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[Dante Alighieri]

The other day I was driving downtown, and a fucking cyclist ran the red light without slowing down. I almost wish he was ran over.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

This is also a reasonable viewpoint but urbanists don't believe this. They go full retard and charge the traffic engineer who designed the road with "murdering pedestrians" because reasons.

I seem to remember Jason or someone talking to him saying something like "if an intersection has a pedestrian scramble, then why is it even open to vehicular traffic?"

The answer is cities operate on a 24/7 schedule. If there's a shopping district without bars and late-night restaurants, people will be clearing out by nightfall. A college town won't have extensive pedestrian traffic on Spring Break or over the December holidays. That's why school zones operate on a "when flashing" basis.

 

[Markass the Worst]

I seem to remember Jason or someone talking to him saying something like "if an intersection has a pedestrian scramble, then why is it even open to vehicular traffic?"

He was talking about the Shibuya crossing in Japan.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

That's why school zones operate on a "when flashing" basis.

It's also the inverse of the "cry wolf" issue - if you have speeds slow all the time, people start to ignore them, but if you only flash the lights when kids are walking around, people respect it.

And it can be done - those "stop for red flashing lights on schoolbus" laws have worked well, because everyone is 100% fine with people being fined up the ass for violating it.

Seeing a bike get a ticket for zipping past a schoolbus is pure kino, let me tell you.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

And it can be done - those "stop for red flashing lights on schoolbus" laws have worked well, because everyone is 100% fine with people being fined up the ass for violating it.

The whole thing is a study in human psychology, people can put up with temporary things or reasonable compromises. A temporary stop sign suddenly appearing isn't going to harm anyone. Solely in terms of transportation and not in the greater world, I think Toronto would've gotten away with "pedestrianizing" its streets had it not gone full accelerationist practically overnight.

 

[quaawaa]

It's also the inverse of the "cry wolf" issue - if you have speeds slow all the time, people start to ignore them, but if you only flash the lights when kids are walking around, people respect it.

See all of those urbanist-run cities that instituted city-wide 25 mph (or lower) limits. The average speed rose because now people drive whatever they feel like instead of sticking to the more reasonable limit. The only exception is NYC thanks to their total surveillance state and speed cameras, but half the cars have fake or obscured plates and drive at whatever speed they want to.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

temporary stop sign suddenly appearing isn't going to harm anyone.

I've noticed that the pedestrian crossings that are just a green light until someone presses the button, and then it turns red, work really well. Better than a stop sign, usually.

(The europoors are basically right about traffic circles, mind you, but besides road goy rob the only people who ever argue for them are carfuckers who get ignored because they're insane)

 

[smouse]

Why do urbanists try so hard to inconvenience themselves like this?

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[Xarpho's Return]

See all of those urbanist-run cities that instituted city-wide 25 mph (or lower) limits. The average speed rose because now people drive whatever they feel like instead of sticking to the more reasonable limit. The only exception is NYC thanks to their total surveillance state and speed cameras, but half the cars have fake or obscured plates and drive at whatever speed they want to.

Not to mention parking...urbanists seethe about illegal parking and the city is owed over half a billion in unpaid tickets (see post)...but do you really think some Armenian is going to give two fucks about a piece of paper that's left by traffic cops?

 

[Yamamura]

I was meeting a friend in the city and for the first time in a while I took the subway. It was truly unreal how beyond parody the experience was. I shit you not, it's like what we joke about here, but real. Somehow there were these homeless schizos yelling about random nonsense the entire ride using colorful expletives. Meanwhile everyone is doing their best to pretend it's not happening. I wasn't even looking for this sort of thing. It just happened both times in the train car I was riding both ways. The stations have become makeshift homeless shelters, everything feels slightly dirty and grimy. 90% of the time you're standing in a claustrophobic space next to people spreading diseases.

It baffles me how fuckcars accuse being stuck in traffic as causing depression, because I can imagine anyone who has to put up with this on a daily basis would be depressed as shit.

 

[The Grimace]

Saw this outside of Kiwi earlier today and immediately thought about this thread lol.

I was meeting a friend in the city and for the first time in a while I took the subway. It was truly unreal how beyond parody the experience was.

Oh man, this reminds me of when I went to Atlanta a few years ago, some old black lady was going on some schizo rant on the train, and eventually some younger guy spoke up and went "NIGGA SHUT DA FUCK UUUUUP!" It was hilarious but also a little uncomfortable cuz I expected a fight to break out right then and there.

 

[Bonesjones]

I've noticed that the pedestrian crossings that are just a green light until someone presses the button, and then it turns red, work really well. Better than a stop sign, usually.

(The europoors are basically right about traffic circles, mind you, but besides road goy rob the only people who ever argue for them are carfuckers who get ignored because they're insane)

You can solve 90% of the problems with stop signs by turning them into yield signs.

 

[Lobster Cult High Priest]

Oh man, this reminds me of when I went to Atlanta a few years ago, some old black lady was going on some schizo rant on the train, and eventually some younger guy spoke up and went "NIGGA SHUT DA FUCK UUUUUP!" It was hilarious but also a little uncomfortable cuz I expected a fight to break out right then and there.

Hope you were ready to jump in and stand side by side with your White brother if that race skirmish broke out.

 

[Return of the Freaker]

Hope you were ready to jump in and stand side by side with your White brother

99% chance it was another nigger yelling at her, even if it wasn't Atlanta

 

[Atypical Dog]

I was meeting a friend in the city and for the first time in a while I took the subway. It was truly unreal how beyond parody the experience was. I shit you not, it's like what we joke about here, but real. Somehow there were these homeless schizos yelling about random nonsense the entire ride using colorful expletives. Meanwhile everyone is doing their best to pretend it's not happening. I wasn't even looking for this sort of thing. It just happened both times in the train car I was riding both ways. The stations have become makeshift homeless shelters, everything feels slightly dirty and grimy. 90% of the time you're standing in a claustrophobic space next to people spreading diseases.

It baffles me how fuckcars accuse being stuck in traffic as causing depression, because I can imagine anyone who has to put up with this on a daily basis would be depressed as shit.

Oh man, this reminds me of when I went to Atlanta a few years ago, some old black lady was going on some schizo rant on the train, and eventually some younger guy spoke up and went "NIGGA SHUT DA FUCK UUUUUP!" It was hilarious but also a little uncomfortable cuz I expected a fight to break out right then and there.

The subway appears to be a close relative of the Waffle House. I think I'd be more depressed if I were subjected to that on a regular basis - thankfully the rare trains where I'm from only have to deal with overcrowding rather than addicts or drunkards.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

The subway appears to be a close relative of the Waffle House. I think I'd be more depressed if I were subjected to that on a regular basis - thankfully the rare trains where I'm from only have to deal with overcrowding rather than addicts or drunkards.

Waffle House:
- open all the time
- can be fun at the late night hours
- perfectly safe during daytime hours
- waitresses can hold their own

Subways:
- infrequent schedule, especially at night
- rarely fun at any hour
- sometimes safe during daytime hours
- no one will hear you scream

Not similar.

 

[The Grimace]

99% chance it was another nigger yelling at her, even if it wasn't Atlanta

Yup, they were both black.

 

[Womble of Wimbledon]

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Urbanists are completely fucking insane if they think they can bring their ideas to Australia. The country is massive, mostly empty, interstate rail is next to non-existent and there is zero demand for public transport outside the major cities. This journey is like 8 or 9 hours by car on mostly straight highways with no traffic, why in God's name turn that into a three day trip?


Also why would you want to go to Canberra, it sucks there.

 

[Major]

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Why not take a boat? Do they hate boats now too?

 

[Lobster Cult High Priest]

Why not take a boat? Do they hate boats now too?

They also hate cruise ships so I doubt they would take ocean going transport when they complete their Haji to Amsterdam.