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An ancient-DNA analysis of victims in Pompeii who died in Mount Vesuvius' eruption reveals some unusual relations between the people who died together.

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A photo of the body casts of two adults and two children who died in what's now called the house of the golden bracelet in Pompeii. A new DNA analysis shows that these four people are not genetically related to one another.

Ancient DNA taken from the Pompeii victims of Mount Vesuvius' eruption nearly 2,000 years ago reveals that some people's relationships were not what they seemed, according to a new study.

For instance, an adult who was wearing a golden bracelet and holding a child on their lap was long thought to be a mother with her child. But the new DNA analysis revealed that, in reality, the duo were "an unrelated adult male and child," study co-author David Reich, a professor of genetics at Harvard Medical School, said in a statement.

In another example, a couple who died in an embrace and were "thought to be sisters, or mother and daughter, were found to include at least one genetic male," Reich said. "These findings challenge traditional gender and familial assumptions."

In the study, published Thursday (Nov. 7) in the journal Current Biology, Reich and an international team of researchers looked at the genetics of five individuals who died during the A.D. 79 eruption that killed around 2,000 people.

When Mount Vesuvius erupted, it covered the surrounding area in a deadly layer of volcanic ash, pumice and pyroclastic flow, burying people alive and preserving the shapes of many bodies beneath the calcified layers of ash. The remains of the city were rediscovered only in the 1700s. In the following century, archaeologist Giuseppe Fiorelli perfected his plaster technique, in which he filled in the human-shaped holes left after the bodies had decomposed to create casts of the victims.

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The casts of two people who died about 2,000 years ago in the house of the cryptoporticus in Pompeii. A new DNA analysis found that one individual was biologically male, but the sex of the other could not be determined.

The casts allowed scholars to study the victims in their last moments and make hypotheses about their identities based on details such as their locations, positions and apparel. The problem with this approach, however, was that their interpretations were influenced by modern-day assumptions — for instance, that the four people at the house with the golden bracelet, which included the adult holding the child, were two parents with their children, when in reality none of them were genetically related, the researchers wrote in the study.

For their research, the team analyzed 14 casts and extracted DNA from fragmented skeletal remains in five of them. By analyzing this genetic material, the scientists determined the individuals' genetic relationships, sex and ancestry. The team concluded that the victims had a "diverse genomic background," primarily descending from recent eastern Mediterranean immigrants, per the statement, confirming the Roman Empire's multiethnic reality.

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The cast of a person who died in the villa of the mysteries in Pompeii in A.D. 79.

"Our findings have significant implications for the interpretation of archaeological data and the understanding of ancient societies," study co-author Alissa Mittnik, an archaeogeneticist at Harvard Medical School and the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology in Germany, said in the statement. "They highlight the importance of integrating genetic data with archaeological and historical information to avoid misinterpretations based on modern assumptions."

It's possible that past misconceptions led to the "exploitation of the casts as vehicles for storytelling," meaning that curators may have manipulated the victims' "poses and relative positioning" for exhibits, the team wrote in the study.

Sex misassignment is "not uncommon" in archaeology, Carles Lalueza-Fox, a biologist at the Institute of Evolutionary Biology (CSIC-UPF) in Barcelona who specializes in the study of ancient DNA but was not involved with the study, told Live Science in an email.

"Of course we look at the past with the cultural eyes of the present and this view is sometimes distorted; for me the discovery of a man with a golden bracelet trying to save an unrelated child is more interesting and culturally complex than assuming it was a mother and her child," Lalueza-Fox said.
 

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Okay, so, let's assume two things:

1. Most humans, if not psychopathic and/or sexually deviant, or not actively involved in a war or cleansing situation, have an instinctual reaction to a distressed mini human. It's usually more pronounced in women, but men have it too. Many people can suppress this instinct due to social conformity, but if society has broken down- if, say a nearby volcano starts to sing- there's nothing to stop your simian brain commanding your simian arms to clutch that simian baby.

2. As social apes, humans are programmed to find comfort and solace in each other. You ever watched someone get wasted and then become embarrassingly maudlin and sentimental? "I love ya mate, you're me best mate, never change mate..." Know something other than alcohol that strips away inhibitions? Horrifying life or death events, i.e a volcanic aria.

The people who died together could have been friends, they could have been enemies, they could have been complete strangers, or hey, maybe they were indeed buttsexing each other. We'll never know.

What we do know is that many people died an incomprehensibly painful and traumatic death, and using their final, anguished embraces as fuel for modern politics is inexcusably vile.

we look at the past with the cultural eyes of the present and this view is sometimes distorted
These findings challenge traditional gender and familial assumptions

Indeed.
 
As the ash rains down on me I grab the person nearest to me. Both for comfort and to shield ourselves from the immense heat and debris.
Nearly 2000 years later, people find my final resting place. They assume me and the random guy I held on to were a loving couple.
Ir was only a few years ago that they found the bodies of the victims in Herculaneum. They were all huddled together in boatsheds by the sea. The archaeologists responsible were smart enough not to say "Orgy".
How could they obtain the DNA from the casts when the skeletons are presumably still inside? Did they have to destroy the casts?
They have to repair some of them from time to time as they are falling apart (they're a couple of hundred years old themselves now). It may have been that they used iron rods to stiffen the casts which are now rusting and breaking up the plaster, but I can't remember the exact details.

edit - here's a short video of the restorers at work
 
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Possible they’d left the slaves behind to guard against looting. The implication in the articles is that the man with the child straddling him is molesting the child, it far more likely a frightened child slave was clinging to someone who was knocked over by debris, extreme heat also contorts bodies, by shortening tendons. We can never know, only that they must have had terrifying, painful deaths.
 
fuel for modern politics
Everything for modern leftoid politics, nothing outside leftoid politics and most importantly: nothing against it. When people talk about totalitarianism, they think of surveillance and arrests of the political enemy at 3 in the morning. I think of sinister bullshit like this.
 
The victims of Pompeii were black. The Roman empire was inhabited by black people.

Not just black, but a diverse collection of interracial gay couples, all of them. Plus, many of the women had penises and their diverse coalition of leaders invented space travel but the white man buried their achievements under the ash of Vesuvius.
 
Boy, I can't wait to accidentally fall off a cliff..... die... and have future political-affirming archaeologists dig up my skeleton. And, upon seeing the damage? Assume I was so despondent that my gay lover left me that I broke every bone in my body in a rage against the unjust society I lived in and yearned to be free from.

So stunning! So brave!
 
I don't think very many people were in their own houses or even with people they actually knew. We know both from accounts of the time and from the position and direction of bodies people realized shit was going down and were trying to flee, either to the harbor to get on boats or just blindly running away from the direction of the volcano. It was absolute chaos, people were separated, people were trampled, people got taken out by flying rocks left and right. The people in houses probably got as far as they could before they decided they had to take cover and just went into any building they could.
 
I don't think very many people were in their own houses or even with people they actually knew. We know both from accounts of the time and from the position and direction of bodies people realized shit was going down and were trying to flee, either to the harbor to get on boats or just blindly running away from the direction of the volcano. It was absolute chaos, people were separated, people were trampled, people got taken out by flying rocks left and right. The people in houses probably got as far as they could before they decided they had to take cover and just went into any building they could.
Strato Volcanoes don't play around when they decide to pop. I know them going off is vanishingly rare, but I would never want to live near one. Like all of Seattle incidentally....
 
When I saw the title I figured the researchers had discovered that Pompeii was actually an ancient Wakanda inhabited by African kangs until whiteys set off the volcano to wipe them out because they were jealous of the interdimensional pyramid spaceships the Pompeiians built using their melanin-amplified intelligence.
 
Wasn't there insult graffiti discovered that was like 'Patroclus (making up name) can luck my arse"

There's graffiti like that on just about every Roman Empire-era ruin, methinks. Hell, there's jokes, insults and other weirdness on their burial markers. I think it's fair to say working class Romans, at least, did not take themselves terribly seriously.

How many black trans women are they going to find?

Not just black, but a diverse collection of interracial gay couples, all of them. Plus, many of the women had penises and their diverse coalition of leaders invented space travel but the white man buried their achievements under the ash of Vesuvius.

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