Science Fiction and Fantasy Writers Association (SFWA) - Nerds protecting nonces

[Smoke Manmuscle]

Wasn't the dude running it a pedo or something?

That was 10 years ago. I remember hearing he refused to step down and they ended up having to buy him out and formed a new 503 to run the con without him. It’s why the dragon legal entity changed.

 

[Alexander Thaut]

The more Delaney I read, the more based he becomes. On the one hand he has a story about getting a sex change to become the oneitis e-girl the protag is simping for and still being miserable, on the other hand, he openly contextualizes a lot of shit about fags that no one wants to talk about. Total degenerate, but brilliant at bringing problems to the fore in a way that makes them useful. I'd put him up there with Freud and Foucault in being absolutely right, just not in the way it's usually interpreted.

Hal Duncan also has some moments. He's also very youth focused, albeit in a different way. I can't decide if his work was too hard gay to fit the current push in the industry and get attention, Vellum was a disappointment after Ink, or he got quietly cancelled for showcasing pederasty and went to near self pub because of that. Everything about his Scruffians series makes me not want to read it.

I'll say this about Delaney. Unlike all the YA queer bullshit, he's not fucking around with fanfiction tier writing. From what I can gather, he's probably the Marquis de Sade of SF.

I could always reread lensmen that was a super kino book series

Go for it. I'd also hard rec The Black Company by Glen Cook even if I've only read the first book. Also, look up Sir Arthur COnan Doyle's White COmpany (I think?) He did a bunch of historical fiction.

 

[JJLiautaud]

John Ringo however be aware he has never actually finished a series.

Fucking tell me about it...

 

[JesusChristDenton]

Anyone got any Mil-SF or military fantasy recommendations?

If you haven't seen it already, I would really recommend Worldwar by Harry Turtledove.

Basically it's a story about an alien invasion during the Second World War that forces everyone to start fighting together against the invaders. Personally I like it because it's honestly less of a story about aliens attacking WW2 Earth, and more a story about a late cold war military that happen to be aliens.


Granted, the image on the right may be a bit of an exaggeration (most of their tech is late 80's/early 90's at most and they're anything but big and imposing) but it communicates the point well. There's even a sequel series where a second alien fleet made up of civilians show up to Earth 20 years after the original books and a final book where humans visit the alien homeworld.

 

[JJLiautaud]

If you haven't seen it already, I would really recommend Worldwar by Harry Turtledove.

Love those books read them all including the crappy one where they go to the alien homeworld to negotiate some sort of peace.

 

[Capsaicin Addict]

Nowadays I just go to DragonCon for the gaming, to check out the vendor halls to see if there's any hidden gems in the bookseller booths, and to spend time with my friends. I could give a shit about the awards.

You might also check out Taylor Anderson's Destroyermen series if you're looking for mil-SF (though it's more isekai-mil-SF to be honest, lol).

 

[JJLiautaud]

You might also check out Taylor Anderson's Destroyermen series if you're looking for mil-SF (though it's more isekai-mil-SF to be honest, lol).

Already read it and loved it.

 

[World Famous Quasi Payer]

On the one hand he has a story about getting a sex change to become the oneitis e-girl the protag is simping for and still being miserable,

I don't know man, that sounds pretty based to me. A lot of troons are just dudes who couldn't get or wouldn't try to get the girl they wanted. Some guy going through that whole process of sex change just to wide up as miserable as he was before he started is a modern cautionary tale if there ever was one. The grass isn't greener if what you wanted to begin with had nothing to do with color of the grass.

on the other hand, he openly contextualizes a lot of shit about fags that no one wants to talk about. Total degenerate, but brilliant at bringing problems to the fore in a way that makes them useful. I'd put him up there with Freud and Foucault in being absolutely right, just not in the way it's usually interpreted.

Could you expand?

 

[Fandom Pulse]

New elections for President yesterday. Will it be the fat white lady cancel pig, the blue haired she/they, or the black woman all of whom you've never heard of and don't sell books who will be the next dear leader? We await the results. Mail in ballots, prolly.

 

[Dr. Butt]

and don't sell books

Sorry, a non-author is allowed to run for president?

 

[JJLiautaud]

Sorry, a non-author is allowed to run for president?

"Don't sell books" here means that their award winning groundbreaking novels sold bupkis.

 

[Piggle-o]

I'll say this about Delaney. Unlike all the YA queer bullshit, he's not fucking around with fanfiction tier writing. From what I can gather, he's probably the Marquis de Sade of SF.

He can write and was a transgressive powerhouse long before Hogg. His mainstream novels are worth reading up to a point. Unlike current Hugo nominees, his work was genuinely speculative and broadly applicable while also going into touchy subjects and psychologies. Dhalgren is overrated unless you're into that whole genre.

Could you expand?

He was very open about being molested as a child and then groomed as a teenager, and positive about the latter. Throw in the fetishization of raunch and you have long-standing gay issues and erotica all rolled into one. It's something few talk about directly and rarely is it discussed openly or shown outside of literature/porn that no one else reads. Probably seems obvious here and now, especially here, but it likely led to this discussion. Fags and squares are extremely uninformed on the topic and while the grooming is now a tale as old as time and one that even the community does something about when aware of it, the whole thing sparks very uncomfortable debate in every circle it comes up in.

Leftoids hate it because it's what they do, spelled out on a page in piss and cum. Everyone else hates it because it's fucking disgusting and, I believe, there is an element of culpability in letting it happen or not doing the right thing to prevent it or after the fact. At least that's my interpretation of various debates and the general response to Delaney. He made a few extremely provocative statements and left everyone else to fight over the solutions.

 

[Alexander Thaut]

He can write and was a transgressive powerhouse long before Hogg. His mainstream novels are worth reading up to a point. Unlike current Hugo nominees, his work was genuinely speculative and broadly applicable while also going into touchy subjects and psychologies. Dhalgren is overrated unless you're into that whole genre.

He was very open about being molested as a child and then groomed as a teenager, and positive about the latter. Throw in the fetishization of raunch and you have long-standing gay issues and erotica all rolled into one. It's something few talk about directly and rarely is it discussed openly or shown outside of literature/porn that no one else reads. Probably seems obvious here and now, especially here, but it likely led to this discussion. Fags and squares are extremely uninformed on the topic and while the grooming is now a tale as old as time and one that even the community does something about when aware of it, the whole thing sparks very uncomfortable debate in every circle it comes up in.

Leftoids hate it because it's what they do, spelled out on a page in piss and cum. Everyone else hates it because it's fucking disgusting and, I believe, there is an element of culpability in letting it happen or not doing the right thing to prevent it or after the fact. At least that's my interpretation of various debates and the general response to Delaney. He made a few extremely provocative statements and left everyone else to fight over the solutions.

I've got Nova on hand and I might be tempted to read Babel-17 someday. That and his pre-Nova SF that was more "standard".

So, wondering how long before some right-wing internet celeb uses him as a way to bash shitlibs/grooming/etc


you know what I lowkey kinda resent is the sheer amount of pseudo-intellectual leftists acting like SF for "entertainment" isn't good enough for them, and then turn around to see them talking about Cat Rambo or sth like romantasy (but SF) is somehow "enlightened".

Color me surprised when Edmond Hamilton and Doc Smith are apparently still in print somewhere, somehow. Same with all the big classics of speculative fiction.

 

[Piggle-o]

So, wondering how long before some right-wing internet celeb uses him as a way to bash shitlibs/grooming/etc

I don't think you can without activating the Foucault trap card. They would have to admit that their system isn't working (disowning/shunning/conversion therapy/general anti therapeutic beliefs/culture of silence/protecting pedophiles who are "members of the community") and that any attempt to impose their hegemonic beliefs is "just as bad" blah blah power blah blah. Which is true, in many regards, and hard to contend with. It's the old witchcraft conundrum; the hegemony creates a problem, kicks it out, then complains that it exists and has to go on a witchhunt for what is now out of their control.

To pose it as a rhetorical question: Why is the undivided attention and unconditional acceptance from an older man the only positive thing these teen boys have experienced and who is responsible for all the failures that led to it? It's pandemic. It's a question that cuts through both sides of the debate.

 

[IDanceonTrannyGraves]

New controversy erupting with Patrick's friend and SFWA darling Ooga Booga.

https://new.onaforums.net/threads/new-ethics-complaint-against-ooga-for-stealing.62195/

Tl;Dr:

• Ooga approaches a woman and offers to collaborate on a story
• The woman sends him a story she wrote
• Ooga changes the names of all the characters to porch monkey names, then removes the woman from the story, changes nothing else, then submits it as his own work
• He then repeatedly lies to the woman about communication and timelines
• Once the woman discovers what he did, he tries to pay her off, accuses her of "ruining" his "career", then tells her that "sometimes you need to do some uncomfortable things to get published in this industry"
• Ooga is quickly becoming Persona non Grata

 

[Elwood P. Dowd]

New controversy erupting with Patrick's friend and SFWA darling Ooga Booga.

Weird how the SFWA ballwasher brigade always puts forth and defends weirdos like this character and ignores another (kinda sorta) straight out of Africa negro author like Evan Winter, who actually writes readable epic fantasy. Winter seems to steer clear of politics, at least from the little I've seen, so maybe that's the issue. Or maybe the fact that since every character is black, the villains are, too.

And while the one book of his I read seemed both derivative and at points illogical it was pretty good as those sort of things go. 3.5 out of 5.0. Though honestly leaving me also with no real desire to read the sequel, I might even give that a try at some point as well. Certainly way better than that fat smelly negress who writes in second person who's name is mercifully escaping me at the moment. Who the SFWA also can't seem to get enough of.

Edit: In case the PDF is deleted or removed or the site goes bust, preserved here for posterity. Reading through it is only slightly less retarded than the ONA thread.

Edit2: Holy fuck does File770 love this guy.

https://file770.com/?s=Oghenechovwe+Donald+Ekpeki&submit=Search

There must be 100 posts with at least a mention of him, and many that flat out feature him. No mention of the latest shenanigans, though. TBF might be too soon, but it wouldn't shock me if they go radio silence like they did over Neil Gaiman.

 

[World Famous Quasi Payer]

I don't think you can without activating the Foucault trap card. They would have to admit that their system isn't working (disowning/shunning/conversion therapy/general anti therapeutic beliefs/culture of silence/protecting pedophiles who are "members of the community") and that any attempt to impose their hegemonic beliefs is "just as bad" blah blah power blah blah. Which is true, in many regards, and hard to contend with. It's the old witchcraft conundrum; the hegemony creates a problem, kicks it out, then complains that it exists and has to go on a witchhunt for what is now out of their control.

I don't understand what your saying here. Jumping down the throats of pedos doesn't work?

To pose it as a rhetorical question: Why is the undivided attention and unconditional acceptance from an older man the only positive thing these teen boys have experienced and who is responsible for all the failures that led to it? It's pandemic. It's a question that cuts through both sides of the debate.

Society has drifted away from a male centered culture (if it ever was) and has reached this point were a lot of boys have limited interaction with father or male authority figures for much of their day-to-day lives. Not sure that was the case with Delany but it is a common problem nowadays.

Ooga is quickly becoming Persona non Grata

What a goddamn idiot. How the fuck do you just not do a co-authored work? Like what is even the thought process here? What's to be gained?

Winter seems to steer clear of politics, at least from the little I've seen, so maybe that's the issue. Or maybe the fact that since every character is black, the villains are, too.

99% of that pack is nothing but politics, and the right type of politics at that. They've canceled/gone after older members for using the wrong words in the past. Despite those same people being in absolute lockstep with them on everything. I can absolutely understand why an author would stay well clear of them. I know I would if I was an author. Doesn't matter how black, how gay, how female, how transgender, how whatever is in right now; if you don't tow the line, you don't get recognition.

 

[Alexander Thaut]

I don't understand what your saying here. Jumping down the throats of pedos doesn't work?

Society has drifted away from a male centered culture (if it ever was) and has reached this point were a lot of boys have limited interaction with father or male authority figures for much of their day-to-day lives. Not sure that was the case with Delany but it is a common problem nowadays.

What a goddamn idiot. How the fuck do you just not do a co-authored work? Like what is even the thought process here? What's to be gained?

99% of that pack is nothing but politics, and the right type of politics at that. They've canceled/gone after older members for using the wrong words in the past. Despite those same people being in absolute lockstep with them on everything. I can absolutely understand why an author would stay well clear of them. I know I would if I was an author. Doesn't matter how black, how gay, how female, how transgender, how whatever is in right now; if you don't tow the line, you don't get recognition.

i think it's funny how they keep trying to cancel Orson Scott Card and it just ain' t working.

They try to ignore Heinlein. it doesn't work. Instead of taking the loss and moving on, they get angry as fuck that it doesn't work.

 

[Piggle-o]

I don't understand what your saying here. Jumping down the throats of pedos doesn't work?

I was using the grooming issue as an analogy for the difficulty in bringing Delaney into right wing rhetoric. You point to him as representing something wrong and anyone sane will disavow him. Try to relate his life and work to far left tactics and you look a little crazy, even though it does align with various societal issues and highlight how bad actors work using the rhetoric and hiding in plain sight. Bring up the talking points and end up with fingers pointing back at you.

It should be non-partisan but one ideology creates the environment for it to thrive through abjecting anything that doesn't fit the narrow mould of acceptable and the other ideology has rhetoric so lacking in internal criticism and tied to facilitating bad actors that they can't police their own. They're both like that at this point, and it shuts down the ability to detente and compromise.

 

[Elwood P. Dowd]

and the other ideology has rhetoric so lacking in internal criticism and tied to facilitating bad actors that they can't police their own.

Well, until they turn on these former compatriots like rabid weasels, leaving nothing behind but incomplete skeletal remains. (In a metaphorical sense, of course. I hope.) Several cases of this with some smaller authors fresh on their first writing contract who were #Metoo'd out of existence. Always amusing to see how genuinely shocked these people are when it is their turn to face the cancel mobs.

Or perhaps in the case of Neil Gaiman a sort of bloated, rotting whale corpse given how large he loomed in the industry, particularly in social justice flavored circles. I guess my conceit fails here since I can't think of a vicious, small minded weasel-like sea creature that would swarm and take down a whale.