Moore who'll give humanitarian help? Press "x" for doubts.

Btw, I think Hurricane Oscar might be October's surprise...for Cuba.

 

[Foltest]

Once again, Commie fail at everything.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Once again, Commie fail at everything.

Not real Communism comrade

 

[Rootless Cosmopolitan]

Power is apparently back in Havana for the last few hours.

Here is a photo of Havana in darkness, with the only electric lights being the Capitol building.

 

[Agamemnon Busmalis]

Wonder if that cement plant the GDR built them even still functions. Used to be the largest cement plant in Latin America but I'm sure they fucked it up somehow.

 

[RodgerDodger]

It never ceases to amaze me how the Democrats in the USA do not understand this phenomenon. These immigrants escaped Cuba, Mexico, etc. They are the people most of all who do not want others entering the US from these places and turning it into the shitholes they have escaped.

I remember when Trump first talked about building a wall, and the political left were baffled that his polling actually improved with the Hispanic community afterward.

What gets me is they think Latinos are one singular group that all acts the same politically. And never changes over time. They never grasp that Cubans politics are different from Mexican Politics are way way different than Puerto Riicans, etc.

The only actual commonality is somewhere around 2nd or 3rd generation they are mostly just Conservative Catholics, and vote as such.

 

[Not Really Here]

Wonder if that cement plant the GDR built them even still functions. Used to be the largest cement plant in Latin America but I'm sure they fucked it up somehow.

Those things use a huge amount of energy, so I'm going to guess it's not currently operational.

 

[Agamemnon Busmalis]

Those things use a huge amount of energy, so I'm going to guess it's not currently operational.

I figured they stripped it for parts and it's been scrap since some time in the 90s. At least the Vietnamese coffee industry did well, this was a dumb ass boondoggle like building housing in Angola.

 

[mindlessobserver]

What gets me is they think Latinos are one singular group that all acts the same politically. And never changes over time. They never grasp that Cubans politics are different from Mexican Politics are way way different than Puerto Riicans, etc.

The only actual commonality is somewhere around 2nd or 3rd generation they are mostly just Conservative Catholics, and vote as such.

Some of them also actively hate each other. Never put a Bolivian and a Chilean in the same room.