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It turns out there was a video, from three years ago, this whole time.
Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread
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What smells worse? Sallie May's dick or Mick Ignis' breath?
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It is a really complex issue really. One thing important is the scope of the crimes and how they hit close to home.
While in the real world, there is a chance many people could be redeemed, in a show it is entirely different.
It would be really hard and too difficult to redeem a character who harmed or killed a character that people liked, since even trying to redeem said character would still be a hated choice.
On the other hand, if you have a dictator, murderer, or terrorist who killed a lot of people, it can be fine to redeem them if there is no perspective from victims and such, along with the victims being offscreen.
Though an important thing to make redemption a focus in this show is to really give backstories which is something the show failed to do since it allows the viewer to understand the character's terrible actions in life more. Hopefully Season 2 could go further into it, and I feel Pentious being sent to Heaven could be a tool for that.
The standards of redemption in television are simultaneously high and very low.
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In Paul Haddad's voice: "Is this the guy?" I mean, who voices xhim? (Paul Haddad was the man who voiced Leon Scott Kennedy in the original Resident Evil 2)
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Yeah, I'm with the Redditor on this one. What happened?
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I’ve seen it. The representation stuff is pretty cringe, but overall I agree with it for the most part. Twitter though? Oh boy, they are livid that someone would dare say such things about their drug abusing spider baby.
Edit: When I looked up the video again, this was the first result.
I MIGHT watch it tomorrow, because fuck that runtime. But that cute little avatar cosplaying as Valentino does not give me many hopes of this being a good video.
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Thanks for all the replies to my question everyone. Interesting to see that no on teally attempted on redeeming a rapist/pedophile Sinner, which...yeah, I completely understand why. I wouldn't expect nor want Viv to take her hands on that. This is the same woman that writes a whole episode for a SA victim, and then two episodes later has one of her main characters get raped as a joke.
In my opinion, I think you could write a redemption story for any of these hypothetical characters that end up in Hell for committing these sorts of crimes, but you would really have to tread carefully and be an extremely good writer. And even then, you still will probably lose a large portion of your audience since most people probably wouldn't want a character like that to get redemption.
Plus, in the context of Hazbin Hotel, this show isn't really made for stories like that. It's audience is definitely a YA demographic. The only show that I can really think of that attempted such stories is Black Mirror, and even then it was more in line of writing about the morality of justice being taken in ordinary citizens hands, and when does punishment become torturous entertainment.
In my opinion, I think you could write a redemption story for any of these hypothetical characters that end up in Hell for committing these sorts of crimes, but you would really have to tread carefully and be an extremely good writer. And even then, you still will probably lose a large portion of your audience since most people probably wouldn't want a character like that to get redemption.
Plus, in the context of Hazbin Hotel, this show isn't really made for stories like that. It's audience is definitely a YA demographic. The only show that I can really think of that attempted such stories is Black Mirror, and even then it was more in line of writing about the morality of justice being taken in ordinary citizens hands, and when does punishment become torturous entertainment.
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A show that could have had complex characters because of its premise of redeeming sinners, ruined because its audience is Twitter fujos.
Sad.
Sad.
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The last one makes me want to drown the person. Yes, MATI, whatever. This is reverse pearl clutching, but on the same degree. "Prudes are retards" - I can apply this to the same degree as you: Degenerates are slanderous and immature.
Funny thing that Carl Sama made an amazing critique of PCP, erm, Angel Dust: He sings Poison just to say he doesn't want the pimp moth to be his boss, only to do the same thing he was doing before. So fuck people who keep using slander. If they hate this video, you'll hate Carl Sama's critique:
If it isn't enough, they make the pimp be afraid of Niffty. Just, get the fuck off, why wouldn't he - the tallest character on the lineup stomp the little shit? I don't say this because I despise her, I just say this because of practicality.
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A fanbase threatening suicide over the writer of their favorite dogshit troontoon is the sign of a perfectly healthy viewer-writer relationship. Absolutely nothing parasocial is happening in this fanbase. No xer.
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Sad but not unexpected after you watch Helluva Boss.
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I'mma be completely honest on this one: COVID fried the brains of 90% of Internet users. The fact that the height of COVID happened during a presidential election year, combined with all the George Floyd "Summer of love" stuff and the rise of Tik Tok and all the degeneracy it brought and having shortened the youth's attention spans even more than Vine did.
I definitely feel a lot of the young people who use the Internet nowadays lack the knowledge or wisdom to fully comprehend heavy topics like abuse without soying out. You have a generation that already has trouble determining what direction they want to take their lives and put too much stock into their identity/interests more than anything else while they fail to hold long-term relationships both online and offline.
And in the midst of it all, you have Hazbin, a show that prides itself on how degenerate it is, but that's pretty much all it has. What even does the show contribute aside from being the logical end point of where cartoons were inevitably end up after Jailbreak changed everything?
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Literally the only thing that vivzie has going for their stuff is that they were pushing the envelope when it comes to independent animation quality... a half-decade ago. you lose that and all you get now is a show that appeals to the most terminally online twitter/tumblr user. not expecting it to hit the shitter in all aspects once the hype surrounding its technical achivements dies out is severely optimistic.
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I have nothing to add to the ongoing discussion that hasn't already been said, so here's the Adam & Lute art tax (ft. Sinner Adam)
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So, what’s the likely hood that the new episode drops tomorrow? Also, how bad does everyone think it will be?
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Honestly, I think it won’t even come out this month. I am however optimistic that the new episode will be better than the shit show apology tour was.
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Meanwhile I'm still waiting for the Spindlehorse post-NDA-expiration dirt to drop. It's still surreal that this thread made the front page twice back in January.
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While video creator makes good points, I have a hard time taking him seriously when he spent an amount of time whining about negative stereotypes, which is redundant because I've never heard of stereotypes being viewed in a positive light.
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It's OK when WE stereotype! See: Insomniac's Spider-Man 2 making Miles Morales - y'know, the black guy - a DJ.