US US Politics General - Discussion of President Biden and other politicians

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

I don't think the Dems have a choice but to clean house. It's clear to me at least, looking at every bit of data set available, that America is not ready to become Europe. They are about to lose hard. A reset in politics is in order if they wish to stay a national power. It will be a long drawn out process to get rid of the marxists. But they MUST if they wish to win the next cycle. We are looking at a blow our right now nor seen since 1984.

I'm really not sure, because a lot of the avowed Marxist types have been given committee assignments, meaning they know things that they can use to hurt the party. Worst of all, they are young ideologues. Bernie Sanders won't do anything like that because he's older and he's played the game. The younger people will try to flip the table if it fits the theater performance narrative in their head.

If the Democrats do not clean house, I see their party relegated to urban elites and little else.

 

[World Famous Quasi Payer]

In a way I wish the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact was in effect, because it would hilarious if all the liberals states had to award their EC points to Trump when he wins the popular vote.

 

[HOMO FOR LIFE RETURNS]

 

[HodgePodgeRogerDodger]

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Has life got you down? Did they rig the election again? Are you about to be drafted to fight a war nobody asked for? Well have I got good news for you. The US government just gave itself the power to kill you for protesting.

"Why would they do this?" you might ask. Because fuck you for being American, that's why.

>Donald Trump could assassinate his opposition if it’s an official act
>talk about enemy within and bitching about immunity
>pushes this through

What did they mean by this

 

[Gar For Archer]

The left really needs their own Trump. Someone from outside the existing corrupt system who swings in representing what the less insane lefties want, in such a way that it also speaks to moderates and even the center-right. Whether such a being can exist for such a fragmented coalition is hard for me to predict - I really can't tell if they're all so foundationally incompatible and just held together by corruption, or if it only seems that way from decades of uniparty bullshit, much like how the left still labors under the illusion that the right is just dominated by christian fundamentalists.

The time for that was 8 years ago, when Trump won. Trying to pivot now is far too little, far too late. Trump has basically killed the notion that the GOP is the party of Christian fundamentalists. With that gone, what exactly would a center-left candidate have to offer over MAGA?

The electorate has made itself clear, they don’t want troons in women’s sports, endless illegals flowing in from Mexico, and Soros prosecutors letting dangerous criminals loose on the streets. Anyone trying to attack Trump from the left basically needs to adopt those same policies while somehow offering disaffected Dems something on top of that. I simply don’t think that “something” exists, maybe outside of the (D) next to their name.

 

[Kuritan Deplorable]

It's in their DNA, but they've rejected it because it can result in a loss of control. They would need someone that appeals to their base but rejects the commies.

This is why I highlight my concerns about the current fractured coalition of crazies the left seemingly is comprised of these days. Trump was widely rejected by the republican party, but it didn't matter because the republican voters wanted him. Past a point, even the democrat establishment can't stop a 'popular uprising' among their people, but that requires them to actually be able to unify under some common sets of ideas that aren't toxic to the rest of the majority. I just can't see that path, but its also hard for me to really see what even is over in that land, as its all masked up by the crazies screeching to the wind.

I don't think they're gonna get such a figure anytime soon, but I stand by that they need it.

 

[WelperHelper99]

I'm really not sure, because a lot of the avowed Marxist types have been given committee assignments, meaning they know things that they can use to hurt the party. Worst of all, they are young ideologues. Bernie Sanders won't do anything like that because he's older and he's played the game. The younger people will try to flip the table if it fits the theater performance narrative in their head.

If the Democrats do not clean house, I see their party relegated to urban elites and little else.

The thing is they will begin to slip if they continue on their course. The process will be painful, but they need to start shuffling their roster. Bench the commies and update the platform. The commies can bitch and moan all they want- at least there will still be a Democrat party.

 

[Dammit Mandrake!]

However, if Trump won in 2020 it's also possible that he would never have had an opportunity to form the reified coalition he now has

The best laid plans of mice and men often go astray.

Trump being cheated out of his victory in 2020 was the greatest gift his opponents could have handed him. Everything blew up on their watch instead of his; they stepped on their own landmines.

 

[Myrtle the Turtle]

The time for that was 8 years ago, when Trump won. Trying to pivot now is far too little, far too late. What exactly would a center-left candidate have to offer over MAGA?

Sanders was their populist candidate.

Dem party poobahs threw him under the bus because it was Her Turn™ in 2016. Then covid happened and they thought Biden would have a better change with boomers scared by 'rona so they selected him to defeat Trump. If anything it strengthened Trump because it gave him 4 years to formulate a new campaign & build a new coalition. Lets not forgot all those fake criminal charges and corrupt judges trying to jail him.

 

[Mark Goldbridge]

The time for that was 8 years ago, when Trump won. Trying to pivot now is far too little, far too late. What exactly would a center-left candidate have to offer over MAGA?

A socialist could unite young people, unions, working people etc. against the big tech, big businesses, big pharma, big oil, big banks. Problem is everything is split oddly in America (probably by design) so that no matter the candidate for either party each one has a mix of endorsments from these categories.

As crazy as it sounds, Trump would be considered a socialist in many countries with a lot of his rhetoric and voter base. He IS the man of the working class but his policies don't really reflect that of somebody that traditionally would have the working class.
All these social issues are important but it's a manufactured distraction to pit what would be socialists against each other.

A socialist that loves the country and has the same social issue stance as Trump would probably resonate with a lot of the current Republican strongholds.

 

[mlanguishi]

In a way I wish the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact was in effect, because it would hilarious if all the liberals states had to award their EC points to Trump when he wins the popular vote.

Didn't Colorado flat out do it?

https://www.cpr.org/2020/11/04/colorado-will-join-the-national-popular-vote-compact-proposition-113/

Oh booo... I thought they did it just on their own.

States that sign on to the National Popular Vote Compact agree to assign their presidential electors to the candidate who gets the most votes nationally, not the winner of the statewide vote. The catch is that it only goes into effect once enough states have joined to ensure that they will control the outcome of the election.

 

[WelperHelper99]

This is why I highlight my concerns about the current fractured coalition of crazies the left seemingly is comprised of these days. Trump was widely rejected by the republican party, but it didn't matter because the republican voters wanted him. Past a point, even the democrat establishment can't stop a 'popular uprising' among their people, but that requires them to actually be able to unify under some common sets of ideas that aren't toxic to the rest of the majority. I just can't see that path, but its also hard for me to really see what even is over in that land, as its all masked up by the crazies screeching to the wind.

I don't think they're gonna get such a figure anytime soon, but I stand by that they need it.

That's the biggest problem. They need a Trump but have burned the crop of upstarts that could have become one. And the process to create one will take years. This started with Hillary. They cleared the way for her at the cost of the future. In effect there's been a brain drain.

 

[Jade Philosophies]

Disagree, if you start your research from a source that you factually know is biased and gives incorrect information constantly to support a narrative you are wasting your time. With that being said, it's getting REALLY hard to find better sources for information now that the Internet Archive and Wayback Machine are getting purged (Internet Archive probably won't be back) so it's a rather dark time for trying to educate yourself.

The point is that Wikipedia has got a lot of points of information about 1 subject on 1 page, which is very convenient. You can then take those points, fact check them and research further the ones that are accurate as most of the time they're just going to give you the basic superficial surface-level information about a point of information. Especially if something on the surface looks like it supports the narrative.

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Anybody mentioned kamala doing a stunt with five guys today.

I'd like to thank the democrat campaign manager for such awesome choice. I almost thought she was going for Starbucks but I guess five guys will do.

Well if she didn't have Zoe Quinn's vote before she definitely has now!

Kamala is the ultimate CIA creation.

This is mostly such a load of bullshit. They're commie apologists. A "capitalist" is anybody who supports property rights (for everybody, not just themselves) and the economic system of making and selling goods and services to make money in order to buy other goods and services in a free market rather than controlled by the government. Not just rich people who want power and be able to control people. And "woke" is cultural marxism which was created by The Frankfurt School.

Speaking of commies and The Frankfurt School, I discovered something quite interesting. First, you always hear that Archduke Franz Ferdinand's assassination, which started WW1, was carried out by "nationalists". Well, they were "nationalists" in the sense that they wanted independence of the various slavic countries from the Austro-Hungarian Empire in order to form a Yugoslavian nation (which eventually happened directly after WW1). However, they were commies and wanted Yugoslavia to be a communist state. (Which also happened, but not until 1945.)

Now onto The Frankfurt School. Hermann Weil was a very wealthy commie jew who was one of Kaiser Wilhelm II's advisers during WW1. Most likely at least one of the people that convinced him to help the commies stage their revolution Russia. (Along with another commie jew Israel Lazarevich Gelfand.) After WW1 he used his wealth to fund his commie son Felix Weil's little pet projects. The Institute for Social Research and its subsidiary The Frankfurt School!

So commies were instrumental in both sides during WW1, including starting it!

Monarchy is based: no pandering, no fake lies, no bullshit underhanded lobbying, appointed by God, their head is literally on the line to do a great job.

Full monarchy (so not the current "constitutional monarchy" where they're little more than a figurehead) is often just a communist dictatorship basically. Most of the general public were just serfs essentially working for the government (and people often had to pay very high taxes) and had no property rights. No doubt there were based monarchs who were very fair to the people and allowed them a lot of freedom. But that wasn't guaranteed and I suspect wasn't the norm. Unless you can have a dictatorship that not only has a totally based and benevolent dictator but can guarantee every one of his successors is as well then the most based form of government you can have is pure democracy. "The workers controlling the means of production" is homosexual (and a fairytale told by those who want power as it's always "the government on behalf of the workers") but "the people controlling the means of governance" is based. (As in mostly directly, not via "representatives" in an oligarchy.)

The least bad of the euro swine tend to be British people specifically English people
(mainly because they see their country as actually fucked.) but most euros, leafs, and even aussies get their politics from the media who are almost always left of center.
The main thing is most of the euros you talk to tend to be middle class and almost always the middle class has been raised in from birth to believe this. "The working classes smell". The smelly working class shouldn't have things like guns, cars, or nice things because they're smelly and not justified.

There are plenty of based people all over Europe (especially ex-commie countries, even though those countries have still somehow fallen victim to the EU, although I don't know if all of them had referendums to join), it's just that it's so often the EU-worshippers who are the loudest and obviously get most of the coverage by the MSM and boosted by the MSM and companies everywhere. They see themselves as "EU citizens" rather than French, German, Spanish Italian etc, just as the EU wants. They're loyal to the EU and its cultural marxist agenda rather than their nations and their people.

 

[Seafarer]

The left really needs their own Trump. Someone from outside the existing corrupt system who swings in representing what the less insane lefties want, in such a way that it also speaks to moderates and even the center-right. Whether such a being can exist for such a fragmented coalition is hard for me to predict - I really can't tell if they're all so foundationally incompatible and just held together by corruption, or if it only seems that way from decades of uniparty bullshit, much like how the left still labors under the illusion that the right is just dominated by christian fundamentalists.

I think the closest they’ve had in the last decade or so is Bernie Sanders, and even then he’s proven to be a cuck who will bend the knee to the very party that screwed him over in favor of generic neoliberal candidates. Even still he’s probably the only left wing politician that people would actually vote for just because of him rather than because he’s a Democrat.

 

[World Famous Quasi Payer]

Past a point, even the democrat establishment can't stop a 'popular uprising' among their people,

The internal workings of the democrat party are specifically set up the way they are to prevent what Trump did in 2016. Hence why the life-long democrat Trump won the republican primary, and then ran as a republican against the party he had supported for the majority of his life. He had no choice, but go republican or go home.

This also explains, that while very influential in actually winning elections, why the progressive wing of the DNC has little actual say in internal party workings.

The DNC can't open up, because the moment they do, they become the party of the far-left, not the moderate or center left. They're fucked, and they did it to themselves, so fuck'em.

 

[Dammit Mandrake!]

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So that’s happening…which is nice. Apparently some son of a Hamas guy that defected? I didn’t even know that could happen.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosab_Hassan_Yousef

Is there more info on this? Cenk did really well here and deserves credit. Even Piers Morgan shut up and let that nutcase bury himself.

Unironically a big win for chunk yogurt and I liked what I saw.

 

[Disc]

That's the biggest problem. They need a Trump but have burned the crop of upstarts that could have become one. And the process to create one will take years. This started with Hillary. They cleared the way for her at the cost of the future. In effect there's been a brain drain.

In fact, there's a lot of people who are outright saying that the only way to be any kind of upstart is to be a republican one. That's why people like Tulsi Gabbard and RFK are breaking for trump.

 

[Diana Moon Glampers]

Kamala is so awful, she ruined the word "joy"

This is what they do, isn't it?

They make "gay" into homosexual, so that any old-timey stuff about feeling gay is now "hurr hurr" instead of heartwarming. They make "joy" into the rictus grin of a bureaucrat out of her depth, straining for an answer to a softball question while she thinks about which of her staffers she's going to make pay for her embarrassment.

They literally want to take the very words you have for happiness and pervert them, twist them into something with sinister vibes lurking just beneath the surface. It's like something out of 1984, where they will simply change the definitions of all the words you could have used to describe your happiness (especially the short, easy ones, since the intellectuals will still enjoy using the big fifty-cent words!).

I think we shouldn't let them do it. I think we should go right on using those words and pay absolutely no mind to those who would take them from us. Be joyful and gay. Stop giggling about it and take happiness seriously.

 

[Meat Target]

Didn't Colorado flat out do it?

https://www.cpr.org/2020/11/04/colorado-will-join-the-national-popular-vote-compact-proposition-113/

Oh booo... I thought they did it just on their own.

States that sign on to the National Popular Vote Compact agree to assign their presidential electors to the candidate who gets the most votes nationally, not the winner of the statewide vote. The catch is that it only goes into effect once enough states have joined to ensure that they will control the outcome of the election.

Why not just abolish federalism and establish a unitary government while they're at it? Oh, right, because they can't get away with unilaterally declaring the flyover states to be subordinate colonies.

 

[Fapcop]

It's clear to me at least, looking at every bit of data set available, that America is not ready to become Europe.

That’s not what they’re doing though.

European countries have a strict migration policy. Because you can’t have things like public healthcare or free education, if a bunch of Africans who never paid into the system keeps flooding the border.

Europeans also have realized that you can’t just keep raising taxes, which is why they’re experimenting with things like private healthinsurance or increased user payments in healthcare.

Democrats on the other hands are plagued with rabid ideologues who want a welfare state AND no limits on immigration. And think that if you somehow milk billionaires until there are none left, everything will be free for everybody.