TGWTG Nostalgia Chick / Lindsay Ellis / TheDudette - aka Hotdogs in face girl

[Eventide]

@Boston Brand: On the topic of Lindsay's book sales, I found a weird post Lindsay made on her Instagram that I was wondering if you could shed some light on:



...do publishers normally give leftover unsold book inventory to authors? I'd assume most unsold books get sent off to discount retailers (I saw stacks of both hardcover editions of Axiom's End and Truth of the Divine in two different Dollar Tree locations). Is it possible Lindsay was offered to purchase the unsold inventory at a steep discount (they were 1.25 each at the Dollar Tree, so I guess at at a price much lower than that)? Would giving her the unsold book inventory be indicative of being dropped by a publisher? (i.e. if the books were selling, why would they want to offload them?)

Note: the Gaza charity Lindsay is donating said book profits to is run by Dr Ghassan Abu Sittah - an outspoken British-Palestinian Pro-Hamas/Pro-Hezbollah "activist" surgeon who notably got himself banned from the countries of Germany & France for security reasons related to his comments supporting radical Islamic terrorism (after all those ISIS-affiliated terror attacks in France & Germany during the mid 2010's, both countries now generally deny visas to potential visitors who make statements on social media supporting radical Islamic terrorism).

 

[Random Internet Person]

@Boston Brand: On the topic of Lindsay's book sales, I found a weird post Lindsay made on her Instagram that I was wondering if you could shed some light on:

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...do publishers normally give leftover unsold book inventory to authors? I'd assume most unsold books get sent off to discount retailers (I saw stacks of both hardcover editions of Axiom's End and Truth of the Divine in two different Dollar Tree locations). Is it possible Lindsay was offered to purchase the unsold inventory at a steep discount (they were 1.25 each at the Dollar Tree, so I guess at at a price much lower than that)? Would giving her the unsold book inventory be indicative of being dropped by a publisher? (i.e. if the books were selling, why would they want to offload them?)

Note: the Gaza charity Lindsay is donating said book profits to is run by Dr Ghassan Abu Sittah - an outspoken British-Palestinian Pro-Hamas/Pro-Hezbollah "activist" surgeon who notably got himself banned from the countries of Germany & France for security reasons related to his comments supporting radical Islamic terrorism (after all those ISIS-affiliated terror attacks in France & Germany during the mid 2010's, both countries now generally deny visas to potential visitors who make statements on social media supporting radical Islamic terrorism).

Honestly, I’m more surprised that Lindsay admitted to the hardcover going out with typos, while being sent out by a major publisher.

Also, leave it to Lindsay to not take the time to look into the recipient of her donations.

 

[Three Gorillion Dollars]

"Net profit." Watch Lindsay cut herself a big slice of expenses before figuring out the amount she has to donate.

 

[Hellbound Hellhound]

I already provided the bookscan numbers. The drops between books were actually not far off from that.

Here we are years later, and damn near half her total sales are still from the first week of book one's release.

Would it be safe to say that she would probably have made more money if she had simply self-published? I have no idea what the typical advance would be for a first time author with a sizable online platform such as Lindsay, but the amount of engagement book 2 and book 3 seem to be getting doesn't appear to be any better than the standard self-published dreck that online influencers like to put out.

Even some of the low-level lolcows who are featured on this very site (like Aaron Clarey, Roosh V, and Vox Day, for example) have more online ratings on their garbage than Lindsay does for her second and third novels. Surely, the sales from her first book can't make up for the lower royalties traditional publishing offers.

 

[Ninon42]

Also, leave it to Lindsay to not take the time to look into the recipient of her donations.

Worse, I have no doubt that she did and still chose to send money to terrorists because its the cause du jour. Despite rarely participating in any sort of charity, the ones she has include this and Mermaids, the British child mutilation org that just got cited yet again for pushing chemical castration on kids. And why not put any of that money towards the American Hurricane Helene survivors, Lindsay? Would have been a perfect opportunity, but nah.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

@Boston Brand: On the topic of Lindsay's book sales, I found a weird post Lindsay made on her Instagram that I was wondering if you could shed some light on:



...do publishers normally give leftover unsold book inventory to authors? I'd assume most unsold books get sent off to discount retailers (I saw stacks of both hardcover editions of Axiom's End and Truth of the Divine in two different Dollar Tree locations). Is it possible Lindsay was offered to purchase the unsold inventory at a steep discount (they were 1.25 each at the Dollar Tree, so I guess at at a price much lower than that)? Would giving her the unsold book inventory be indicative of being dropped by a publisher? (i.e. if the books were selling, why would they want to offload them?)

So, I have heard of this. Colleen Doran, who's a comic artist who worked on Sandman, talked about this in a blog that's no longer around. Basically, if you ask them, the publisher will give extra copies they have to the author on the cheap, apparently Doran heard about it from Harlan Ellison or someone like that. I think she got copies of her books for print cost, or even less than that, and then sold them at cons at retail price, making a bundle.

For St Martin's press, they were probably glad to get rid of them by that point.

 

[grapeshark77]

Lindsay has turned into Patrick Tomlinson, "hand-selling" her unsold copies. She had to stick the charity thing in there to make it less humiliating. I can see her lugging boxes of these to cons and then taking most of them back home in the future.

 

[Random Internet Person]

Lindsay has turned into Patrick Tomlinson, "hand-selling" her unsold copies. She had to stick the charity thing in there to make it less humiliating. I can see her lugging boxes of these to cons and then taking most of them back home in the future.

Part of me thinks she won’t hit the con circuit because it’d hurt her ego. She might run into Doug Walker!

 

[Eventide]

Worse, I have no doubt that she did and still chose to send money to terrorists because its the cause du jour. Despite rarely participating in any sort of charity, the ones she has include this and Mermaids, the British child mutilation org that just got cited yet again for pushing chemical castration on kids. And why not put any of that money towards the American Hurricane Helene survivors, Lindsay? Would have been a perfect opportunity, but nah.

According to this very recent Telegraph article, the Mermaids charity was up to much worse:

Spoiler: quote from article

The commission also said there had been a failure to carry out sufficient due diligence checks when recruiting trustees, referring to an incident where an ex-trustee of the charity, known as Dr Breslow, had spoken at a conference organized by a pdf-file support group before being appointed. The charity, which said it only became aware of his attendance at that event when a news story was published, released a statement at the time, in 2022, saying he “should never have been appointed to the board

Honestly, I’m more surprised that Lindsay admitted to the hardcover going out with typos, while being sent out by a major publisher.

Also, leave it to Lindsay to not take the time to look into the recipient of her donations.

You guys are being too gracious. Lets be real here - Lindsay is cool with donating to a Gaza charity run by an outspoken Hamas supporter because she's probably some-flavor of white supremacist (Perhaps the Creativity Movement? They're Trump-hating atheists vegans) who wants Muslims to blow themselves up to kill Israeli Jews.

If Lindsay actually cared about the suffering of Muslims in war torn Middle Eastern countries, she wouldn't have written a book propagating the Islamophobic stereotype that all Muslim-refugees welcomed into America are secret Al Qaeda supporters that will inevitably commit treason against the United States. That's the sorta bigoted rhetoric that leads to Americans supporting Trump-style Muslim travel ban restrictions, & the feds wasting millions of taxpayer dollars per year to send glowies to infiltrate mosques/Muslim community centers across the country to see if their bake sales & swap-meets are actually fronts for evil terrorist shenanigans. i.e.....wasting taxpayer dollars that would arguably be better spent investigating actual domestic terrorist threats, like deranged never-Trumpers threatening to burn shit to the ground if Trump wins in November because they think he's basically Hitler (& just like Hitler, Trump vows to...support Israel more than the current Biden administration, and federally prosecute Marxist pro-Hamas protesters who threaten Jews on college campus' throughout the country??? )

In other news, Lindsay probably browsed this thread recently, if her random meme post is any indication. ALSO, she's salivating at the thought of a Trump win in November somehow leading to a Red Terror-style radical leftist uprising:



...she does realize Franco/fascists won the Spanish Civil War, right? Quite brutally, as well.

 

[Polexia Aphrodisia]

According to this very recent Telegraph article, the Mermaids charity was up to much worse:

Did you really censor the word "paedophile" to faggoty TikTok newspeak "pdf-file" when posting this quote?

Because I clicked on the link - fuck you for making me look at all those ads - and it clearly says "paedophile".

Scrape the brainrot out, jesus fucking christ.

 

[Eventide]

Did you really censor the word "paedophile" to faggoty TikTok newspeak "pdf-file" when posting this quote?

Oh, sorry. My phone's spellchecker/autotyper app did that. I had recently been commenting under Mr. Beast "exposed" gossip videos, & had autoswapped the word to pdf-file to adhere to TikTok/Youtube standards. It's a pain in the ass to change the settings back, and it's not really a word that comes up in my vernacular so I just left the setting in place

 

[Disco Snake]

In other news, Lindsay probably browsed this thread recently, if her random meme post is any indication. ALSO, she's salivating at the thought of a Trump win in November somehow leading to a Red Terror-style radical leftist uprising:

I think Lindsay is one of the few cows who doesn't thread read. However, switching from Trump=Hitler to Trump= Franco right around the time we're talking about her alleged antisemitism is hilarious. I'm convinced Lindsay life is moving from one "if you squint" incident to the next.

 

[FedPostalService]

...she does realize Franco/fascists won the Spanish Civil War, right? Quite brutally, as well.

And they were able to win because the left spent so much time splitting into factions and fighting itself Franco was able to just mop the up as they were a disorganised rabble.

 

[Random Internet Person]

And they were able to win because the left spent so much time splitting into factions and fighting itself Franco was able to just mop the up as they were a disorganised rabble.

And now I have to wonder if Lindsay and BreadTube will end up having that same fate.

 

[Bagger 293]

indsay is cool with donating to a Gaza charity run by an outspoken Hamas supporter because she's probably some-flavor of white supremacist (Perhaps the Creativity Movement? They're Trump-hating atheists vegans) who wants Muslims to blow themselves up to kill Israeli Jews.

Did your brain short-circuit while writing this or what? Bizarre "pdf-file" slip pointed out already aside, did you seriously mean to suggest Ellis donated money to a charity for Gazans as part of some 4D chess manoeuvre to slightly increase the number of dead Arabs and/or Israelis because she is a white supremacist?

Really. She's part of the what movement? Has she ever even talked about that before? Is it at all relvant to this thread or did you just read about it earlier today and want to bring it up? Can you at least try to contain your autism and take this sperging somewhere it's relevant?

...she does realize Franco/fascists won the Spanish Civil War, right? Quite brutally, as well.

The credibility of your claims about Ellis' status as a stealthyskinhead is really harmed by your displaying inability to do some basic reading. Obviously, she means to imply that that the sequence of events leading up to the civil war in Spain - a close, contentious election followed by a coup from the right wing - might be paralleled in the near future. Not that she can't wait to join a victorious anarchist militia or whatever you decided to read into it because she mentioned a civil war.

I only mention that fairly pedantic point because so much of what you post here rests on this house of cards-style close critical reading of Ellis' books that you have apparently carried out and that has allowed you to uncover these crazy subliminal nazi references, and yet here you are unable to interpret a tweet, and I think if I looked back through your posts I would see a lot of that.


Yeah, looking over it again most of your post is just giga- which you just prefaced with maybe half a sentence about Ellis' book.

 

[Random Internet Person]

@Bagger 293 i said it before and I’ll say it again: Hanlon’s Razor. Lindsay thinks she’s smarter and more skilled than what she really is, so she’s gonna put in a bunch of talk about Bush Administration policies when it seems most people just wanted some human/alien sex.

If there’s any reason Lindsay hasn’t been called out for her political writing, it’s because it’s in a cloak of being talked about in the context of a world shaped by the whims of GWB and Dick Cheney.

Also, anything regarding Gaza is most likely in the context of “left wing is pro Palestine. The war must be stopped. Along with Bibi’s bloodlust.”

The only thing is that most who think that know how to structure their argument without coming out in support of Hamas. And I guess Lindsay doesn’t.

 

[Boston Brand]

@Boston Brand: On the topic of Lindsay's book sales, I found a weird post Lindsay made on her Instagram that I was wondering if you could shed some light on:

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...do publishers normally give leftover unsold book inventory to authors? I'd assume most unsold books get sent off to discount retailers (I saw stacks of both hardcover editions of Axiom's End and Truth of the Divine in two different Dollar Tree locations). Is it possible Lindsay was offered to purchase the unsold inventory at a steep discount (they were 1.25 each at the Dollar Tree, so I guess at at a price much lower than that)? Would giving her the unsold book inventory be indicative of being dropped by a publisher? (i.e. if the books were selling, why would they want to offload them?)

Note: the Gaza charity Lindsay is donating said book profits to is run by Dr Ghassan Abu Sittah - an outspoken British-Palestinian Pro-Hamas/Pro-Hezbollah "activist" surgeon who notably got himself banned from the countries of Germany & France for security reasons related to his comments supporting radical Islamic terrorism (after all those ISIS-affiliated terror attacks in France & Germany during the mid 2010's, both countries now generally deny visas to potential visitors who make statements on social media supporting radical Islamic terrorism).

So there are one of two possibilities, though without proof, we can only guess how certain the second may be here.

Pretty much every publisher will let authors buy thier books in bulk for cheap, for signings, hand selling, all that stuff. It's one small benefit of working with a publisher, and a ton of authors make a good chunk of nontaxable petty cash selling thier own books. Not enough to get rich, but definitely pay a bill or two, more if you are particularly good at selling in person. Authors that have that knack are a rare breed though.

Lindsay's post however... makes me think it's the second possibility. That her books are being remaindered by the publisher.

See, every publisher has warehouses full of books, or rents space from a publisher that has thier own warehouse. This is where they keep all the inventory not currently on a store shelf somewhere.

Space like that eventually comes at a premium. So publishers will start eliminating the titles that are just sitting there collecting dust, costing the company money. Or the author has been dropped by the publisher, or the series canceled.

These books are then remaindered.

Then the author is given one last chance to buy the inventory... then the rest gets either dumped for pennies on the dollar, donated to places like charities, prisons or the military, or more often than not, mulched.

For our book collectors in here, and black dot or line on the top or bottom, made with marker. Never pay full price for any book that has one, hell, chain bookstores aren't even allowed to sell them at that point. If you buy one on Amazon from a secondhand retailer, it's automatic grounds for a full refund if they charged near full amount.

Anyway, back to Lindsay.

She pretty much admits the publisher is clearing out her books. Which proves:
1) They aren't selling as well as the publisher hoped.
2) I was right they probably gave her a much bigger print run than she commercially deserved.
3) St. Martins lost money on those titles.

And it's probably a big sign that Lindsay isn't getting that next book deal and that St. Martins is dropping her.

Frankly, I'm astounded she's spilling details like this, I'm shocked she didn't catch that she is more or less admitting her publisher is losing interest in her.

 

[Random Internet Person]

@Boston Brand considering how Lindsay has mentioned that the three books published isn’t the end of her saga, is there any way to get her books out there besides the ego crush that is self publishing?

 

[Arthur Morgan]

Anyway, back to Lindsay.

She pretty much admits the publisher is clearing out her books. Which proves:
1) They aren't selling as well as the publisher hoped.
2) I was right they probably gave her a much bigger print run than she commercially deserved.
3) St. Martins lost money on those titles.

And it's probably a big sign that Lindsay isn't getting that next book deal and that St. Martins is dropping her.

Frankly, I'm astounded she's spilling details like this, I'm shocked she didn't catch that she is more or less admitting her publisher is losing interest in her.

She probably assumes, rightly, that her fans are too dumb to know what Remaindering is (Hell, I've heard of the practice and I completely forgot what it was called or the specifics when it came up in this thread). And her simps are either going to assume the publisher was just being nice to her, or they know and will prevent anyone from saying it out loud.

As for the next book, I wonder if she'll self-publish in the hopes that she can get her 'career' back on track or if she'll try and sweep it all under the rug?

 

[Random Internet Person]

She probably assumes, rightly, that her fans are too dumb to know what Remaindering is (Hell, I've heard of the practice and I completely forgot what it was called or the specifics when it came up in this thread). And her simps are either going to assume the publisher was just being nice to her, or they know and will prevent anyone from saying it out loud.

Honestly, i think the matter is making it sound like Lindsay is a big name in the industry.

As for the next book, I wonder if she'll self-publish in the hopes that she can get her 'career' back on track or if she'll try and sweep it all under the rug?

How is Lindsay going to spin self publishing into a thing where she wasn’t told to fuck off because her books were trash?