DarksydePhil / TheyCallMeDSP / Phil Burnell: General Discussion #2

[Kier Starmer]

I am going to issue code black, I have been following Phil for too long but his numbers and interactions are the worst they have been. His earnings are also down massively too as he is barely tipped and his HOA have been hounding him to fix things. Remember he has annual inspections which would have been cancelled due to covid and Seattle is blue so inspections hwould have begun in 2023. They would have been lenient at first and Phil would have laid the excuses but now the Condo people have said to fix shit. ALso Khet is clearly not working, she is living in the living room as Phil said "she finds the stairs difficult"code for the bitch is downstairs.

The problem is with Phil is he lacks foresight but also any kind of self-awareness. Any onlooker with decent knowledge can see as the years add up Phil's net shrinks but also any clout he has as a lolcow. He is not in the position now to be a guest on a podcast because we have seen that result and the people who made that decision regret it because it was a draining experience. A co-host is supposed to breath life into the role but Phil is anything but that. We know in our heart of hearts that its only 3 or 4 peopleand the same group of dolphins.

The problem is now with these 2 KC whales is 2 things;

1. Their split attention, they have 2 shows to support and at anytime will leave Phil, Void just did.
2. Phil's tendency to fuck it up, I think it will come down to how fake he is. He will say something libtarded and then the KC bunch will abandon him completely. Then he is back at OIC numbers those were awful.

The KC grab was his last grasp at relevancy but it was his most stupid choice because it trapped him into a niche group the operate brutally and Phil is a coward so will have to take the full brunt of it.

 

[Xavier Renegade Angel]

Heroes come and go but pigroaches never die

 

[Brother Milor]

DSP has been supported by 4-5 whales for literally years. The idea that he's teetering on some kind of precipice just because his raw viewers *appear* to be dropping is dumb. (I'm not convinced they are any different that what they have been; I think the change is the number of view bots dropping or stopping altogether, based on the fact that chat is moving about the same speed it did with the old numbers.)

For almost a decade, detractors have been saying "He's one missing whale from serious trouble" and despite chasing many whales off, he's still doing just fine. I'd be willing to accept the argument if we were in the middle of some kind of massive "DSP has gotten $5 a stream" streak, but a dip in stream numbers is an absolute nothing burger (again, assuming that it's real to begin with).

 

[Hectic Heckler]

Phil's boring these days - especially when he combines everything just to eek out a new tips/vest/retard streak. I can barely feel entertained watching the clip channels since it'll just be another hypocritical rant and a series of excuses as to why he's the perfect gamer and everyone else sucks.

Sadly, I've found myself coming back to the Philoverse since Bossmanjack could be looking at legit jail time, kino casino is off and on with their broadcasts, dickers/rtu is played out, ralph could legit die in the next 3-6 months and no one would be shocked. Phil is the one boring constant in a world of dying lolcows. Lord help us all...

 

[Cucktry Roads]

DSP has been supported by 4-5 whales for literally years. The idea that he's teetering on some kind of precipice just because his raw viewers *appear* to be dropping is dumb. (I'm not convinced they are any different that what they have been; I think the change is the number of view bots dropping or stopping altogether, based on the fact that chat is moving about the same speed it did with the old numbers.)

For almost a decade, detractors have been saying "He's one missing whale from serious trouble" and despite chasing many whales off, he's still doing just fine. I'd be willing to accept the argument if we were in the middle of some kind of massive "DSP has gotten $5 a stream" streak, but a dip in stream numbers is an absolute nothing burger (again, assuming that it's real to begin with).

If this KC arc wouldn't have happened, Phil would be in a bad place right now. Remember: 1MM left this year and Phil was struggling to get 50 bucks in tips before this arc and he was regularly panicking at that. Any tips he get were just his usual dolphins or OIC. 2 of his current 4 (if adamdbzman isn't OIC as all signs point to IronChef being OIC) only jumped onboard with the KC arc, and I don't see either of them still being here in 3 months.

 

[BPD Gunt Rider]

DSP has been supported by 4-5 whales for literally years. The idea that he's teetering on some kind of precipice just because his raw viewers *appear* to be dropping is dumb.

Logic does not apply with Phil and his vortex. He somehow always has a small group of whales. One goes, another comes out of nowhere. Phil is the Pigroach for good reason.

 

[arrivefriday]

This is late I guess but it just struck me just how much of a lolcow DSP really is. The Guy™ has been hated for over a decade on the internet and over night, some how, some way everyone now loves him again. Only someone who suffers from actual delusions would ever think this happened.

I think DSPolitics is truly going to be DSP's best content yet, luke-warm, retarded takes that only a hermit would be interested in. I'm rooting for ya, DSP

 

[neger psykolog]

DSP has been supported by 4-5 whales for literally years. The idea that he's teetering on some kind of precipice just because his raw viewers *appear* to be dropping is dumb. (I'm not convinced they are any different that what they have been; I think the change is the number of view bots dropping or stopping altogether, based on the fact that chat is moving about the same speed it did with the old numbers.)

For almost a decade, detractors have been saying "He's one missing whale from serious trouble" and despite chasing many whales off, he's still doing just fine. I'd be willing to accept the argument if we were in the middle of some kind of massive "DSP has gotten $5 a stream" streak, but a dip in stream numbers is an absolute nothing burger (again, assuming that it's real to begin with).

That may have been the case in the past and maybe you are still correct, but a lot has significantly changed compared to a few years ago. He doesn't even have the tumbleweed forums anymore, derish is gone and he has done a complete "rebranding" that seems to have alienated some of his old audience (who apparently do not like "drama" despite his streams always being filled with).

I mean I wouldn't be surprised because cockroach luck is a thing, but this time it seems very different. The internet is a whole lot noisier than it was before and old school detractors as well as long term viewers getting bored of DSP is not really a great indicator. Do keep in mind that one of the only reasons that DSP was so "popular" to begin with was his detractors and dedicated hate watchers, they were always part of the cycle that kept new people coming and following DSP, but he basically destroyed all of the mystery by doing the WWEC reveal.

Besides all of that, we all know and can fully agree on at least one thing: DSP doesn't have a slush fund and has and will always be a hair away from total financial disaster. Given what people have said about the house, refinancing and "mystery health issues" it's not exactly an optimistic picture.

Many people over the years have said that DSP is like a very slow paced car crash or train wreck. Just because "cockroach luck" has lasted this long doesn't mean that this shit will last forever. If DSP's viewers cut down enough, then the mega whales have far less motivation to tip DSP (since the motivation for at least some of them is to stick it to the detractors) and he just won't get random people coming across him like he used to.

At least from where I am standing, and keeping in mind I only followed DSP since like 2017, things seem very different now. There are people in this thread who have followed him much longer than I have who have also basically said the same thing.

The problem is with Phil is he lacks foresight but also any kind of self-awareness. Any onlooker with decent knowledge can see as the years add up Phil's net shrinks but also any clout he has as a lolcow. He is not in the position now to be a guest on a podcast because we have seen that result and the people who made that decision regret it because it was a draining experience. A co-host is supposed to breath life into the role but Phil is anything but that. We know in our heart of hearts that its only 3 or 4 peopleand the same group of dolphins.

I mean it can't be stated enough that he's in a precarious situation but is basically doing nothing about it besides flailing between different routes of failure when it comes to internet celebrity. I'd have so much more respect for him if he was seeing like a life coach or something (not a therapist) or just even proactively planning stuff.

Unfortunately he is so addicted to WWEC that I doubt anything else even registers for him at this point in time.

 

[neger psykolog]

double posting because I'm talking about hot ass that I used to beat off to as a teenager:

(I tried to use ChatGPT to recall this chick that had a hot ass backside and had a few low quality webcam shots in the early 00's and became "famous" without anyone ever knowing her true name/face as an example but ChatGPT is shit and this isn't the first time it has failed me on this kind of question)

It was Keyra Agustina if anyone cared lol. If you had unfettered internet access and were a horny teenager literally twenty fucking years ago then you'd know who she is/was. She's totally irrelevant nowadays or I guess just moved on from being famous for her ass. https://www.reddit.com/user/asexytoast/comments/1b95d4q/i_upscaled_keyra_agustinas_legendary_video/


On-topic, here are some tweets from some tweeter detractors who are noticing and starting to also comment on his dwindling viewership:

https://x.com/Grxit/status/1854369018431393950

https://x.com/PoemJosh/status/1854429996430905853

https://archive.md/3XxyM

 

[Don't bullshit us brother]

DSP has been supported by 4-5 whales for literally years. The idea that he's teetering on some kind of precipice just because his raw viewers *appear* to be dropping is dumb. (I'm not convinced they are any different that what they have been; I think the change is the number of view bots dropping or stopping altogether, based on the fact that chat is moving about the same speed it did with the old numbers.)

He us to have a lot more pre-covid. Swaggins, planet jeff etc would fight over tipping him. His widdled it down to only a few over the past couple years, its a slow burn for sure.

 

[PieceofShet]

DSP clearly dont care about politics and he is way too stupid to understand it even if he wanna... Dspolitics is just the next gimmick he hopes will make him successful. Just like kogaming1, reacting, interviewing, drama...

 

[DerelictOnion]

Hmmmmm I don't know about this great detractor exodus. Here are the YouTube channels which posted videos about DSP in the last week

DSP Tries It - Memology 101
James the Lesser Express Lane
Doody Streams
Mighty D
Rebsi
Snort Burnell
Bad Moments Reacts and Vods
Len the Deranged
AN1337
Atlus
Colonel J
Iveega
KingDDDuke
Brandood
Almighty Tevin
DSProjecting
Heyarvy
ChillMurray7

.....and probably more. There is too much Indian crap for me to continue.

I am not sure who most of these people are, probably not detractors per se, but still - DSP stuff is still being restreamed/watched/clipped/analyzed.

 

[neger psykolog]

Hmmmmm I don't know about this great detractor exodus. Here are the YouTube channels which posted videos about DSP in the last week

DSP Tries It - Memology 101
James the Lesser Express Lane
Doody Streams
Mighty D
Rebsi
Snort Burnell
Bad Moments Reacts and Vods
Len the Deranged
AN1337
Atlus
Colonel J
Iveega
KingDDDuke
Brandood
Almighty Tevin
DSProjecting
Heyarvy
ChillMurray7

.....and probably more. There is too much Indian crap for me to continue.

I am not sure who most of these people are, probably not detractors per se, but still - DSP stuff is still being restreamed/watched/clipped/analyzed.

That may be true. From what I gather there are a lot of "super casual detractors" who put on shit about DSP while they're working or whatever or as background noise. There may even be lots of people who watch these channels more closely than that.

But be that as it may, it still doesn't solve the problem of DSP himself having like 1-200 viewers currently and being dependent upon only 3-4 whales, some of who apparently only showed up from KC and aren't likely to stick around for long.

 

[Balr0g]

Well if we believe DSP he is so back and detractors are starved off content

Then again this is his Kick's clip page

 

[LilypaCastsUpper]

Any actual 20-legged spider

Reminds me of the Ungoliant from The Silmarillion, a beast so ravenous...

Spoiler

she eventually devoured herself

... Just like DSP's business!

she [kat] is living in the living room as Phil said "she finds the stairs difficult"

Really?! I musta missed that golddust.

I think the change is the number of view bots dropping or stopping altogether, based on the fact that chat is moving about the same speed it did with the old numbers.)

I was thinking this too. In years past his 400 average viewers was probably botted, spiking to 30k not as some specific troll - it was just the regular bots glitching. He is likely completely ignorant to this as one of his weirdo orbiters probably took it upon themselves. Of course I'm just speculating.

derish is gone

If Derich (and the morbid curiosity he garnered) was the secret corner-stone of DSP's sustainability that would be both sickening and hilarious.

Dspolitics is just the next gimmick he hopes will make him successful. Just like kogaming1, reacting, interviewing, drama...

Is he going to keep all the kid stuff on the hors d'oeuvre dollies with the cloth napkins draped over them in the background for the politics show? Will he pause for a $2 superchat from @MyBoogersSmellLikeNippleShits when discussing the war conflicts in west Asia or homelessness in USA. Meanwhile Jaybe will be asking for a Sub-Zero spine rip fatality in his literal short-hand shorthand.

 

[neger psykolog]

If Derich (and the morbid curiosity he garnered) was the secret corner-stone of DSP's sustainability that would be both sickening and hilarious.

I don't really think he was the cornerstone but a lot of DSP's semi-unironic fans said they really just liked his streams just to hang out in chat and Derish was kind of a big part of that. I don't think any of them really cared too much about the pervy stuff, Derish is just some weird kid at the end of the day, but I'm sure that him being persistently there was a part of the social environment. I looked at DSP's chat recently and a lot of the "culture" seemed like it was gone.

 

[LilypaCastsUpper]

 

[Eekum Bokum]

DSP is clearly dont care about politics and he is way too stupid to understand it even if he wanna... Dspolitics is just the next gimmick he hopes will make him successful. Just like kogaming1, reacting, interviewing, drama...

It's all ego with him. take Election night, he only piped up when it was clear Trump won and shat on the dems for losing. If he made a prediction beforehand and it didn't pan out he would look stupid and he can't have that as proven by the "no one will care about BG3 once Starfield is out" fiasco.

It's also why he isn't doing politics right away and instead waiting a few weeks, he needs to wait for all the arguments to be made so before he can feel comfortable with his "own" opinion.

 

[Cyber Bowling]

Since we're musing about past Phil and his whales, he definitely used to have more. Before the vest streak, there was usually a cycle of top whales that shifted through the rotation. I think it was a case of none of them had the income to actually sustain a streak like OIC did, so they didn't really stand out as much. Plus, there were a lot more 5 dollar tippers that sorta drowned out the bigger ones. But I think it basically went someone would support the stream for a small streak to try and get Phil's attention, then when they ran out of money, they'd start building a new warchest and some other sad, lonely whale would beach themselves and pick up the slack.

They weren't like, huge whales, but when combined with Phil actually having average viewers who chipped in here and there, it was enough to make Phil pretty profitable. He ended up chasing them all away and that's when he really became reliant on his shrinking whale pod, who really had to dig deep because they were not only replacing the other big supporters, but also making up for all the smaller ones Phil chased away as well.

Phil was fine in the past because his pigroach let him net new whales when the others died out. He'd been stagnant for awhile, from pretty much the middle of the vest streak until the KC arc, Phil was reliant on 3 or 4 people. Kick/KC crew was a temporary lifeline, but he not only failed to sustain it, but he also hurt his tiny little pod of dolphins.

All that being said, I don't think he's on the verge of death, but keep in mind, his income is a little more...open, for lack of a better term. Now that he's combined everything into one instead of just tips, it's apparent that he's not making as much as before, because it used to be $150+ all the gifted subs and what not that had to previously be manually tracked by dedicated number crunchers. So he might still be reliably hitting his goal, but only because he added a bunch of other sources to make up for the fact he was struggling so much. He still has his YouTube payments to help him stay propped up, but that can only do so much when you consider Phil's poor impulse control and spending addictions.

If it was anyone else, I'd say he only has like, a few more months left before it gets really dire, but there's the pigroach wildcard element that makes it hard to predict. Phil has been on the ropes before but ended up getting saved by something nobody could have predicted. KC crew was the latest, I know we've sort of normalized to it now, but it really did come out of nowhere initially and gave Phil a temporary lifeline. Something completely unexpected that would only happen to someone with Phil's cursed luck stat could swoop in at the 11th hour and keep him on life support. He'll somehow pull a Mr. Sparkle and go famous in Japan because of some meme and get a surge of viewers coming in who can't understand a word he says, but keeps throwing handfuls of yen at him to watch him sway and t-pose or something. Elon Musk will accidentally retweet him. Some Vtuber will retire and jokingly tell their audience to go support Phil now, but they'll take it completely seriously because they have no understanding of social nuance. Khet will get stuck in the doorway and the fat acceptance movement will start championing Phil because they think him and his family are being persecuted by Seattle's unreasonable doorframe requirements. Phil will jokingly start an OnlyFans and somehow become their number one model.

But if that random stroke of luck doesn't happen soon...we might get back to the black shirt days of begging. And even if it does end up happening, we can still enjoy the ride while Phil's numbers plummet.

 

[Free Jasper]

I don’t think it’s the end but I do think he’s in a worse spot than this time last year. He’s too reliant on too few people and every other metric is through the floor.

It’s the long term decline we’ve been seeing for a few years now. KC wasn’t enough to turn around the oil tanker.