Sonic The Hedgehog Games

[cybertoaster]

I remember lurking sonic cult eons ago and them saying that it was retarded to care about what's now called "sonic lore" since the game never had a story to begin one and just gets a new one tacked on every so often.

They were right, its pointless.

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IDK how but he managed to make Bubsy even gayer than that deranged tranny who made him his tranny fursona.

Oh god what the fuck the animations were already 6 years ago what the hell

Time is a bitch ain't it?.

Also letting sonic talk was a mistake.

 

[Gravityqueen4life]

Its weird there were no Shadow the hedgehog levels in the game.

 

[The Lawgiver]

Also letting sonic talk was a mistake.

He talked in the classic era too, but they retroactively made him mute to the point origins fucking removed the voice lines for him in sonic CD

Weirdly these actual voice lines that occasionally show up in the classic era games (cd being the first instance iirc) sound really similar to the english dub anime OVA movie voice despite it not being the same VA.


EDIT: somehow I missed this

the game never had a story to begin one and just gets a new one tacked on every so often.

They were right, its pointless.

The game has a story. You literally just had to look at the manuals or marketing back in the day to see it because that's how a lot of games did things. Simple stories aren't "no story". Sonic weirdly for the most part save for the early days with the localization shit is one of those game series that's stayed weirdly consistent with stuff happening after the last game in the series save for some weird instances like the moon being back to normal every game after adventure 2. THe overall premise for the series is simple as fucking Mario's bingbing wahoo stuff. It's mainly character dynamic focused. Also weirdly more consistent than mario lore as I already said with my mario rambling earlier. Never seen something as crazy as the mario lore constant retcons.

 

[cybertoaster]

He talked in the classic era too

I know but those were random voice clips/expressions not actual dialog like we been getting since Adventure.

 

[The Lawgiver]

I know but those were random voice clips/expressions not actual dialog like we been getting since Adventure.

He says "i'm outta here" directly to you if you leave the game on without pausing and leave him alone for a few minutes I think that counts as actual fourth wall breaking dialogue.

 

[starborn427614]

Its weird there were no Shadow the hedgehog levels in the game.

Not that there's a bad level in Shadow Generations or anything, but I would probably swap Sunset Heights for perhaps Lava Shelter and Chaos Island for Digital Circuit. Just to shake things up a bit.

 

[Gravityqueen4life]

Not that there's a bad level in Shadow Generations or anything, but I would probably swap Sunset Heights for perhaps Lava Shelter and Chaos Island for Digital Circuit. Just to shake things up a bit.

They missed their chance doing Sky Troops level. Westoplis was also such an obvious choice (one could argue Westoplis was part of the game in all the stage warping going on but it deserved its own level) yet both got ignored for more forces and frontier shilling

 

[cybertoaster]

I think that counts as actual fourth wall breaking dialogue.

Come on man you know what I'm talking about, characters talking to each other and cutscenes, stuff like that.

 

[starborn427614]

They missed their chance doing Sky Troops level. Westoplis was also such an obvious choice (one could argue Westoplis was part of the game in all the stage warping going on but it deserved its own level) yet both got ignored for more forces and frontier shilling

The only reason I can think of as to why there isn't any level from Shadow's own title is that it's technically not a mainline one like Forces and Frontiers.

 

[BetterFuckChuck]

They missed their chance doing Sky Troops level. Westoplis was also such an obvious choice (one could argue Westoplis was part of the game in all the stage warping going on but it deserved its own level) yet both got ignored for more forces and frontier shilling

If I were doing Shadow Gens and had unlimited budget I would've had the order be:
- Space Colony ARK as the introduction like before
- Then Radical Highway (Classic)/Rail Canyon both unlock
- Biolizard boss unlocked after doing those two like before
- Kingdom Valley/Cool Edge/Sunset Heights then get unlocked
- Metal Overlord
- Titanic Monarch/Digital Circuit/Radical Train
- Playable Sonic boss
- Glyphic Canyon (or Bingo Highway)/Chaos Island/Aquatic Base
- Mephiles
- White Jungle/Final Egg
- Infinite
- Radical Highway (reprise) like in the main game
- Then the final boss
Sky Troops would've been neat, but I wonder if Westopolis, Sky Rail and Sky Troops weren't included because they felt with Radical Highway and Rail Canyon they already had "air" and "city" levels. However I still think that there's some obvious omissions that should've been in the game and I'll explain my reasoning:
- the original version of Radical Highway needs to be in there as a proper mission because it's essentially Shadow's Green Hill, plus Generations showed the SA2 level design works just fine with the boost gameplay
- Cool Edge I think varies the color palette and despite not being a Shadow level there's potential to set a speed stage in the night version and include a remix of that music track, which wasnt done in the original due to the Werehog
- Titanic Monarch I think also fits because it's one of the more atmospheric classic stages and would fit in with the tone of the rest of the Shadow stages
- Digital Highway is Shadow's best stage and one of the most interesting Sonic levels in the franchise visually, I dont think i need to explain that pick
-Glyphic canyon or Bingo highway i think shouldve been in the game to have more unique settings with cool visuals
- Radical Train and Aquatic Base should've been there because the 06 levels when remade are somehow always bangers, and Radical Train had the potential of letting you shase the train on the bike and maybe going into a portal and chasing it through Westopolis as it crashes thru buildings. Aquatic Base is just an interesting level and would build up well for the Mephiles boss later
- the Sonic Boss ofc. should've been playable
- White Forest and Final Egg I think should've been shoe-ins, White Forest is pivotal to Shadow's character and Final Egg could in the halfway point merge with Sky Troops and then maybe have him fight the Egg Emperor in a QTE or something
- INfinite shouldve had a boss fight where you slap him down for being an incel doofus

 

[Lancers]

Sega just needs to let Ian Flynn write Sally back into the games, because the fact that every female character he writes is just Sally but a hedgehog/sheep/bug thing is an obvious cry for help

I heard Flynn wrote Sally with the intention of her being a dyke for Nicole back during the last days of the Archie comics. If that's true, I don't want him to touch any more shit than he needs to. I hate this gay Earth.

 

[JesusChristDenton]

I heard Flynn wrote Sally with the intention of her being a dyke for Nicole back during the last days of the Archie comics. If that's true, I don't want him to touch any more shit than he needs to. I hate this gay Earth.

Not just that, but apparently the fanmade pre-reboot Archie comic continuation also did something similar with her breaking up with Sonic and becoming a stronk independent wahmen who don't need no hedgehog. Think they also teased a relationship with her and Nicole in it as well.

 

[Lancers]

Not just that, but apparently the fanmade pre-reboot Archie comic continuation also did something similar with her breaking up with Sonic and becoming a stronk independent wahmen who don't need no hedgehog. Think they also teased a relationship with her and Nicole in it as well.

Of course they would. I can't believed the amount of faggotry that's infested this franchise. Maybe I shouldn't be surprised but being gone from Sonic for the better part of a decade and a half, I was ready for the spergs but not the rainbowloons. I don't know why I though Sonic would be spared from it.

 

[Gravityqueen4life]

Why is it you no longer allowed to use the word "crazy" anymore? Robotnik called Eggman crazy in the original but the new version calls him "eccentric".

Fat and Crazy. what kind of people get triggered be these words i wonder?

 

[JesusChristDenton]

Fat and Crazy. what kind of people get triggered be these words i wonder?

Spoiler: The same kind of people who, if they were in the Sonic universe, would be Rouge's most loyal paypigs.

 

[AlmightyMagichan]

Classic Sonic not talking is a perfect example of Sega's mindset.

Make a silly joke about how there was no dialogue in the old games. Now make Classic Tails talk because we forgot what the joke was. And Sega has now made it a hardcoded law that Classic Sonic can never talk, because SEGA!!!

I saw some stupid parody videos of Surge and Kit. I see that Ian Flynn insists on putting a dramatic and emotionally gripping backstory into every goddamn character he makes. These two look like they would be a lot more fun if they were being deranged maniacs together with surprisingly fluid teamwork, instead of all this childhood drama no one gives a shit about.

Even this kind of dumb joke would be off the table now, I suppose.

 

[JesusChristDenton]

I saw some stupid parody videos of Surge and Kit. I see that Ian Flynn insists on putting a dramatic and emotionally gripping backstory into every goddamn character he makes. These two look like they would be a lot more fun if they were being deranged maniacs together with surprisingly fluid teamwork, instead of all this childhood drama no one gives a shit about.

Link? That video sounds pretty interesting.

 

[Dynamite Bean]

I saw some stupid parody videos of Surge and Kit. I see that Ian Flynn insists on putting a dramatic and emotionally gripping backstory into every goddamn character he makes. These two look like they would be a lot more fun if they were being deranged maniacs together with surprisingly fluid teamwork, instead of all this childhood drama no one gives a shit about.

And that's the problem, when everyone has a tragic dramatic sad backstory, then no one has it
It's what made shadow and adventure 2 so compelling storywise, it was the first time a character(mainline at least) had this much depth and ground to them, it was special

now it's just overdone and lose it's impact
like you said, kit and surge would be more fun if they were just scarily competent lunatics who start shit with everyone for fun(instead of having this sad tragic backstory)
whisper would be fine and even better imo if she was just a simple soldier who took on a more stoic personality because of the eggman war(instead of omg so sad backstory all her teammates we know nothing nor care about about died)
and even in a leak, their trying to give fucking mimic some sort of dramatic backstory
modern writers do not understand a fucking thing about subtlety and the concept that if everyone has it, then no one is special

 

[Two Dollars]

The Paper Mario TTYD remake did irreparable damage to my faith in both established franchises and rereleases of any kind, no matter how good the original was. I’m glad I didn’t preorder this, because nothing is sacred and everything is offensive.

 

[GoodWinSon]

Not just that, but apparently the fanmade pre-reboot Archie comic continuation also did something similar with her breaking up with Sonic and becoming a stronk independent wahmen who don't need no hedgehog. Think they also teased a relationship with her and Nicole in it as well.

Is this one different from Archie Sonic Online? Those guys are all in Sonic and Sally.