Pompeii victims aren't who we thought they were, DNA analysis reveals - Study Included.

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An ancient-DNA analysis of victims in Pompeii who died in Mount Vesuvius' eruption reveals some unusual relations between the people who died together.

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A photo of the body casts of two adults and two children who died in what's now called the house of the golden bracelet in Pompeii. A new DNA analysis shows that these four people are not genetically related to one another.

Ancient DNA taken from the Pompeii victims of Mount Vesuvius' eruption nearly 2,000 years ago reveals that some people's relationships were not what they seemed, according to a new study.

For instance, an adult who was wearing a golden bracelet and holding a child on their lap was long thought to be a mother with her child. But the new DNA analysis revealed that, in reality, the duo were "an unrelated adult male and child," study co-author David Reich, a professor of genetics at Harvard Medical School, said in a statement.

In another example, a couple who died in an embrace and were "thought to be sisters, or mother and daughter, were found to include at least one genetic male," Reich said. "These findings challenge traditional gender and familial assumptions."

In the study, published Thursday (Nov. 7) in the journal Current Biology, Reich and an international team of researchers looked at the genetics of five individuals who died during the A.D. 79 eruption that killed around 2,000 people.

When Mount Vesuvius erupted, it covered the surrounding area in a deadly layer of volcanic ash, pumice and pyroclastic flow, burying people alive and preserving the shapes of many bodies beneath the calcified layers of ash. The remains of the city were rediscovered only in the 1700s. In the following century, archaeologist Giuseppe Fiorelli perfected his plaster technique, in which he filled in the human-shaped holes left after the bodies had decomposed to create casts of the victims.

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The casts of two people who died about 2,000 years ago in the house of the cryptoporticus in Pompeii. A new DNA analysis found that one individual was biologically male, but the sex of the other could not be determined.

The casts allowed scholars to study the victims in their last moments and make hypotheses about their identities based on details such as their locations, positions and apparel. The problem with this approach, however, was that their interpretations were influenced by modern-day assumptions — for instance, that the four people at the house with the golden bracelet, which included the adult holding the child, were two parents with their children, when in reality none of them were genetically related, the researchers wrote in the study.

For their research, the team analyzed 14 casts and extracted DNA from fragmented skeletal remains in five of them. By analyzing this genetic material, the scientists determined the individuals' genetic relationships, sex and ancestry. The team concluded that the victims had a "diverse genomic background," primarily descending from recent eastern Mediterranean immigrants, per the statement, confirming the Roman Empire's multiethnic reality.

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The cast of a person who died in the villa of the mysteries in Pompeii in A.D. 79.

"Our findings have significant implications for the interpretation of archaeological data and the understanding of ancient societies," study co-author Alissa Mittnik, an archaeogeneticist at Harvard Medical School and the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology in Germany, said in the statement. "They highlight the importance of integrating genetic data with archaeological and historical information to avoid misinterpretations based on modern assumptions."

It's possible that past misconceptions led to the "exploitation of the casts as vehicles for storytelling," meaning that curators may have manipulated the victims' "poses and relative positioning" for exhibits, the team wrote in the study.

Sex misassignment is "not uncommon" in archaeology, Carles Lalueza-Fox, a biologist at the Institute of Evolutionary Biology (CSIC-UPF) in Barcelona who specializes in the study of ancient DNA but was not involved with the study, told Live Science in an email.

"Of course we look at the past with the cultural eyes of the present and this view is sometimes distorted; for me the discovery of a man with a golden bracelet trying to save an unrelated child is more interesting and culturally complex than assuming it was a mother and her child," Lalueza-Fox said.
 

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Are they really trying to extrapolate Roman norms from how people behaved in a complete, total, unescapable catastrophe that they probably thought was Vulcan smiting them all for some random, unknowable reason?
that the four people at the house with the golden bracelet, which included the adult holding the child, were two parents with their children, when in reality none of them were genetically related
So... a married couple, an adopted child, and a friend that was visiting?

You know this whole thing seems like a major stretch when we know how the Romans acted and behaved from all the writing they did. Was the graffiti not enough of a clue what Roman gender norms were with that man telling his best friend to go eat his girl out someplace actually private?
 
If the people of Pompeii died within 15 minutes from asphyxiation as proposed by one study perhaps these unusual groupings of people could be the result of a mass panic where those in the city ran wherever they thought could be safe but ultimately died where they stood, sat or laid.
Very likely. Even at Misenum where Pliny (the younger) was watching it unfold from across the Bay of Naples, the tremors were violent enough to have the population fleeing en masse, coupled with the debris from the eruption begining to fall, lead to scenes like something from the Fall of Kabul where people got separated, some trampled over.
 
I was not able to evacuate in time as the mountain near where I lived began to smoke and quake.
As the ash rains down on me I grab the person nearest to me. Both for comfort and to shield ourselves from the immense heat and debris.
Nearly 2000 years later, people find my final resting place. They assume me and the random guy I held on to were a loving couple.
50 years later, they determine both of us were guys. Reddit calls me gay.
 
Wow I have rarely seen such blatant attempt as this to twist a historical event toward someone's personal agenda.

"These findings challenge traditional gender and familial assumptions."

No they don't. That is one of the wildest grasp at straws I think I have seen in a peer-reviewed historical paper in awhile. like @Breadbassket said the most logical conclusion is severe panic with death occuring whilst attempting to hunker down and shelter. They probably didn't have hardly any time to run and hide from the oncoming devastation. I really don't like politically motivated scientists they are always ready to make some wild statement like this to attach their weird beliefs to history.
 
It's possible that past misconceptions led to the "exploitation of the casts as vehicles for storytelling," meaning that curators may have manipulated the victims' "poses and relative positioning" for exhibits, the team wrote in the study.
I always just assumed it was a given that generally archaeologists are taking some creative liberties when they start describing specific details about the way things probably were based on some corpses and shit.
 
"They highlight the importance of integrating genetic data with archaeological and historical information to avoid misinterpretations based on modern assumptions."
The irony of saying that past interpretations may be wrong because of modern assumptions, to then make their own new modern assumptions. Without intimate knowledge of their culture as it was at the time its all guesswork, and it should be okay to admit that instead of declaring your own interpretations as the most accurate. Or in other words the Elagabalus problem.
 
for me the discovery of a man with a golden bracelet trying to save an unrelated child is more interesting and culturally complex than assuming it was a mother and her child," Lalueza-Fox said.
How? WHAT IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE?
Every normal Human would try to help a Child in this situation.
this only destroys social sciences with their idea or basic behavior being a construct.

The team concluded that the victims had a "diverse genomic background," primarily descending from recent eastern Mediterranean immigrants, per the statement, confirming the Roman Empire's multiethnic reality.
the Issue is that the genetic markers for eastern med are fucked.
those could have been greeks or carthagenians because of how fucked our data is.
 
For instance, an adult who was wearing a golden bracelet and holding a child on their lap was long thought to be a mother with her child. But the new DNA analysis revealed that, in reality, the duo were "an unrelated adult male and child,"

Obviously this was a drag queen reading stories to children. Drag queen story hour has always existed.
 
Are they really trying to extrapolate Roman norms from how people behaved in a complete, total, unescapable catastrophe that they probably thought was Vulcan smiting them all for some random, unknowable reason?
You don't understand that the point of Le Hecking Modern Soyence is to confirm preconceived political notions rather then anything remotely useful. Case in point, if they found two dudes clutching each other in Pompeii the immediate claim would be that they were lovers and fucking each other, rather then say good friends who were trying to escape and realizing there was none gave one last manly hug to their bro before oblivion.

The idea that maybe its a bad idea to try and extrapolate normal social behaviors from the remains of people preserved in Ash and Mud as they lived out their last 20 minutes during an apocalyptic calamity will not occur to these cretins.
 
"diverse genomic background," primarily descending from recent eastern Mediterranean immigrants, per the statement, confirming the Roman Empire's multiethnic reality.
"multiethnic reality" by these people's definition is warped to "OHTHEY WERE ALL DIFFERENT RACES GUYS!" but they use people that moved in from the eastern part of europe as their example. Very funny!

In another example, a couple who died in an embrace and were "thought to be sisters, or mother and daughter, were found to include at least one genetic male," Reich said. "These findings challenge traditional gender and familial assumptions."
HOW THE FUCK DOES THIS RELATE TO "GENDER NORMS" WHEN YOU JUST REALIZED PEOPLE MISTOOK THE SEX OF THE PLASTERED ASH MUMMY?
"Of course we look at the past with the cultural eyes of the present and this view is sometimes distorted; for me the discovery of a man with a golden bracelet trying to save an unrelated child is more interesting and culturally complex than assuming it was a mother and her child," Lalueza-Fox said.
OH OK so omeone having a golden armband on =woman gender norms to these people? Last I checked romans wore that shit all the time, didn't they?
 
"multiethnic reality" by these people's definition is warped to "OHTHEY WERE ALL DIFFERENT RACES GUYS!" but they use people that moved in from the eastern part of europe as their example. Very funny!
Pompeii was also at the heart of a continent spanning empire when Vesuvius went off. Of course there would be multiple ethnicities there. I would argue calling them "immigrants" would be a stretch though. Slaves more likely.
 
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