Greta Gustava Martela / Kjel Anderson & Nina Chaubal / Niraj Chaubal - Stole $350k+ from Trans Lifeline, kill count of 2+ from negligence, Founders of Sisterwood/La Zorra.

[AnOminous]

The faithful will certainly do that but it will probably shake the confidence of others. This is the second time in a month Evelyn Rios has questioned the way they've gone about things. She can do so publicly because she's fairly immune from attack but I'll guarantee there are others who are privately feeling like they've been misled. It's mistake to assume that everyone who supports a fair deal for troons will also support blatant disregard for immigration laws.

It looks particularly bad when these two swindlers actually had a fundraiser specifically for the immigration shit they then just didn't do at all while gallivanting around the country on other people's money partying.

 

[Ponderous Pillock]

To be honest they could try running but we're keeping an eye on them. Not really an option especially as Greta or whatever troon they shack up with as they try and flee ICE will keep posting Facebook shit anyways.

We can just tip ICE off where they are. Always an option.

 

[nhocgreen]

Frankly reading through this thread I'm getting increasingly convinced that Greta purposefully worked to get Nina deported.

 

[TiggerNits]

Senators do not have authority over ICE.

And every senator and Congressman here ran very anti illegal immigration campaigns, so they're not playing that game for ol' Shrek-lovin' Pajeet

 

[An Ghost]

To be honest they could try running but we're keeping an eye on them. Not really an option especially as Greta or whatever troon they shack up with as they try and flee ICE will keep posting Facebook shit anyways.

We can just tip ICE off where they are. Always an option.

If by 'keeping an eye on' you mean 'following their Facebook updates.' We aren't the autistic illuminati, just very good at looking things up. ICE has more resources than us for this but I can guarantee they will fuck up and continue to post their exact location for a long time.

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

Another info dump on immigration:

I need to correct something from earlier. Since my experience was in NYC /JFK almost all the of the people were "arriving aliens" because everyone was getting off the plane after an international trip, so I was thinking of Nina in those terms. Being an arriving alien makes getting bail a lot harder because ICE technically isn't letting you enter the country again (even though you ass is in detention center in Newark) but Nina isn't an arriving alien because she didn't leave the country so it puts her in a better position and after I realized this Greta's statement about bail made a lot more sense.

Nina doesn't have any of the major issues (at least that I'm aware of) that would mean automatic ICE bail denial - like criminal history, past deportation, etc..

Therefore, ICE does set standard bail amounts for people who don't have any of the red flag issues that automatically mean no bail. So I do believe that's what Greta is referring too, ICE set a standard bail amount. Catch is ICE obviously didn't give a minimum $1500 bail to Nina but put it up much higher - it can go as high as $100,000. So I believe Tuesday is Nina's appearance before a IJ where they will ask for bail to be lowered and have her next master calendar hearing scheduled. They probably think lower bail is an automatic thing, it's not, but having a lawyer will help a great deal. I'm assuming they will later request that the case be moved close to their residence in Chicago. Funny thing is any plans about a move to sunny CA are kind of fucked now. ICE doesn't look kindly on an immigrant with a constantly changing addresses, esp between states and jurisdictions.

It's obvious Nina is going to pursue asylum, probably to bide time to try and get the marriage I-130 stuff in order if she can. They have fucked themselves in two ways. Now that all this has happen NCIS will scrutinize their marriage much more closely - they will get the grilling interview about their marriage, interviewed separately, etc...

The adversarial asylum claim will be a nightmare of long duration. They will have to make regular court appearances for it and if you miss a court date it's automatic deportation - no questions asked, judge stamps the order right then and there. You will be deported if you fuck up and there is no appeal on that.

I would be shocked if Nina can get a pro-bono lawyer. Pro-bono lawyers usually work for truly destitute clients, the people who have nothing and would be fucked without a lawyer. Even then probably only 3% of destitute clients get lucky and get a pro-bono lawyer. I can't see an immigration lawyer who sees true hardship cases everyday, and takes $5,000 from a Mexican dishwasher with three kids who works 80 hours a week at below minimum wage to pay it, is going to look at Nina and Greta and their troon vacation scam and do work for them pro bono, TLL or not.

Add to the fact Nina's case is quite complicated now and no way is a lawyer going to deal with a complex case for free. Expect TLL to ask donors to pay for a trans lawyer and I'm going to estimate that's $15,000 for the first year of BS but a minimum $5,000 retainer which doesn't include the fees. (Just to file a I-130 and I-485 it's $1100 and that doesn't include all the medical stuff and biometrics you have to pay to submit with it)

Expect Greta to shut the fuck up about Nina and the specifics of her situation after Tuesday if she gets bail. Any lawyer is going to be horrified at all the information they have put out there that hurts their case. The only positive if I'm assuming some of what's out there helps to prove the are in a legit relationship and not faking a marriage for a green card.

The whole working illegally though? Oh, that will fuck her hard on both matters. You do NOT want to work illegally while pleading for asylum/I-130 approval. (It's worse for I-130 approval. In aslyum matters, if the case goes on more than six months and they all do, you can petition for a temp work permit. Temp work permits are usually granted, unless they see you have already been working illegally.) These two idiots still think Nina "working" at TLL is something to brag about but not much they can do about it now, that boat has sailed...

Regardless, having a lawyer ensures Nina will be protected from any type of immediate deportation. You pretty much must have a lawyer in these situation to avoid getting totally fucked

 

[Ti-99/4A]

The fact that this is going to be a very long and expensive process is going to be a real problem. Other troons don't like it when someone else keeps hogging all of the attention and pitybux that could be going to them. Especially Phil and @Buffalo Bill .

 

[AnOminous]

Expect Greta to shut the fuck up about Nina and the specifics of her situation after Tuesday if she gets bail. Any lawyer is going to be horrified at all the information they have put out there that hurts their case. The only positive if I'm assuming some of what's out there helps to prove the are in a legit relationship and not faking a marriage for a green card.

If Greta has shown one signal character defect, it is an absolute inability to STFU for any length of time. They've kind of already let any horses out of that barn with literally years of social media blathering that obliterates any case they want to make now.

The illegally working thing is just one more reason not to take the asylum claim seriously. I think an adjudicator is going to look at that and conclude that in fact Nina is here to do what Nina came to do here in the first place, i.e. work, and that Nina continued to do after it became illegal to do so.

I also wouldn't be surprised if Nina's departure from Google also somehow reflects badly on the asylum claim, not for any particular reason other than that these two idiots seem to fuck up everything it is humanly possible to fuck up so I can't imagine losing a job at Google going smoothly either.

 

[Doc Cassidy]

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Fallon Fox is a Trans MMA fighter that fights in the women's division and is known for severely injuring her opponents. One of her opponents after suffering broken bones, a concussion, and several staples in her head said “I've fought a lot of women and have never felt the strength that I felt in a fight as I did that night. I can’t answer whether it’s because she was born a man or not because I’m not a doctor. I can only say, I’ve never felt so overpowered ever in my life and I am an abnormally strong female in my own right."

Ronda Rousey refuses to fight her because she claims it isn't a fair fight.

Long story short, she's a dude that uses trans rights to beat up women.

 

[Jaimas]

Fallon Fox is a Trans MMA fighter that fights in the women's division and is known for severely injuring her opponents. One of her opponents after suffering broken bones, a concussion, and several staples in her head said “I've fought a lot of women and have never felt the strength that I felt in a fight as I did that night. I can’t answer whether it’s because she was born a man or not because I’m not a doctor. I can only say, I’ve never felt so overpowered ever in my life and I am an abnormally strong female in my own right."

Ronda Rousey refuses to fight her because she claims it isn't a fair fight.

Long story short, she's a dude that uses trans rights to beat up women.

And the question arises how the fuck that was even let in in the first place.

 

[Doc Cassidy]

And the question arises how the fuck that was even let in in the first place.

Lol it won't be long before sports consist solely of a men's division and a trans division because women are going to get pushed out of sports entirely.

 

[AnOminous]

Fallon Fox is a Trans MMA fighter that fights in the women's division and is known for severely injuring her opponents. One of her opponents after suffering broken bones, a concussion, and several staples in her head said “I've fought a lot of women and have never felt the strength that I felt in a fight as I did that night. I can’t answer whether it’s because she was born a man or not because I’m not a doctor. I can only say, I’ve never felt so overpowered ever in my life and I am an abnormally strong female in my own right."

Ronda Rousey refuses to fight her because she claims it isn't a fair fight.

Long story short, she's a dude that uses trans rights to beat up women.

It's like these troons couldn't be any more stereotypically exactly what they're accused of being, i.e. violent men forcing their way into women's spaces in this case to literally beat the shit out of them using their superior man strength.

 

[bacterium]

I skipped a few pages and know nothing about immigration law. But.. Isn't bail/bond only when they actually think you have commited a crime?

I mean you don't have to post bond when you get pulled over for a broken tail light.

Again, I know little about law, but if bond has been setset wouldn't they be able to post it immediately?

@AnOminous your expertise is requested. And hopefully null has you on the payroll . (ha)

 

[Very Honest Content]

Fallon Fox is . . . Long story short, she's a dude that uses trans rights to beat up women.

So, a heel, you're saying. People hate lying chickenshit cowards instinctively.

As for the theory of there being premeditation on Kjel part to dispose of the fat with an ICE blow-away diet, I don't really see it as a planned disposal attempt, just standard Mr. Anderson verbal diarrhea against the man to rock the boat that fell on ears that were just fine with enforcing the laws of the country that are on the books instead of silently accepting a social media shaming for being an oppressor.

Now from here I wouldn't ever put it past the winner of the Mooby to salvage lemonade from lemons of his own planting with a turn on a dime, especially when the reward/cost ratio calculus sets in through the thick skull of the architect of this whole shit-show in regards to keeping at this campaign of attrition. But I don't think the plan was, "dispose of the co-grifter, solicit for funds, reap ill gotten gains," from the outset with the navigational decisions to Chicago, even if the outcome ends up being just that.

 

[BOLDYSPICY!]

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There is only one super 8 motel in Eloy.
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Glad to see Greta's heart isn't aching for her one true love tonight.

Sorry Nina, you were traded for Snape.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought this came across as weird/insensitive. I certainly wouldn't be posting about how I was "ballin'" in a motel while my wife was in a cell, for Christ's sake.

I would be shocked if Nina can get a pro-bono lawyer. Pro-bono lawyers usually work for truly destitute clients, the people who have nothing and would be fucked without a lawyer. Even then probably only 3% of destitute clients get lucky and get a pro-bono lawyer. I can't see an immigration lawyer who sees true hardship cases everyday, and takes $5,000 from a Mexican dishwasher with three kids who works 80 hours a week at below minimum wage to pay it, is going to look at Nina and Greta and their troon vacation scam and do work for them pro bono, TLL or not.

I thought they had hired that trans lawyer in D.C. I could see her taking on the case pro bono, since Nina is an "activist" who runs a "suicide hotline," & thus an integral part of the community.

If Greta has shown one signal character defect, it is an absolute inability to STFU for any length of time. They've kind of already let any horses out of that barn with literally years of social media blathering that obliterates any case they want to make now.

That's what's going to keep them from sneaking off anywhere undetected if Nina manages to get released. They're definitely both flight risks, but I imagine Greta's inability to keep his damn trap shut will make them pretty easy to track.

Ronda Rousey refuses to fight her because she claims it isn't a fair fight.

That's pretty bad, considering Rousey's a fucking tank. Was Fox ever on hormones? I know a trans athlete wanting to play on the other team has to be on HRT for an extended amount of time for it to be fair.

 

[Sissy Galvez]

During the GWB years, didn't he give amnesty to illegal aliens that were married to US citizens which allowed them to apply for a green card without being detained/deported? Is that still in effect?

If Shrek manages to resolve his divorce issue, so the marriage to El Niño can be validated, that shouldn't change shit. He's still been living and working here for years illegally. I can't imagine ICE will say 'ok you get a timeout card until you fix your marriage and obtain a green card'. I'd imagine the deportation continues unless he obtains asylum.

 

[AnOminous]

I skipped a few pages and know nothing about immigration law. But.. Isn't bail/bond only when they actually think you have commited a crime?

Being here and/or working illegally is (often) a crime. Also, it's not bond in exactly the same sense as being bailed out for a crime, but the purpose is the same: to ensure your appearance at whatever proceedings come next.

During the GWB years, didn't he give amnesty to illegal aliens that were married to US citizens which allowed them to apply for a green card without being detained/deported? Is that still in effect?

It may be that there isn't a valid marriage, not because of any troon stuff but just because Greta was too lazy and stupid to do the paperwork. A few months back they were collecting donations to get that stuff in order, but don't appear to have lifted a finger to actually do it, which makes one wonder where exactly that money went.

It seems they blew it partying after conning people out of it, which is yet another scam on their record.

 

[Luminous Being]

Not sure if this was suggested yet (still catching up with the last few pages), but the bit Smutley linked about ICE setting bond initially

If the detainee is eligible for a bond, ICE will tell you what the amount they want you to pay. If you can’t pay that amount, or if you think it’s too high, you or the detainee’s attorney can make a motion for a “bond hearing.”

reads very much like Nina might have, with the help of Ava and "helpful" advice from Greta, simply disputed the amount of bond money they want. Maybe ICE wanted too much money and they wouldn't have been able to pay it without ebegging to the max for weeks.

If that's the case and they actually have to go before a n immigration judge for a hearing, what are the chances they will get the bond cost lowered?

From what's been said in this thread the Judges in Elroy are hardasses when it comes to immigration. Has the Troon team shot themselves in the foot with this? I mean, if ICE does research on the detainees they want to deport they must have a file they will show to the judge. And if there's anything about the Ogre and the childwife dragging their asses in obtaining legal status, Nina working for Uber while illegal and working for TLL and getting money from there as well, also while bening illegal, couldn't the judge completely block any chance of getting bonded out as well - just reverse the entire thing on them and make sure Nina's staying locked up?

Because if so, that would be hilarious³.

 

[Thiletonomics]

Lol it won't be long before sports consist solely of a men's division and a trans division because women are going to get pushed out of sports entirely.

Wasn't there a controversy about a trans Track & Field athlete a while ago? I don't remember who that person was, and I think that person may have even competed in the Olympics.

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

To be honest they could try running but we're keeping an eye on them. Not really an option especially as Greta or whatever troon they shack up with as they try and flee ICE will keep posting Facebook shit anyways.

We can just tip ICE off where they are. Always an option.

Running would be the absolute worst thing they could possible do. They are stupid, but they can't be that stupid. If Nina runs it's an automatic deportation order that will haunt her for the rest of her life and is irreversible and a lifetime ban from the USA. Nina will be a fugitive for life if she runs, ICE will be actively looking for her and if they find her she will be on the first plane back to India.

I thought they had hired that trans lawyer in D.C. I could see her taking on the case pro bono, since Nina is an "activist" who runs a "suicide hotline," & thus an integral part of the community.
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They said they hired a DC lawyer, which to means means paying. Seems like they would have mentioned the brave trans lawyer hero is helping Nina for FREE if that was the case. Lawyers only take so many pro-bono cases a year and probably knock back 99.9999% of requests for pro-bono work. The demand is overwhelming and you have some truly destitute deserving clients out there. Lawyers do pro-bono work when a client has absolutely no ability to pay, not because they don't want to pay or would like to spend their money on vacations instead of legal fees.

If this was just helping with a typical I-130 application there might be a chance the lawyer would just do it for free because it would be simple and take very little time. But this is now a complex multi-faceted immigration case, involving asylum, removal proceedings, expired visas and an I-130 application - all needed by a couple with obvious financial resources. Even if Nina tries to lie and plead poverty as soon as the lawyer sees they can "fundraise" they will expect to be paid. I promise you a lawyer isn't going to waste this much time and resources on a client that they know can cough up the money, TLL or no. By some miracle if the lawyer was stupid enough to do it pro-bono (and I think fuck no on that) they would still have cover the lawyers travel fees, expenses, and all the application/medical fees on their own.

If you read about a lawyer is doing it pro-bono it's only because they haven't looked that deeply into Nina and Greta yet. The moment the lawyer discovers they have the money to be on a permanent vacation most of the year and want to move to expensive sunny California (from expensive Chicago) they are going to say "fuck you, pay me."

Even more importantly there is no civil rights glory in this for a lawyer because this case has NOTHING to do with discrimination and everything to do with Nina/Greta just being lazy and irresponsible.