Off-Topic Transgender Legislation and Litigation

[armfleshween]

Alabama completely destroys WPATH and SOC 8.

State of Alabama

Florida completely destroys the "medical consensus" taling point.

State of Florida

135 female athletes takes on the troons in sports narrative.

Brief of 135 Female Athletes

Leor Sapir needs no introduction.

Brief of Dr. Leor Sapir

Tennessee shows that Bostock is irrelevant to the issue.

State of Tennessee

Detransitioner Brief

Detransitioners

Texas questions whether the Biden admin could even bring the case to court.

Brief of Gov. Abbott

As a detransitioner, I'm so happy to be southern. A rare moment when the region leads us to a brighter future.

 

[Not Dr. Evil]

Kate Strangio concedes that the troons are going to lose.



Troons think that stomping their feet is a valid form of argumentation.




Oral argument is set for December 4, 2024.



Genspect Brief

 

[Not Dr. Evil]

Chris Geidner thinks that Kate Strangio is playing four dimensional chess. The reality is the largely frivolous troon ban cases were just fundraising ploys by the ACLU after the money dried up from lobbying for gay marriage.

 

[monstrous bubo]

Scotland has gotten itself into a total mess with its loose and sloppy embrace of self-ID. It eventually backtracked on sending rapist troons to women’s prisons, while still parroting gender nonsense. The result? It now does stupid shit like this


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It’s unclear what these masculine features were. Possibly this was some brain-damaged pooner feeling much affirmed by her time in big boy prison. It’s at least equally likely this was a woman whose protestations that she was female were ignored because they’re so used to troon criminals and official documents which are worse than useless in determining sex. We’re back to intimate searches of women as the only way to identify the interlopers. Just another way women suffer because male perverts have been indulged for far too long.

Spoiler: text

Woman prisoner was 'wrongly sent to an all-male jail and forced to stay overnight' because she had 'masculine features'
By MIRIAM KUEPPER
PUBLISHED: 02:19 GMT, 28 October 2024 | UPDATED: 08:03 GMT, 28 October 2024

A woman was allegedly wrongly sent to an all-male prison and forced to stay there overnight because she had 'masculine features'.

The female prisoner was sent to high-security prison HMP Perth overnight on October 21 and was only transferred to Cornton Vale, the only women's jail in Scotland, the next day, according to the Telegraph.

A review of procedures has since been launched by Police Scotland and the Scottish Prison Service.

The woman was remanded after appearing at Kirkcaldy Sheriff Court, where she was processed as a man, after which the court escrow crew took her to HMP Perth.

This comes after the Scottish Prison Service changed its rules regarding transgender prisoners following the Isla Bryson scandal, which saw a rapist previously named Adam Graham initially being sent to a women's jail.

The female prisoner was sent to high-security prison HMP Perth (pictured) overnight on October 21 and was only transferred to Cornton Vale, the only women's jail in Scotland, the next day, according to the Telegraph

By the time the error was discovered, it was reportedly too late to transport her to Cornton Vale (pictured), so the female prisoner was swiftly taken to segregation overnight.

Prisoners are supposed to be sent to a prison corresponding to their biological gender initially, according to the new police - but this did not happen with the woman who was sent to HMP Perth, who is biologically female.

'This is a complete embarrassment for everyone involved,' a source told the Telegraph.

'Taking a female to a male prison and leaving her there is a shocker. An assumption was made, based on someone's appearance and not much else.

The source added that the woman's biological gender only came to light when a more thorough search was carried out by prison staff.

By the time the error was discovered, it was reportedly too late to transport her to Cornton Vale, so the female prisoner was swiftly taken to segregation at HMP Perth overnight.

For Women Scotland, a campaign group, said the incident was highlighting the 'sloppy recording and reporting of sex' versus the person's gender identity.

The group added that the female prisoner sent to HMP Perth 'has definitely been put at risk'.

A Police Scotland spokesperson confirmed that an individual was remanded 'with incomplete information about their gender', adding that the force was reviewing its custody procedure following the incident.

A spokesperson for the Scottish Prison Service said that they had procedures to keep every prisoner safe when a new one is admitted, which includes separating the new arrival from the mainstream prison population 'where appropriate'.

 

[I call shenanigans]

Edit: Also, Australia is lost with so many stupid laws. Hanson was silenced for trying to prove that women are women and men are men. Sad.

Hanson is stupid as well as openly racist. As an example she thought the answer to inflation was just to have the mint print more money. That just meant, even when she made valid points, she was never taken seriously. She was an Australian political joke, with zero political power.

 

[the inconfident]

Hanson is stupid as well as openly racist. As an example she thought the answer to inflation was just to have the mint print more money. That just meant, even when she made valid points, she was never taken seriously. She was an Australian political joke, with zero political power.

A shame, as in this case, she had valid points.

 

[Not Dr. Evil]

Kate Strangio nuked her Twitter account.

 

[Not Dr. Evil]

THIS IS NOT A FACT.

 

[Izdaja Slika]

Hanson is stupid as well as openly racist. As an example she thought the answer to inflation was just to have the mint print more money. That just meant, even when she made valid points, she was never taken seriously. She was an Australian political joke, with zero political power.

When did Hanson say this about printing more money?

 

[I call shenanigans]

When did Hanson say this about printing more money?

Can’t tell you exactly but it would have been either 1997 or 1998 after the formation on the One Nation Party. From memory it was David Ettridge that came up with it as a solution to inflation at the time. Pauline as leader of the party ran with it before being advised how her party’s solution would actually make inflation worse. From then it became an ongoing joke.

You can see mention of here with the journalist suggesting it was 1996, so maybe she talked about it then and it just carried through once One Nation was formed. It’s really is too long ago for me to remember exact dates or circumstances. I do however remember watching her on TV saying those words and being summarily howled down for her stupidity.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-04-12/pauline-hanson2c-redux/56318

 

[Izdaja Slika]

Can’t tell you exactly but it would have been either 1997 or 1998 after the formation on the One Nation Party. From memory it was David Ettridge that came up with it as a solution to inflation at the time. Pauline as leader of the party ran with it before being advised how her party’s solution would actually make inflation worse. From then it became an ongoing joke.

You can see mention of here with the journalist suggesting it was 1996, so maybe she talked about it then and it just carried through once One Nation was formed. It’s really is too long ago for me to remember exact dates or circumstances. I do however remember watching her on TV saying those words and being summarily howled down for her stupidity.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-04-12/pauline-hanson2c-redux/56318

I can't see any quotes of Hanson saying printing more money would reduce inflation. I found one relevant blog post http://jpbenney.blogspot.com/2013/02/understanding-hansons-print-more-money.html saying One Nation suggested Australia should flood the international currency market with Australian dollars. When the US increases the money supply, they call it quantitative easing.

I also contest that Pauline Hanson is 'openly racist', though the word 'racist' has been so overused and tossed around that to be called racist is virtually meaningless.

 

[Coo Coo Bird]

THIS IS NOT A FACT.

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I mean, in the general sense of they shouldn't be beaten up or denied housing and such. But troons interpreted "you have the same basic rights any other citizen has" as "you can do whatever you want".

 

[Caesar]

I mean, in the general sense of they shouldn't be beaten up or denied housing and such. But troons interpreted "you have the same basic rights any other citizen has" as "you can do whatever you want".

I would even extend it to most Americans probably don't care too much about calling Jim by his new name Jane, same as if he changed it to Steve, just to be polite if they didn't go so hard on you MUST see me as a woman.

Pronouns are a bit more of a wedge, of course.

 

[Procrastinhater]

I would even extend it to most Americans probably don't care too much about calling Jim by his new name Jane, same as if he changed it to Steve, just to be polite if they didn't go so hard on you MUST see me as a woman.

Pronouns are a bit more of a wedge, of course.

Personally I fucking despise Troons but I'll call someone whatever name they want, if a 6'8" 275 pound dude wants to call himself Alice, then I'll call him Alice, I'll just think he's a fucking weirdo with a girls name.
I'm not gonna call him a woman though, or use the wrong pronouns.
You can chose or change your name. Its personal to you.
You can't choose or change your sex.
Thats not personal to you, it affects everyone.
Words have meanings. You can't alter language because reality hurts your feelings.

Its when they start demanding people change their language and deny reality to suit them that I, and most people, have a problem. And nothing is ever enough for these people. They get given an inch they demand a mile. You compromise on one thing they sense weakness and start demanding other things. Its never enough for them. You see them complaining even about people who use their pronouns because they "can sense" they don't really see them as whatever they are LARPing as. They demand total submission, people tried to compromise, they tried to be nice, not hurt their feelings, and the result was they got to the point they started demanding access to our kids.

No.

Enough is enough.
The line must be drawn HERE.

 

[Caesar]

Personally I fucking despise Troons but I'll call someone whatever name they want, if a 6'8" 275 pound dude wants to call himself Alice, then I'll call him Alice, I'll just think he's a fucking weirdo with a girls name.
I'm not gonna call him a woman though, or use the wrong pronouns.
You can chose or change your name. Its personal to you.
You can't choose or change your sex. Words have meanings. You can't alter language because reality hurts your feelings.

Yep, but I think most Americans, and most people, would rather a quiet life and placate Jane if that's all it was. You could legally change your name to Fluffy and I'd treat it similar. Call you Fluffy to your face, but you're not a cat - might be a pussy, though.

 

[the inconfident]

THIS IS NOT A FACT.

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For me is that:
1. Keep the kids safe from all this crap.
2. I don't care if trannies cut their dicks, if pooners cut their breasts, or if they decide that their new gender identification sign is adding horns to their foreheads, as long it is not made with taxpayer money & they keep it away from kids.

The problem is: They always go for the kids. They groom kids. They abuse kids.
You give them an inch and they take an arm. You call the 6'8'' dude Alice as Procrastinhater masterfully examplified and then Alice will want to be called her, change her documents and start to project her insecurities and fetishes on kids. These people will want to change what kids learn in school, family values, how to be a productive citizen, the sense of community. Everything.

Enough is enough.
The line must be drawn HERE.

This. This has to be done.
It's not a matter of caring or supporting the individual rights. It's something that must be done for the whole "fabric" of society to exist.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

Personally I fucking despise Troons but I'll call someone whatever name they want, if a 6'8" 275 pound dude wants to call himself Alice, then I'll call him Alice, I'll just think he's a fucking weirdo with a girls name.

 

[Not Dr. Evil]

An upstate New York transgender woman is suing Hooters for repeatedly refusing to hire her — while the restaurant claims she was booted for inappropriate behavior starting before she transitioned.

Brandy Livingston told NEWS 10 that she applied three times to work as a tight-topped staffer at the chain’s diner in Colonie — despite alleging that she was harassed by staff there as a regular customer.

“They would use male pronouns — they would refer to me as ‘he,'” alleged Livingston, who only recently transitioned to female.

“I overheard one of the servers after I left the restroom talking to one of the managers and said, ‘Why are you allowing him in the women’s restroom?’ And the manager said, ‘Oh, I don’t like it any more than you do,” Livingston alleged.

Even so, Livingston says she applied three times to work there, complaining that she got rejected each time without a fair shake.

A hiring manager didn’t even care if she had suitable experience, she told News 10. “He said, ‘Oh, we don’t care about experience. We hire on the basis of personality. And there’s an image that needs to be met,'” she alleged.

Hooters, however, painted a vastly different picture — alleging that Livingston was asked to not return to the restaurant for alarming behavior starting before she transitioned.

The wannabe worker made multiple servers uncomfortable by proposing marriage and discussing masturbation — and even threatened to go to a gun range to practice for the next time she visited, Hooters told the outlet via lawyers.

Transgender New Yorker sues Hooters for refusing to hire her — while chain claims she was barred for inappropriate behavior

 

[LimeRikki]

Even so, Livingston says she applied three times to work there, complaining that she got rejected each time without a fair shake.

Aw, thats no good! Everyone deserves a fair--

The wannabe worker made multiple servers uncomfortable by proposing marriage and discussing masturbation — and even threatened to go to a gun range to practice for the next time she visited, Hooters told the outlet via lawyers.

--aaannnd there it is. What the hell would this pervert have done to the waitresses had he been hired?

...Best not to think about it.

 

[Not Dr. Evil]

Troons take another L.

(CN) — A split three-judge panel in the Seventh Circuit Wednesday greenlit Indiana's ban on gender-affirming care for minors.

The measure prohibits youth hormone therapy, puberty blockers and gender reassignment surgery. Indiana's Republican Governor Eric Holcomb signed it into law in April 2023, but before it could take effect that July, U.S. District Judge James Patrick Hanlon, a Donald Trump appointee, issued a preliminary injunction against most of its components.

Hanlon, ruling in a suit brought by a class of transgender youth represented by attorneys from the Indiana ACLU, suspended the moratorium on most gender-affirming medical procedures, though he allowed the ban on gender reassignment surgery to stand. He also blocked a provision of the law which would allow the state to prosecute medical practitioners who help trans youth access those procedures elsewhere.

The decision prompted an appeal to the Seventh Circuit, which heard arguments in February. Eleven days later, in a precursor to Wednesday's ruling, the appeals court lifted Hanlon’s injunction.

In its final ruling, the Seventh Circuit panel said that the lower court erred in finding that plaintiffs affected by the ban faced irreparable harm.

“While it was correct to recognize the record evidence supporting the effectiveness of medical interventions to treat gender dysphoria, the court failed to even discuss other record evidence establishing that psychotherapy and psychosocial support are also effective treatment options,” U.S. Circuit Judge Michael Brennan, a Trump appointee, wrote for the majority. “It might be different if Indiana barred all treatment for gender dysphoria, but SEA 480 does no such thing.”

The panel majority also ruled against plaintiffs’ claims that their due process and equal protection rights are infringed by the ban.

“It bars gender transition procedures regardless of whether the patient is a boy or a girl: Nobody may receive the treatment the state has chosen to regulate,” Brennan wrote. “So, sex does not indicate on what basis treatment is prohibited. The law does not create a class of one sex and a class of another and deny treatment to just one of those classes.”

U.S. Circuit Judge Kenneth Ripple, a Ronald Reagan appointee, joined Brennan in the majority decision.

Split 7th Circuit OKs Indiana law banning youth transgender treatment