Greta Gustava Martela / Kjel Anderson & Nina Chaubal / Niraj Chaubal - Stole $350k+ from Trans Lifeline, kill count of 2+ from negligence, Founders of Sisterwood/La Zorra.

[MirnaMinkoff]

I'm just trying to figure out how Bond is set Tuesday is derived from the post "Bond is set will have the money Tuesday". Damn the autism here..lol

Actually she said "we will be able to pay it on Tuesday." It's an odd way to phrase it. She's used the word "set" and not "granted" I know it seems insignificant but it's not. Bonds are pretty standard amounts and saying one will be a set amount isn't a big deal, but it being granted is another matter. Greta is obviously stupid about this shit so I can't say if the set/granted thing is her just not knowing the lingo or not. But I'd be surprised if they didn't have the money on hand (Usually $1,500 cash) that she wouldn't just say that and make it an opportunity to fundraise more.

I would expect a "We need $1,500 to free Nina from ICE detention TODAY." Seriously, they are instead going to patiently wait three more days for money to arrive? Where is this money coming from and why does it take that long? Maybe there is some wishful thinking or misunderstanding of the actual specifics. Either way something doesn't quite add up.

I'd have to start writing a novel to explain this but a bond hearing will always be on the same day of a master calendar hearing - I think that's what the hold up is - it's not a matter of just waiting for the money to arrive. She needs her master calendar hearing, her status must be reviewed by a judge and her next court appearance must be scheduled before they allow her to bond out. The master calendar hearing might be what the hold up is, but they don't have a bail hearing w/o following it with a master calendar hearing, it's a package deal.

I'd be shocked and amazed if she's already been before a IJ on a holiday weekend, but anything is possible I guess. (And if she is bonded out her next court appearance will be probably be a year from now, no joke, that's how overburdened the system is.)

As I said, there are missing pieces of information here that make this hard to predict. If Nina actually has a I-130 pending then she might be on her way to a greencard, but even if that's the case her working these past two years is a big fucking no-no and a sure fire way to get your application denied.

I've got shit going on for NYE at the moment but will try to explain more later.

But I can't stress how critical the proof that she has been working illegally is in this matter, it was her biggest mistake and one that can spell her doom if ICE/NCIS finds out regardless of her being married to a citizen.

Here's some standard text info that clarifies some issues about a bond hearing.

Although the bond hearing is separate from the Master Calendar Hearing, it usually takes place on the same day, but just before your first Master Calendar Hearing.

Since you will be in custody, you will be transported to your bond hearing by immigration officials. If you are detained at a facility that has an immigration court onsite, you will be physically present in the courtroom for your hearing. If you are at a facility that does not have an immigration court onsite, you will appear through a video link that goes to the courtroom or you will be transported by bus to the immigration court.

When you are led into the courtroom you will not be in handcuffs or shackles, but you will be wearing federally issued clothes and shoes and be monitored by security guards. The security guards will tell you where to sit to wait your turn for a hearing and you will not be permitted to speak or interact with any family members who may have come to your hearing. The only person you will be able to speak with prior to the hearing is your attorney.

To start your bond hearing, the IJ will review your immigration status in the U.S. and make sure you are eligible for a bond. Then, the IJ will decide whether to grant you the bond. This decision is ultimately up to the IJ’s discretion – in other words, even if there is nothing legally preventing the IJ from giving you a bond, he or she may still deny you a bond if he or she does not want to give you one based on the IJ’s perception of your character or past behavior.

To make this discretionary decision, the IJ will weigh any evidence in the record to determine whether you are a flight risk or a danger to the safety and security of the United States. Factors the IJ will consider to determine whether you are a flight risk include your family ties in the U.S., whether you own or rent a home or apartment, whether you are employed, and whether you qualify for any forms of relief from removal (such as asylum or a marriage-based green card).

To help the IJ determine that you are not a flight risk, you can invite your close family members to attend your bond hearing if they are U.S. citizens or lawful permanent residents (LPRs). You should also provide the IJ with copies of birth certificates for any U.S.-born children, a marriage certificate to your spouse if he or she is in the U.S. legally, a letter from your employer and/or pay stubs to show employment, and letters from family and friends showing you have ties to the community and the United States.

During the bond hearing, the IJ will ask you (or your attorney) questions about your family ties, employment, or past criminal history. If you are not represented by an attorney, you would respond to the IJ’s questions directly. Family members who attend your bond hearing will likely not be asked to testify, but you can point them out to the IJ when responding to questions about your family and their presence in the courtroom will provide concrete proof that you do have family in the U.S. who support you and care for you.

To determine whether you are a danger to the U.S., the IJ will look to your past criminal history. Any arrests, including Driving Under the Influence (DUI), will be considered. If you do have any past criminal history, it’s a good idea to provide letters from friends and family that talk about your good moral character and how you have changed for the better since any past criminal behavior, or provide proof of participation and/or completion of rehabilitation programs (anger management, substance abuse

 

[BlueArmedDevil]

I hope the source of that money is legal and they aren't just stealing it from their sham charity.

When they post bond does it have to come from secured funds or?

 

[Jaded Optimist]

I might be wrong but didn't Greta say it was a traffic stop on one (and only one facebook post)? I stand by my idea that Greta and the troon crew were doing something illegal, probably smoking pot at their picnic, and the po-po rolled up. They would check everyone's i.ds and see Nina is a illegal and bring her in. Greta also said that they were all being detained originally, and while the cops were calling it in Greta would have enough time (while she still had her cell) to post about the drama on facebook.

 

[Goofy Logic]

It's amusing that they are talking about bail like Nino was thrown in jail for a traffic violation. Such optimism!

 

[AngeloTheWizard]

I have little to add, aside from how this scene at the end of Batman: Arkham Asylum sums up what Manapan has been up to:

Aside from that, I'm amazed Nina has been allowed Bond at all. She has "flight risk" written all over her, but I know very little of the law. So can anyone smarter then me tell me WHY Nina's being allowed bond, and how stupid I am?

 

[Cynical]

Aside from that, I'm amazed Nina has been allowed Bond at all. She has "flight risk" written all over her, but I know very little of the law. So can anyone smarter then me tell me WHY Nina's being allowed bond, and how stupid I am?

All that's likely happening is hearing for bonding, but anyone with half a skull will see that's a bad idea, and thanks to the troon squad trying to shit all over them via social media and crashing their phone lines and all the easily accessible information about brazen defiance of immigration law and various sources of cash, substantial ones at that, and I can see that hearing ending in a "hell no" or an insane bond figure.

 

[AnOminous]

Here's some standard text info that clarifies some issues about a bond hearing.

I think Greta is just assuming a bond will be granted rather than actually knowing it.

 

[oasys]

Cross posting from the dump thread to say I found out "Elena Ramirez" is the name of Kjel's wife #2. Do with that what you will.

Edit: Apparently she's probably not the kid's mom, and the kid is probably not disabled, but she was still his wife so there's definitely something or other there.

 

[Poor Choices]

Calling it now. @Null's gonna get another visit from Greta when Nina gets shipped off.

Wherein bringing a knife to a gunfight will get a real life example.

 

[AngeloTheWizard]

All that's likely happening is hearing for bonding, but anyone with half a skull will see that's a bad idea, and thanks to the troon squad trying to shit all over them via social media and crashing their phone lines and all the easily accessible information about brazen defiance of immigration law and various sources of cash, substantial ones at that, and I can see that hearing ending in a "hell no" or an insane bond figure.

Oh, so THAT'S why the bond will be on Tuesday. It makes a lot more sense when people start filling in the blanks Shrek leaves wide open.

Additionally, my own tiny bit of research into this tells me there are two kinds of Immigrant Bonds, one is the same as your usual bond (i.e. a promise of showing up to all your hearings). The second? Voluntary Departure. It gives you a set amount of time to leave the country at your own expense, and once you're out, you can be refunded by ICE. I assume the purpose is to allow you to set your affairs in order and leave on your own terms, because the money is forfeit if you don't leave in the specified time.

I wonder what the hearing will lean towards...

EDIT: More research indicates bond amounts are anywhere from $1500 to $10,000 or more, and departure bonds are at least $500. Let's keep that in mind.

 

[fam]

I don't think there's anything particularly suspicious about the route they chose, since Google Maps suggests it without warning.

As for why they chose this route over the other slightly-shorter one, this post by @Pancake seems like a likely explanation. They're still exceptional for doing so, though.

 

[Ol' Slag]

Yes, something is up. They might think proving she's not a flight risk is no biggie and going before a judge is a formality that's nothing to worry about. If she actually had bail set and GRANTED she'd be walking out of there today.

I also learned that you can actually be bailed out before a CF interview, it's quite rare but it is possible. The massive overcrowding in these centers works in Nina's favor. My friend told me something interesting that I don't want to make public, but lets just say if she's bailed out it might be a case of ICE giving her rope to hang herself. Given the evidence TLL has provided about Nina ICE actually has everything they could need to deport her. (Problem is your average ICE official isn't keeping up with this shit like we are, and them discovering all the public admissions of working the past two years could take them awhile to uncover - they have HUGE case loads.)

Sounds like you are saying it would be just a damn shame if a few kiwis helped them find this information.

 

[repentance]

All I know is I texted a friend who went through this process. I asked why in the world someone would have "bond" but not be getting out for several more days...immediate answer was "cause there's a hearing scheduled." I'll try to dig for more details but the lack of info on what the real status of Nina's I-130 app is the key to the mystery.

There is one scenario where this makes sense - if they're contesting the amount of bond set, then a hearing is required in order to have it lowered.

That said, Greta has said optimistic stuff before which hasn't been accurate. It's a complicated process and she's had a lot of inaccurate input from her groupies.

We don't really have any reason to assume their marriage is invalid. The major reason we believed that the green card application hadn't even been started was because of what Greta said in the fundraiser for the vaccinations.

That clearly implies that the application had not even been submitted, not that it was already in progress. That said, Greta lies a lot so not everything she says can be taken at face value.

 

[multiverse]

Not sure if this was already posted, but another one of Greta and Nina's friends tried to point out that Greta was fucking up Nina's case by giving so many conflicting stories in public, and all of the "journalists" who've covered this story so far haven't fact checked a thing. However, Greta didn't jump down this one's throat (unlike the person who simply asked why they'd taken that route back to Chicago, and got called a Kiwi and blocked.)

 

[BIG DADDY]

Maybe it would be worth making this thread semi-private like the el primero one? If there's relevant content that can't be shared publicly I'd like to see it. @Smutley ?

I feel like we need to keep this open and accessible to the public just so the facts are known, since Greta is trying her hardest to spin the narrative as this happening because Nina was brown and/or trans. One of the many reasons it's actually a very, very good thing Nina is being held with women right now - if something were to happen, it would really be her only claim that actually warrants sympathy in this whole shitshow, and then Greta would actually be able to claim being trans had any effect in this series of events at all (beyond the passport discrepancy, which was clearly not the actual reason they're in hot water). I know there's another thread now though, but I honestly don't think there's any advice any of us could give that Greta could read at this point and use to affect the outcome either way now. Nina is either boned completely or will have gotten extremely lucky.

Also I'd hope Greta has better things to do right now than hateread Kiwifarms, but maybe not.

 

[repentance]

When they post bond does it have to come from secured funds or?

From the info I found yesterday, it has to be paid by someone else and they have to pay the entire amount upfront.

Not sure if this was already posted, but another one of Greta and Nina's friends tried to point out that Greta was fucking up Nina's case by giving so many conflicting stories in public, and all of the "journalists" who've covered this story so far haven't fact checked a thing. However, Greta didn't jump down this one's throat (unlike the person who simply asked why they'd taken that route back to Chicago, and got called a Kiwi and blocked.)
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For those who don't recall, Evelyn Rios is the incredibly well connected former journalist who expressed displeasure about the way Greta treated Lizzie. Her credentials are impeccable and she's extremely influential in the circles which hold expensive fund-raising events for queer organisations.

Greta knows that she cannot be hostile towards Evelyn without putting grants from organisations like the Horizons Foundation at risk.

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

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That clearly implies that the application had not even been submitted, not that it was already in progress. That said, Greta lies a lot so not everything she says can be taken at face value.

Wow, good catch. See, this is what's so bizarre, wasn't that post from earlier this year? I mean if they didn't have a application in more than a year after her visa expired/marriage then I don't know what the fuck. There are time limits on that shit and that is way outside of them.

They might have first put in a I-485 (status adjustment) and then gone for the I-130 which is basically application for greencard d/t marriage to a citizen. (Forgive me if I get my document numbers fucked up it's a goddamn nightmare to keep them straight). You must do a I-485 to "adjust status" when my husband I did this we did the I-485 and I-130 at the same time - most people do. The I-485 allows you to stay in the country to get your greencard instead of having to leave and return.

But it still doesn't make sense. It basically shows Nina is/was illegal because they didn't do the paperwork properly or submit it in a timely fashion. You can easily see from what I've written how complex it is to navigate this system and missing any deadlines or filling out an application incorrectly causes massive problems. Given their lifestyle, total lack of responsible behavior and thinking rules don't apply to snowflakes like themselves it's easy to see how they would totally fuck this up and end up with Nina in the clinker.

 

[Pancake]

I don't think there's anything particularly suspicious about the route they chose, since Google Maps suggests it without warning.
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As for why they chose this route over the other slightly-shorter one, this post by @Pancake seems like a likely explanation. They're still exceptional for doing so, though.
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Yup. We drove in the summer, and took that exact route on the top, though our origin point wasn't Chicago, but close enough.

But that seems like the best case I can think of. Even in the middle of June when we went, the Rockies had bits of snow on them still. Without the proper winter equipment it would be impossible to drive that way.

There is still a check point on the I-15 that checks for the fruit and all that crap that I already knew about.

They really should have checked the highways for checkpoints before mapping the route. Especially since it looks like they pulled the routes from Google maps like we did and the border checks are highlighted.

They're just idiots.

 

[Fareal]

There is one scenario where this makes sense - if they're contesting the amount of bond set, then a hearing is required in order to have it lowered.

That said, Greta has said optimistic stuff before which hasn't been accurate. It's a complicated process and she's had a lot of inaccurate input from her groupies.

We don't really have any reason to assume their marriage is invalid. The major reason we believed that the green card application hadn't even been started was because of what Greta said in the fundraiser for the vaccinations.

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That clearly implies that the application had not even been submitted, not that it was already in progress. That said, Greta lies a lot so not everything she says can be taken at face value.

Wait, didn't one of the asspat articles linked a few pages back have some BS in it about "the marriage is not legally ratified" or some other pish? I think that's what we found suspect.

 

[m0rnutz]

Cross posting from the dump thread to say I found out "Elena Ramirez" is the name of Kjel's wife #2 aka abandoned mother of disabled potato son to whom he still owes money. Do with that what you will.

Snooped a bit, and KG might be Kjel's son, whereas Elena probably had another child under her maiden name, with or without the ogre sperm.

Both boys are druggies, one posting a cigar box with a collection of shit. In KG's case, he's done his best to be "hood" and say he's in a gang. Those potato looks are from him being stoned and trying to act hard for the camera.

There are pictures from Kjel that show him and KG at conventions or trips, and I imagine the divorce and abandonment didn't go well on KG's end.(Now dad is "mom" and seems to have completely forgotten he even exists)

Sounds like you are saying it would be just a damn shame if a few kiwis helped them find this information.

It would suck if he had been shirking on child support and a certain ex-spouse were to come clean.