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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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#VEGANsausageroll thanks Greggs

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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The hype got me like #Greggs #Veganuary


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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.

 

[Snekposter]

Yes minister should be shown in schools.

Yeah, its a great documentary on how politics is conducted. Awkwardly and frequently against the desires and opposition of the civil service.

Yes, he was also sperging about using thermobarics to stall tank engines despite the fact that he didn't even know what a turbocharger was. I miss that dumb retard.

I don't. Not only were his takes wrong they were wrong in completely nonsensical ways and I'm still low-level MATI at him for his complete idiocy regarding military logistics. Moron was so train-obsessed he thought they should have been used in the jungles of Vietnam over helicopters and amphibious trucks.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Farmers seem ready to kick off again. Clarkson is vocally supporting them and was due to join their protest, but the NFU kiboshed it (on behalf of labour, no doubt). Now a bunch are breaking off to protest in London anyway. Not sure when. Probably on the 19th, alongside the "official", highly restricted "protest".

 

[Bloom Worm Cross Field]

Farmers seem ready to kick off again

Good on Clarkson for saying what needs to be said - Jeremy Clarkson rages countryside is being 'ethnically cleansed' for 'new towns of immigrants' in furious tax rant [A]
Farmers have the biggest ties to our land out of anyone, by size and by lineage, so of course they're always going to be in the line of fire of the occupation uniparty.
Canada had the truckers and NL had farmers, it would be cool if we had our own version of "the guys who own huge fuck-off machines are very angry" protests.

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

Probably on the 19th, alongside the "official", highly restricted "protest".

NFU one's been cancelled "because of legal reasons" as per the article the person below you posted.

Clarkson's justifiably pointed out JSO or Free Palestine wouldn't have had the same issue.

 

[CaptainAutism69]

NFU one's been cancelled "because of legal reasons" as per the article the person below you posted.

Clarkson's justifiably pointed out JSO or Free Palestine wouldn't have had the same issue.

'Please sir can I have permission to protest?'

 

[SirCliveSinclairdabbing]

NFU one's been cancelled "because of legal reasons" as per the article the person below you posted.

Clarkson's justifiably pointed out JSO or Free Palestine wouldn't have had the same issue.

Well, that's because the farmers didn't sponsor labour via ecotricity.
Labour donors are allowed to break the law.

 

[Otterly]

Really glad to see clarkson throwing his weight behind this. commies always attack the food supply, it’s some kind of instinctual thing.

 

[Monopolywheel]

They just don’t learn do they?
We will have to keep repeating the lesson until they do

They will never learn because the lesson to be learned is that they all need to removed from power
Which they obviously cannot accept

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

Two-tier Kier's policies are harming the farmers? It begins!! Two-tier queer Kier farmer-harmer starmer.

Now we just need him to shut-down some llama farms to unlock his next level.

 

[Hazel Motes]

There's already a separate thread for this in A&N, but I'm posting the Spectator's article on the trump election here for anyone who hasn't seen it. The Spectator has been the magazine allied with the conservative party since its founding in 1828, and is the oldest surviving magazine in the world. The current editor is Michael Gove, Boris Johnson was an editor there too. Maybe it will make people realise how the conservative party actually thinks and that the aristocracy of this country literally is the elite. That's what both those words mean.

Fraser Nelson, the previous editor, was all for mass immigration and best represented the Cameron/Blairist evolution of the Tories. The comments on the site, which you can't read unless you are a subscriber, is full of Boomerisms about based trannies and how the 60s was the best era England ever had. The only right wingers left are writers like Taki, who has been writing for the magazine longer than the editors have been alive.

A reader finds more worthwhile reading in The New Statesman, a magazine explicitly left wing.

 

[Cloaca Rimjob]

did all the veterans turn their backs on Starmer today? don't think the news will cover it

 

[Overly Serious]

Yes minister should be shown in schools.

I adored the show and its high comedy. But the modern and updated version is The Thick of It. Not half so genteel but probably more true to modern day environment.

We should treat them as the adults they are, and tell them, man to man, that their concerns cannot be met

I would be sympathetic to this argument - both the UK and the USA are facing some dire financial challenges that can't just be promised away. Except when the same people telling us this are throwing billions at Kiev or putting up foreign fighters in British hotels as "refugees", the argument loses much of its power. You can tell me there's no money, but can't tell me there's no money when I can see you handing it out in great big fistfuls.

British populists wanted to leave the EU, and they did: the leaders complied — and much good it did anyone

Eh... we kind of left. But then subsequent govt. doing its best to backtrack in every possible way.

They just don’t learn do they?
We will have to keep repeating the lesson until they do

And after too, please...?

Douglas Murray will be fuming. I’ve notice a lot of Conservative papers going weird. The Times has went full le edgy centrist and the Mail will run the occasional pro- boat monkey or troon piece.

The Telegraph seems to be holding the line tough.

A lot of these organs (heh, organs), serve the role of being paid opposition. If there's uncertainty and inconsistency, it might be because their bluff has been called. Like when the guy who talks tough suddenly finds himself thrust forward to fight.

The Spectator does have something of a distinguished history. It's quite good fun to tell Guardian readers that the Spectator was leading a campaign against slavery in the Americas whilst the Guardian was publishing essays on how important slavery was and why it was to the benefit of African people.

But though they do give pretty good coverage a lot of the time, they're not immune to bias. Funniest is probably how their lead reporter on Ukraine is a pro-Zelensky Ukranian who fled over here. Yes - much unbiased, very neutrals.

Not necessarily. There is some polarisation, but not nearly to this extent, in Britain because both sides I feel have kind of resigned themselves to the idea that both parties are the fucking same.

That's incidentally the same kind of feeling you get with a Bush v Gore or Clinton v Dole.

The Brits have a high level of cynicism. In one sense that mitigates the kind of extremist loyalty to political figureheads you see in the States. But at the same time it can dampen the sense of betrayal and rage when said figureheads stab them in the back.

The biggest difference is how the State manages the people though. We can certainly point to differences in character between Brits and Americans, but the Establishment in the UK is largely homogeneous. Much of the power is concentrated in the bureaucracy which does not change with the vagaries of party politics. In the words of Kwasi Kwarteng, a British Prime Minister is more like a senior manager than a director or ruler. There's certainly power struggles and factions but none of them really need to awaken their golems as proxies. In contrast, the USA elites really are at each other's throats. Not so much in the old days but now? There's blood in the water and the golems growl and prowl at the ready. How this manifests as a difference amongst public behaviour is that the British Establishment is outrageously efficient at identifying and disgracing any kernel of resistance people begin to gather around. They're well practiced at this and united in doing so. In the USA, kernels of resistance are nurtured as weapons by their respective factions and allowed to persist because they are pointed at the rival faction. Trump got a big boost to get where he did in 2016 because H. Clinton was actively getting her press puppets to push him, thinking he'd be an easy opponent.

Anti-establishment in the UK has no establishment sponsors (usually) because the British establishment doesn't use such proxies to attack each other. In the USA, it's quite common.

 

[Tragon Dirtle]

Eh... we kind of left. But then subsequent govt. doing its best to backtrack in every possible way.

a British Prime Minister is more like a senior manager than a director or ruler.

Of course he is, we have a literal ruler. And some anti-establishment sentiment does get support - Clarkson is making noise to support the farmers right now, when he has been friends with Queen Camilla for years. The idea that the establishment doesn't back anti-establishment sentiment as needed is total fantasy that we're better than the US somehow. We're probably worse.

https://www.thelist.com/1300710/friends-queen-camilla-inner-circle/

Also, the subsequent government started at the beginning of July. Any failure to implement brexit happened in the 8 years post-brexit under the tories, and they didn't implement it because they didn't want to.

 

[Overly Serious]

Any failure to implement brexit happened in the 8 years post-brexit under the tories, and they didn't implement it because they didn't want to.

Why on Earth do you think this is disagreeing with me?

 

[Tragon Dirtle]

Why on Earth do you think this is disagreeing with me?

because to backtrack on something you would have had to forward track on it in the first place. We lost all the good parts of the deal we had as an EU founding member and only gained a bunch of non-eu immigrants. What are they backtracking on except the loss of the eu trading bloc which objectively made things worse for us?

 

[Overly Serious]

because to backtrack on something you would have had to forward track on it in the first place

I wrote backtrack as in promised something then backtracked on the promises.

 

[Tragon Dirtle]

I wrote backtrack as in promised something then backtracked on the promises.

That's true, but I think they were expecting to pivot from trading with the EU to trading with a Kamala Harris government in the US and the situation has changed with Trump being elected. There was some sort of thing where they were going to send staffers to assist the Kamala campaign but it was cancelled after backlash online. You can't have no EU trading relationship and no US trading relationship.

 

[Snekposter]

That's true, but I think they were expecting to pivot from trading with the EU to trading with a Kamala Harris government in the US and the situation has changed with Trump being elected. There was some sort of thing where they were going to send staffers to assist the Kamala campaign but it was cancelled after backlash online. You can't have no EU trading relationship and no US trading relationship.

The UK was always going to get bent over by someone in that regard, unfortunately. The USA will at least put some lube on and be gentle since the UK would act as a gateway to Europe for us in addition to those age-old historic ties that even I still value quite a lot despite my shittalking of you guys at times, but the Continent has never forgotten nor forgiven what you've done to their dreams of empire over the centuries.

 

[teriyakiburns]

the Continent has never forgotten nor forgiven what you've done to their dreams of empire over the centuries.

Oh now, be fair, that's just the French and the Germans. And the Spanish. And the Russians.

And the Portugese and the Dutch.

And the Italians...

Well, at least the Swiss never had anything bad to say about the British. I think.

 

[Snekposter]

Well, at least the Swiss never had anything bad to say about the British. I think.

Well, considering 2/3 of their country is populated by ethnicities famed for their cooking skills, and the German part isn't far behind with its chocolate-making talents...
They haven't had anything bad to say about the British yet.