Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

The establishment rags are beginning to change their messaging ...
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Kuritan Deplorable said:
Free opportunity, really. Its not exactly a skillset they can practice or train freely, and staying fresh and sharp is important in the line of work. Losing a few glowies is expected, but they probably consider it worthwhile to retain that capability since the US isn't fucking around in sandboxes right now. They can chalk up a few losses to helping an ally, have an excuse to use and not lose some budget, and keep teams sharp.

There's probably operatives off helping Israel in similar capacity right now, its not unique to Ukraine or particularly ideologically motivated.
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No, I understand why the US would encourage such a thing, my question is why an individual would walk into a conflict for which there is no expectation of assistance and survival is measured in days, even hours, in some T/Os. Maybe having been at Ft Sill when artillery was still a thing so even civilians several miles away could feel, and measure, the impact of artillery shells as they hit a target makes me more savvy than these retards. They're quick to run to the defense of a foreign country like Israel or the Ukraine but ignore our open Southern border and what it's done to our country.

idk, thanks, Russia for taking out our zogbots, I guess.
 
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Butterschmalz said:
"Elite". Four dudes trying to "penetrate" the Russian line. Walking straight into artillery fire. What kind of NATO tactic is that?
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It's probably pre-drone-warfare tactics. Against angry middle-easterners using old Soviet Surplus equipment, they could probably slip small squads past defensive lines for recon or raids and get out safely.

Against a modern opponent, they were probably spotted immediately on thermal imaging and drone-striked/arty'd until their heat signatures faded. Then rounded up and catalogued.

Based on the amount of launchers with them, they were probably sent in to try and hit Russian vehicles or equipment from the woods at night.

But neither tree cover or darkness give any concealment against Russian drones. They probably didn't even know they were spotted until they were fired on. Taken by complete surprise.

I cannot stress enough how unprepared for a modernized enemy these troops are. This is not a war these people were trained to fight.

At minimum, they would've needed the airspace above them to be covered by friendly drones and/or anti-drone units to even have a chance. And the Ukies obviously don't have the capability to do so.
Feline Supremacist said:
No, I understand why the US would encourage such a thing, my question is why an individual would walk into a conflict for which there is no expectation of assistance and survival is measured in days, even hours, in some T/Os.
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A variety of reasons:
  • SpecOps types that can't adjust to civilian life and NEED a conflict to fight in
  • True believers that really think Russia will reform the Soviet Union and take over the world if not stopped here
  • Believing the "Ukraine is winning, we just need some experienced troops to tip the scales!" propaganda
  • Glowies blackmailing them
  • Financial troubles/debts and a glowie or NGO miraculously showing up with an offer of enough money to secure their family even if they wind up KIA
  • Being recruited in "An advisory role" and being sent to the front when they arrive
 
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Butterschmalz said:
"Elite". Four dudes trying to "penetrate" the Russian line. Walking straight into artillery fire. What kind of NATO tactic is that?
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comment above me put it more extensively but it was clearly a suicide of some sort.

Some people get that blaze of glory complex in them. A lot of veterans are of that age, a lot of former Beliebers ten years out of their peak are just done. We've seen all sorts of western absurdity go out of it's way to hopelessly no homework bump heads against Russia; so it's nothing new nor spectacular.

But it is novel, some westerners are truly losing the faith and not in a HEY IMA TENURED UKRAINIAN NATIONALISTS SO I'VE GOT LICENCE TO SPEAK.; but actually born and ready to die way.
 
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Kuritan Deplorable said:
There's probably operatives off helping Israel in similar capacity right now, its not unique to Ukraine or particularly ideologically motivated.
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Yup, mutt operatives and commandos are helping kikeish SOF in raids and attempted rescue operations.
EscapeVorkuta said:
It's a shame what happened to the Germans. Such a beautiful race turned into a mass collection of fucking faggots. We sure could use some Freikorps right about now to mass exterminate leftist movements.
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Retards deserve to be punished for their retardation.
 
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Feline Supremacist said:
No, I understand why the US would encourage such a thing, my question is why an individual would walk into a conflict for which there is no expectation of assistance and survival is measured in days, even hours, in some T/Os.
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Echo_Doge said:
SpecOps types that can't adjust to civilian life and NEED a conflict to fight in
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This is a big factor for a lot of the 'volunteers' these agencies manage to get ahold of. Lotta these lifers are just so used to it, often threw away a great deal of their life in service, and don't really know what to turn to, or how to turn to it. When you're in situations as dangerous as you describe on the regular, you don't tend to conservatively invest your money for a long term retirement, you tend to blow it all and live in the moment. So retirement to anything other than poverty is pretty unlikely for most of them, and they also have to leave behind their friends and shit who are presumably still out there fighting, not a good feel when brothers in arms is so thoroughly drilled into you. And that's not even starting on the fact that most of these people are probably some level of genuinely bloodthirsty, you don't get into wetwork if you're uncomfortable with the idea of hurting 'bad guys'. At the end of the day, they're out to keep feeling like the guys saving the day, fighting the good fight and keeping up with the right side of history.

Its honestly a bit of a troon mentality, they're so fixated and caught up in what they perceive themselves as, that they'll go through just about any mental hoops and risks to keep up with that perception. They're usually at the point that they live for this shit. When you expected to die by 30 in some field work, going off on some high risk raid in Ukraine in yer late forties doesn't feel like an undue threat. If you die, hey, you were expecting that ticket to get punched eventually.
 
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CaptainAutism69 said:
Someone in the White House leaked that part of Zelensky's 'peace plan' was Tomahawk missles from the USA, which were refused because the USA saw this as an esclation. Z-Man is pissed that it was leaked and is now seething over 'lack of confidentiality between allies'

His days are numbered.
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All of our days our numbered!

But why should the US kill him for being a grumbling manlet? I don't think the US will assassinate him, and the Russians stand to gain nothing by assassinating him as well. We killed the Diems because it seemed like a way to remove an unpopular government and replace it with a popular one. What division in Ukrainian society is Zelensky on the wrong side of, the way the Diems were as Catholics in a Buddhist country? We didn't kill the Shah for being our useless retard, he was OUR useless retard. We hooked him up and his life was less good than being king of persia but definitely better than 'guest of the ayatollah.
 
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Harambe said:
But why should the US kill him for being a grumbling manlet? I don't think the US will assassinate him, and the Russians stand to gain nothing by assassinating him as well
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Feels like I said this forever and a day ago now, but I'm confident the end-state plan for the Zelinsky regime is a pocket government in exile for the US. Killing them is not worth the knock on effects of loss of confidence of other US allies that they won't be protected in the event that they go to bat for the superpower. Much cheaper and preferable to show "No, we'll protect you" and soak the marginal cost of giving Ukraine a compound and little budget to run a rump government out of, so they can rattle about reclaiming Ukraine every few years whenever they need to change the story of the week.

I couldn't begin to guess if a restoration of Ukraine would ever be in the cards, but it doesn't need to be, either they do it or the government grows old and dies and nobody cares anymore.
 
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demicolon said:
Cute, only a matter of time 'till human traffickers get their acting chops for military recruiters and abduct hundreds of women from depopulated sinkholes before anyone important catches on.
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Well there's a horrifying possibility.

Your Ukranian prostitutes are a bit "used up"? Great news, you can sell them back to the trafficers and get a cut of per capite payment the recruits are getting!
 
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Feline Supremacist said:
I wonder about people like this, who have a safe and comfortable life then decide volunteer to throw it away in a foreign land. Is it the money? Surely he could have lived comfortably in the US or abroad, without resorting to mercenary work. Is it ideological and if so, what ideology? Is American Exceptionalism an ideology? I honestly have no idea what motivates an American to join the AFU other than stupidity, ignorance or extreme naïveté, it really is a mystery to me.
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They seek purpose.
 
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Harambe said:
But why should the US kill him for being a grumbling manlet? I don't think the US will assassinate him, and the Russians stand to gain nothing by assassinating him as well.
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The way this works is the US would let their preferred replacement know that they will back him if something unfortunate were to happen to Zelensky. And then they let nature take its course and Z either catches wind of it and flees to London or dies in an unfortunate accident.

Also, I think Putin wants Zelesnky gone as well since he knows he backed himself into a corner by saying he would never give up an inch of Ukrainian land for an armistice. I think the trick is, how do you find someone suitable to both the US and Russia as a replacement. The answer is, you don't. Which is why this turd still floats.
 
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