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This doesn't exist in the US legal system.
Greer v. Moon, No. 20-cv-00647 (D. Utah Sep. 16, 2020)
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The problem I have with this going to Arbitration is that it accepts there is a dispute about something, and the goal is equitable resolution, whatever that may be.
IMO there is no Dispute. Russ wants what cannot be given due to something that Null did not do.
IMO there is no Dispute. Russ wants what cannot be given due to something that Null did not do.
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That's exactly what an arbitration agreement does, and it's enforced to an extreme degree. In fact, now if you ever ordered Uber Eats, you're not allowed to sue even if they deliberately run you over in one of their cars.
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I thought this got resolved and he isn't anymore.
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Iirc, Disney has also taken this argument forward - subscribe to Disney+? No personal injury at Walt Disney World.
Well, they tried, then backed off.
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They backed off, but still said they could do it again.
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Well, sure, of course. Prudent, if retarded.
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I don't remember him signing a similar agreement with Kiwi Farms. Maybe that can be one of the terms and conditions for joining.
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I used to find this case really interesting when it seemed like there was more hope. I find it interesting now though as a barometer of how bad the legal system for an entity like the Kiwifarms.
I also think the best way to deal with this lawsuit is to minimize its effects such that Null could be indifferent to its existence, even if it continues in perpetuity. I am not saying that doing something like that would be easy mind you. Lawsuits fucking suck and are expensive and the legal system likes them to be expensive and so there are all kinds of blocks put in place to prevent someone doing what I suggest doing, but I think that is the only way to achieve some kind of victory.
Greer has no real chance of success all he can really do is be the really annoying retard no one wants to waste their time interacting with.
I also think the best way to deal with this lawsuit is to minimize its effects such that Null could be indifferent to its existence, even if it continues in perpetuity. I am not saying that doing something like that would be easy mind you. Lawsuits fucking suck and are expensive and the legal system likes them to be expensive and so there are all kinds of blocks put in place to prevent someone doing what I suggest doing, but I think that is the only way to achieve some kind of victory.
Greer has no real chance of success all he can really do is be the really annoying retard no one wants to waste their time interacting with.
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They backed off because the case was too hot and they didn't want a precedent that they can't use that clause as a catch-all excuse. They'll use it a thousand more times in little quiet cases no one cares about
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Legally signing away their right to sue will do absolutely nothing to stop retards like Greer, Stabby or others from trying anyway. Null would still have to pay Hardin or another lawyer to respond to the complaint and argue that the case should be thrown out until it is. That's how this one started and ended too, until it got resurrected by the 10th Circus. He'd then be left to also deal with lolcows attempting arbitration with no real claim.
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Yeah, but you don't get to do arbitration for free, IIRC. So worst case, both parties would be losing, instead of just one
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forgive me, i’ve read over the recent posts, is arbitration even an option in this case? isn’t it mostly commercial? russ never signed any type of agreement with kiwifarms (that we know of). are we meaning mediation? again, forgive me if i missed something big.
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No, no, not other than the tos because he admitted having an account, and no (they already tried).
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Should Null cite portions of the book itself in the lawsuit?
Like point out that in this supposedly nonfiction book, Russ makes a slew of provably false claims, like that "kiwiorchards" was stalking him a year before the thread existed, that it hacked and destroyed all the computers in his work place, firebombed his totally real friend Ken and harassed Bailey Barnard into suicide, who, he interestingly didn't list on the kiwifarms kill count, proving he himself doesn't believe it.
Basically, could Hardin tell the judge "If he made up all this bullshit about kiwifarms in the book he's suing US over, how credibly can you take ANY of his claims about kiwifarms?"
Like point out that in this supposedly nonfiction book, Russ makes a slew of provably false claims, like that "kiwiorchards" was stalking him a year before the thread existed, that it hacked and destroyed all the computers in his work place, firebombed his totally real friend Ken and harassed Bailey Barnard into suicide, who, he interestingly didn't list on the kiwifarms kill count, proving he himself doesn't believe it.
Basically, could Hardin tell the judge "If he made up all this bullshit about kiwifarms in the book he's suing US over, how credibly can you take ANY of his claims about kiwifarms?"
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This case will never end.
This case does not end.
There is no end to this case.
This case will never end.
This case does not end.
There is no end to this case.
This case will never end.
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Not even if Rusty says, 'Imma guhd boi, yer honner! I dindu nuffin bahd!'?