Palpatine suddenly having god powers is stupid because it makes his death nonsensical, and validates The Rise of Skywalker.
The more out of there EU Palpatine would have just DBZ flew out of the Death Star before it exploded, and waited for JJ's cue on Exogol. Why he didn't destroy the rebel fleet? He didn't feel like it, because plan or something.
False; the Force was always meant to be beyond something like the Death Star; so Palpatine destroying fleets with his mind and Sadow destroying star systems makes perfect sense.
Otherwise Vader was a complete fucking liar and loser when he said that the Force can surpass the Death Star.
Also, Palpatine was already using Battle Meditation on Endor; that was another power that surpasses the Death Star since it makes one side win over the other in a battle.
With Luke, you can pull this out as he got older. But with established characters with a completed rise to fall arc, you got to be really careful not to retroactively give them abilities that invalidate old previous media.
Not necessarily, no. You can come up with a million different ways to explain why they weren't able to use such powers. Hell, even in the OT, you had to explain why Kenobi could defeat Anakin when he was flesh and blood, but a weaker, machine version of him defeats Obi-Wan. Especially when they both got older, but Anakin became a paraplegic with clumsy, mechanical arms.
George Lucas worship is very much still alive, and seeing what Disney does, I get it, but the guy was not infallible. He sometimes made things up as they went along the way, the question is just if he changed his mind, or had better advisors in the original movies.
It's not Lucas worship when it's the SWEU authors whose works are being talked about. All Lucas did was sign off on their ideas, he didn't make them.
He clearly added the midiclorians, Chosen one, Jesus Anakin, Force being legitimately Jedi only, later on.
You didn't pay attention in the OT. The midichlorians thing was already added in ROTJ even though the word wasn't added; the concept was. The idea that only a special few can use the Force, and it can be passed down by blood. Hence why Kenobi trained Luke and ONLY Luke, he didn't approach anyone else; when he and Yoda died and Luke became the new Jedi grand poobah, Luke approached Leia and ONLY Leia, because they pooped out of the same birth canal and had Darth Buckethead's blood pumping through them.
The Chosen One thing was more lore-ish, and it bit the Jedi square in the ass when they thought the space messiah restoring balance would favor them, when it just meant that he would balance things out before he eradicated the darkness.
The Force being legitimately Jedi Only is something the OT also hammered into your skull. Hence why Luke and Leia were their only hope in the OT. Nobody else was born of Jedi blood at the time, so no one else could use the Force, and at best, Vader and the Emperor were corrupted Force-users, and Vader was a former Jedi. Otherwise Kenobi or Luke would be training Jedi Commandos from the Alliance ranks, and by the time of ROTJ, after Luke trained with Yoda more and had more time to master the Jedi arts, you'd have an entire squad of Jedi invading Jabba's Palace and the Bunker on Endor. You do not.
He also feels like he revised how rare Jedi were, but that was done early.
He never revised how rare the Jedi were. Hell, if we just go with him saying that the movies are the only things that matter, the OT made it so that the Jedi are very rare, before the Disney canon and the SWEU introduced hundreds of Order 66 survivors.
So it wasn't Lucas who revised how rare Jedi were.
Ep4 still gives me the idea that there was a war against clones, and sometimes later Vader turned and killed the Jedi, Jedi were wiped out, and the Force (tm) is very rare, hereditary, and even hard to find, thus Luke, who has it, being Vader's (or other Jedi Obiwan friend's) son, is their Last Hope.
I also thought the Clone Wars would be against Clones/Cloners; Maybe just a region conflict where both sides used Clones, or maybe a Genestealer/Pod People sort of thing where they were replacing leaders with controllable clones.
Also, if there was a war against clones, the Jedi would get godlike status in the political sphere and the media. They would've been the one who saved the galaxy. The Empire was basically the Republic gone bad, having the clones be its enemy would've made gods out of the Jedi because like in the New Sith Wars, the people of the galaxy would give them all the resources and power to stop the evil clone army. Which makes the fall of the Jedi impossible. They'd become untouchable, they'd have all the honor, the glory, and all the glaze, and staging a coup against them would be impossible.
Meanwhile, Palpatine, even in the earliest drafts, was always a Republic politician who became Emperor. Having him and Vader side with the evil clones makes no fucking sense; they'd be quislings, and since by the time of the OT, the clones are gone, they'd get executed by a vengeful Republic/Empire if the clones were the invaders.
By putting the clones on the Republic side as Palpatine's loyalists and as an alternative to the Jedi being the Republic's heroes, and by making the clones into the prototypes of what would later become the Imperial Stormtrooper, Lucas made it so that the Jedi getting annihilated makes perfect political sense; the Republic would trust the clones, especially when the clones in AOTC prove to be the tip of the spear that won the battle when the Jedi failed, so if the clones turn around and shoot the Jedi, the galaxy would paint the clones and Vader as heroes while they tar and feather the Jedi as the enemy, while the Jedi and their supporters would have bad memories of the clones.
As for Vader's line, I never felt like it needed Force Planet Destroy spell to be literal.
It already had two ways to outdo the Death Star, first, mind control and second, the unnatural perfect "luck" that let Luke blow said weapon up in basically a space Swordfish.
Mind control has its limits, even filthy criminals like Jabba can shake it off, and Luke didn't get unnatural perfect luck from the Force; all it did was make his aim be better. Which does not validate what Vader says.
Also, the Force Destroy Planet spell was from KOTOR 2; one of the most beloved pieces of media in the series, accepted by almost all the fans of the franchise. Not to mention that Tales of the Jedi was also well-loved by the fans, and it introduced the Force Destroy Star System spell. All Dark Empire did was introduce a respawning Palpatine and him destroying fleets with his mind, which is tame compared to what Tales of the Jedi and KOTOR 2 brought in. Yet Tales of the Jedi was one of the best comic series in Star Wars, and KOTOR 2's handling of the Force and philosophy influences viewers to this very day.
Why does it bother you so much that there are things in Star Wars that surpass 40K? 40K isn't the world, you know. Star Wars wasn't competing with them during the late 90s and early 2000s; they were competing with things like western capeshit and anime, which had characters like Goku and Superman who can literally destroy entire planets. So no shit, more than a few SW writers would create characters that can destroy worlds with the Force, since it was a big fictional pissing contest between franchises that was going on back then. Someone like Goku can eradicate the 40K universe like it was a joke; and that's what Star Wars in the early 2000s was competing with. So is it really that weird that someone like Darth Nihilus or Emperor Vitiate came into being?
40K wasn't even that big back then, it was more of a niche thing, more people knew about Pokemon than 40K, but Star Wars, anime, and superhero works were also popular in those years. And ideas were being passed around between all three. DBZ took inspiration from western superheroes, Journey to the West, and Star Wars, since Toriyama was a big SW fan.
And DBZ/western comic superheroes becoming popular meant that some of their ideas, including dudes destroying entire planets, would inspire more than a few SW writers, especially since the most iconic villain in the saga said that the Force can surpass planet-destroying weapons. If it can surpass planet-destroying weapons, then it can play that game too, and destroy planets. Especially when both capeshit and manga were technically comics, and more than a few SW works were also comics.
No form of media exists in a vacuum. Star Wars was competing with other forms of entertainment at the time, which makes them having Sith who can destroy worlds make perfect sense, when the other dudes from America and Japan were also writing about dudes in tights, pajamas, or bathrobes destroying entire planets. So guys like Darth Nihilus, Naga Sadow, Emperor Vitiate, and Dark Empire Palpatine made perfect sense, especially since Vader already alluded to such power back in the OT.
Same. Destruction of a rebel planet is weaksauce. The real power is turning them into a loyal imperial vassal.
That makes no fucking sense. If that was the case, they wouldn't have blown up Alderaan; just get someone to overthrow Leia's dad from within and convince its nobles to turn Imperial.
The whole thing about the Empire is that they're so big, losing a planet or two won't really hurt them. Hence why Tarkin was so gung-ho in destroying a major core world; they got more of those, they don't give a shit. That is the characterization for the Empire as a whole; destroying a beautiful planet is not going to bother them, since they have more of those and they couldn't care less about the people on the planet below. They're rebels anyways, so there's nothing the Empire can get out of them.
The callousness and brutality of such an act is what characterized the Empire. Burning Luke's parents was brutal, but them reducing an entire planet into nothing was how you knew that the Empire were callous motherfuckers who don't give a flying shit if they have to commit mass genocide in order to keep the peace.
Later he changed things, like adding a Messiah story to Vader, and adding science! to the Force because.... Star Trek nerds wanted one and it made him feel insecure? We know that the prequal hate got to him.
He added a false messiah story, one that the Jedi misinterpreted, and all he did was add technobabble to explain why Luke only wanted Leia to be the next hope. Also, remember that it was the 90s, when sci-fi works everywhere were trying to find scientific explanations for mystical things and were making the supernatural something that can be touched by technology. IE. Ghostbusters using technology to defeat ghosts, and Dragon Ball Z having scientific devices like scouters measure a person's spiritual power level. It was a fad that was going on for quite some time before TPM came out in 1999.
The whole point of the Death Star was that it didn't need Palpatine to move and persuade planetary leaders in person, and he could do what he loved, staying on his evil throne. Remember Vader can choke you over the TV. Unless you are an alien that has no neck, you better not pick the space phone up.
That's the thing; they can just choose not to pick up the phone. If they have caller ID and can see your name there, they just won't. Also, a shielded planet can ward off any orbital bombardment, and the Death Star was the one thing that can punch through it. Remember how helpless the Imperial fleet was when the Rebels had a shielded planet and an ion cannon; Rebel ships flew past comatose Imperial warships. A Death Star would've made short work of that without embarrassing the Imperial Navy.
After this long rant, it isn't even SW or 40k that is the worst offender in continuity, but Star Trek. Like half of the episodes is finding an all powerful mcguffin that they forget all about later, even when they really need it.
That's because Star Trek changes writers per episode. It's a TV show that goes on for a long period of time, so the episode writers swap out. What one writer wrote, another might not remember or care for, unlike in the SWEU where there are people forcing the writers to be consistent. So no fucking shit, the story is going to be inconsistent as fuck, because there's too many cooks in the kitchen, and they don't all agree on what to make.
For retrospect, imagine if Star Wars had a dozen different writers with the egos of Karen Traviss and Dave Filoni. And they only care about the stuff they write. That's what Star Trek has.
