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Fewer Young men are having sex, why? - And why the sex disparity?
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Yamaha YM2612
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I don't watch tiktoks. I'm a man. Summarize for me, gay boy
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Watching the most gratuitous media ever produced probably
1. Skewers your expectations of real life encounters and interactions
2. Puts forth temptations you would have never thought of otherwise
Both these effect both genders, similar in some ways, and vastly different in others. Most people are just happy to be approached and someone take interest in them and everyone's shy until they need something.
1. Skewers your expectations of real life encounters and interactions
2. Puts forth temptations you would have never thought of otherwise
Both these effect both genders, similar in some ways, and vastly different in others. Most people are just happy to be approached and someone take interest in them and everyone's shy until they need something.
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I can only speak for myself.
While I did my fair share of sinning when I was lapsed in faith I never found it particularly fulfilling.
Since my return to the Church I've embraced the virtue of living a chaste life and I try to remain committed to that virtue which means no sex until marriage.
Therefore the challenge becomes finding a woman I'm compatible with that's also worth marrying which is a pretty high bar to meet. Additionally I don't drink and I refuse to use dating apps or websites so my opportunities to meet such a woman are slim. The obvious answer is through Church and Church functions but I am hesistant to turn my place of worship into a dating market. It feels wrong.
I've resolved to leave it up to God. If he wants me to be married it shall be so and I'll join the deaconate. If not I am seriously considering the priesthood.
While I did my fair share of sinning when I was lapsed in faith I never found it particularly fulfilling.
Since my return to the Church I've embraced the virtue of living a chaste life and I try to remain committed to that virtue which means no sex until marriage.
Therefore the challenge becomes finding a woman I'm compatible with that's also worth marrying which is a pretty high bar to meet. Additionally I don't drink and I refuse to use dating apps or websites so my opportunities to meet such a woman are slim. The obvious answer is through Church and Church functions but I am hesistant to turn my place of worship into a dating market. It feels wrong.
I've resolved to leave it up to God. If he wants me to be married it shall be so and I'll join the deaconate. If not I am seriously considering the priesthood.
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I've been married now since 2017. When I was dating through university and early on my career there was just a stark change in everything.
I ended up with a foreign raised woman (that I met in the USA not a passport bro thing) because her perspective was just so fresh compared to the parade of Disney Princesses I found myself dating. I work in a highly paid industry and I would say a third of the guys I started my career with are all unmarried and unattached. They have average or below average looks but above average to extremely high salaries. They have houses, cars, etc and have all failed in the dating market.
Disney Princess Syndrome is the uniquely American Girl aspect where they have retarded expectations and dump a guy the second he fails one of them. I had a handful of relationships fail because I didn't meet some checkbox or didn't make her feel like a princess for a weekend. Recently I met an elementary school teacher that is an acquaintance of one of my wife's friends. This girl is definitely cute but not drop dead gorgeous and IDK maybe 28 or something. She routinely gets invited out on private planes to hangout in Vegas with dudes she meets online and other completely stupid shit. Yes she of course puts out for those dudes no question. She is totally mid all things considered and 15 years ago simply would have had no way of even meeting men with this level of material wealth. Even if she was aware that none of them will ever commit to her. I bring this up specifically because she is nothing special and also thinks nothing of having hot girl summer until she's 35. Unaware of how it will actually play out when Vegas Bros stop asking her to come with them.
The average dude cannot compete with this. Even if they make good money, have houses, cars and all of the other things that would have made you somewhat attractive 15 years ago. The average dude is competing just as hard as he ever did. But the hill is so steep now it is way easier to just say fuck it. I am no Adonis myself but I was blessed enough to be 6'4 and not ugly. If you make the same amount of money as me and are 5'7, fat, and ugly its just a million times harder.
I ended up with a foreign raised woman (that I met in the USA not a passport bro thing) because her perspective was just so fresh compared to the parade of Disney Princesses I found myself dating. I work in a highly paid industry and I would say a third of the guys I started my career with are all unmarried and unattached. They have average or below average looks but above average to extremely high salaries. They have houses, cars, etc and have all failed in the dating market.
Disney Princess Syndrome is the uniquely American Girl aspect where they have retarded expectations and dump a guy the second he fails one of them. I had a handful of relationships fail because I didn't meet some checkbox or didn't make her feel like a princess for a weekend. Recently I met an elementary school teacher that is an acquaintance of one of my wife's friends. This girl is definitely cute but not drop dead gorgeous and IDK maybe 28 or something. She routinely gets invited out on private planes to hangout in Vegas with dudes she meets online and other completely stupid shit. Yes she of course puts out for those dudes no question. She is totally mid all things considered and 15 years ago simply would have had no way of even meeting men with this level of material wealth. Even if she was aware that none of them will ever commit to her. I bring this up specifically because she is nothing special and also thinks nothing of having hot girl summer until she's 35. Unaware of how it will actually play out when Vegas Bros stop asking her to come with them.
The average dude cannot compete with this. Even if they make good money, have houses, cars and all of the other things that would have made you somewhat attractive 15 years ago. The average dude is competing just as hard as he ever did. But the hill is so steep now it is way easier to just say fuck it. I am no Adonis myself but I was blessed enough to be 6'4 and not ugly. If you make the same amount of money as me and are 5'7, fat, and ugly its just a million times harder.
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I'm in a similar boat, and have been told a couple things regarding this. God wants you to find someone and if he wants you to find someone, he wants it to be with someone from church, don't you think? I've been told by a few men that it is ok to look for other believers at church...that's kind of the point, is it not. But I get it, I often feel the same way
Also, at least in my church, lots of single girls, maybe at yours too
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If you meet someone nice at church you hit it off with go for it. Time was that people mostly met at church or church events. Just don’t try to serial date every single lady there or something
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Have you been to a church lately? Depending on the church it is VERY difficult to not hit on the tons of 10s, at least at mine
But like the other dude said, Disney princess syndrome is very real. I've seen it multiple times
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this is why I said "time was". all I'm saying is that if you do happen to meet someone you hit it off with don't sabotage yourself out of some self imposed restriction on "not turning my church into a dating market"
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There are many factors going into it, because it is complex behaviour (human coupling and sex) that you're trying to understand.
It is impossible to understand unless you consider the sexual revolution, which may have begun with alfred kinsey's studies and hugh hefner being inspired by it and playboy.
There's a cultural change that took place that made pornography much more common, with the people vs larry flint as a keystone moment, where american courts accepted the argument that pornography was speech, and therefor protected as part of free speech.
This lay the ground for profitable internet pornography, camgirls and finally onlyfans.
There is medical change that took place where the condom, birth control pill, morning after pill and abortion allowed women to have more sex with less risk (men too, I suppose, but they always weren't the deterrent to the degree that women were).
Though of course the evolutionary programming of who women found attractive didn't change, it gave them the ability to have sex for a couple of other reasons besides "I love this man and I want his children".
This meant that women could be more sexual / slutty to catch the interest of men they were after and the competition between women to catch the best men invariably required them to have sex sooner, because if she didn't, another would. It's a bit of a classic bind for women, as even though the stigma was weakened, it never went away and having lots of sex may make it harder to secure a quality mate in the first place.
This is also what allowed the more attractive males to have more sex partners, as without the same risk of fathering children, there was less of a risk of being found out.
Then of course there is the destruction of marriage, the introduction of no fault divorce, and the social services system where over a lifetime women on average receive money from the state, whereas men on average pay into the state. The result of this is that women still need men to pay to support all they have, but that money is received to them through the state, so that they aren't even aware of it. They no longer have the same financial incentive to secure a marriage for her financial security.
The result is that financially productive males that are more lacking in other fields have lost their most attractive quality to women. It has contributed to the incel problem (though remembering documentaries like loveshy forum documentary makes it hard to imagine it didn't always exist in the margins without being seen).
It's honestly hard to see why there isn't a male revolution. It's probably because for those in power or near power there isn't much value in funding and supporting it. And because the men capable of leading the revolution are benefiting from the status quo.
To some degree the money is taken from men, given to women throughout both their lives, and this frees women to fuck around both literally and figuratively. Because the damage to women's lives of fucking around is dampened, there are less horror stories of women that paid the price and a smaller incentive to raise daughters to not make that mistake. You could say that women marry the state, and so do men, but there no longer is the promise of sex and children to the man, which a marriage would have promised. The woman also loses the promise of a relationship beyond her younger years. Though the main barrier tends to be her heightened standards because of the partners she got to experience, as there are enough men who would take her up on it even past her prime.
I wonder if there is going to be a resurgance against internet dating, and more intersex hobbies that people will use to meet people. I think the benefits to both sexes would be there. There is something that happens if you see the same people around consistently and gives you time to get to know them, and also to some degree artificially limits your wide as an ocean and deep as a puddle view that the current strain of jewish controlled internet dating seems to incentivise (okcupid was one of the few exceptions before they were bought and turned into another tinder).
It is impossible to understand unless you consider the sexual revolution, which may have begun with alfred kinsey's studies and hugh hefner being inspired by it and playboy.
There's a cultural change that took place that made pornography much more common, with the people vs larry flint as a keystone moment, where american courts accepted the argument that pornography was speech, and therefor protected as part of free speech.
This lay the ground for profitable internet pornography, camgirls and finally onlyfans.
There is medical change that took place where the condom, birth control pill, morning after pill and abortion allowed women to have more sex with less risk (men too, I suppose, but they always weren't the deterrent to the degree that women were).
Though of course the evolutionary programming of who women found attractive didn't change, it gave them the ability to have sex for a couple of other reasons besides "I love this man and I want his children".
This meant that women could be more sexual / slutty to catch the interest of men they were after and the competition between women to catch the best men invariably required them to have sex sooner, because if she didn't, another would. It's a bit of a classic bind for women, as even though the stigma was weakened, it never went away and having lots of sex may make it harder to secure a quality mate in the first place.
This is also what allowed the more attractive males to have more sex partners, as without the same risk of fathering children, there was less of a risk of being found out.
Then of course there is the destruction of marriage, the introduction of no fault divorce, and the social services system where over a lifetime women on average receive money from the state, whereas men on average pay into the state. The result of this is that women still need men to pay to support all they have, but that money is received to them through the state, so that they aren't even aware of it. They no longer have the same financial incentive to secure a marriage for her financial security.
The result is that financially productive males that are more lacking in other fields have lost their most attractive quality to women. It has contributed to the incel problem (though remembering documentaries like loveshy forum documentary makes it hard to imagine it didn't always exist in the margins without being seen).
It's honestly hard to see why there isn't a male revolution. It's probably because for those in power or near power there isn't much value in funding and supporting it. And because the men capable of leading the revolution are benefiting from the status quo.
To some degree the money is taken from men, given to women throughout both their lives, and this frees women to fuck around both literally and figuratively. Because the damage to women's lives of fucking around is dampened, there are less horror stories of women that paid the price and a smaller incentive to raise daughters to not make that mistake. You could say that women marry the state, and so do men, but there no longer is the promise of sex and children to the man, which a marriage would have promised. The woman also loses the promise of a relationship beyond her younger years. Though the main barrier tends to be her heightened standards because of the partners she got to experience, as there are enough men who would take her up on it even past her prime.
I wonder if there is going to be a resurgance against internet dating, and more intersex hobbies that people will use to meet people. I think the benefits to both sexes would be there. There is something that happens if you see the same people around consistently and gives you time to get to know them, and also to some degree artificially limits your wide as an ocean and deep as a puddle view that the current strain of jewish controlled internet dating seems to incentivise (okcupid was one of the few exceptions before they were bought and turned into another tinder).
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Romance is dead, or shall we say impractical now. This structure that people are trying to claw back is a fairly new one, relatively speaking, and that expected structure is what we call dating. Meet, interest, date, “going steady”, proposals, etc. and all with your perfect sweetheart. Sure, Western women have the Disney princess attitude of waiting for Prince Charming but men aren’t far off the mark either, waiting for their Snow White or Cinderella; the most perfect and most beautiful girl there ever was. The structure doesn’t work at all. At least there were different goals in mind. Some courtship, some serenading, not just how soon and how fast can I pound this.
Sex is an object, romance is dead, so fewer relationships. Both men and women are guilty of having sky-high expectations and then settle for someone who fulfills one or two of those completely instead of just meeting a well-rounded person. And then no one wants to put in work, like a relationship is just supposed to exist by virtue of you wanting it to be there. I’m watching dudes in their 20s treat their girls like highschool floozies - ignoring calls, talking shit, having no long term interests or goals for the relationship. I get it when you’re just getting to know each other but these are young guys that are in years-long relationships. You’re either in it to get married one day or you should probably quit wasting your time, IMHO. But they don’t care. The relationship itself is an object and the sex is masturbatory.
All semblance of a healthy relationship is lost on these last couple generations. Pair the enormous divorce rate with the fact that the “old ways” pretty much got glassed in favour of online dating as early as the 90s and we are all flying blind. My lady and I courted over our distaste for this sort of thing and a desire to make a relationship as much as it can be. Your partner is your teammate in life that you’ve chosen and at a certain point you have a level of obligation to keep things functioning under all circumstances. You can’t even get youths out of bed for work in the morning on a consistent basis.
Call it fluoride in the water or the crushing psychological weight of the things we must fulfill every day but the fact is the foundations for courting and meeting and falling in love are all gone or perhaps never existed - we are, after all, discussing a hollywoodized version of dating.
I’ve got two pieces of advice I’d give and I often do when I have these discussions:
One is to settle down and focus on yourself. Nothing is more attractive than any man or woman that can carry him or herself confidently and back up that confidence with real world gumption and accomplishments.
Two is to stop going for the dimepieces. Hell, if you’re looking for real relationships, dump your expectations for conventional outward beauty. If you think hot crazy chicks can fuck, let me tell you about ugly chicks. Wew.
Tl;dr: expectations too high, gayness too high, go fuck an ugly girl
Need a bigboned, buttugly woman by my side /
Loves me so true she gave me that warm peach pie
Sex is an object, romance is dead, so fewer relationships. Both men and women are guilty of having sky-high expectations and then settle for someone who fulfills one or two of those completely instead of just meeting a well-rounded person. And then no one wants to put in work, like a relationship is just supposed to exist by virtue of you wanting it to be there. I’m watching dudes in their 20s treat their girls like highschool floozies - ignoring calls, talking shit, having no long term interests or goals for the relationship. I get it when you’re just getting to know each other but these are young guys that are in years-long relationships. You’re either in it to get married one day or you should probably quit wasting your time, IMHO. But they don’t care. The relationship itself is an object and the sex is masturbatory.
All semblance of a healthy relationship is lost on these last couple generations. Pair the enormous divorce rate with the fact that the “old ways” pretty much got glassed in favour of online dating as early as the 90s and we are all flying blind. My lady and I courted over our distaste for this sort of thing and a desire to make a relationship as much as it can be. Your partner is your teammate in life that you’ve chosen and at a certain point you have a level of obligation to keep things functioning under all circumstances. You can’t even get youths out of bed for work in the morning on a consistent basis.
Call it fluoride in the water or the crushing psychological weight of the things we must fulfill every day but the fact is the foundations for courting and meeting and falling in love are all gone or perhaps never existed - we are, after all, discussing a hollywoodized version of dating.
I’ve got two pieces of advice I’d give and I often do when I have these discussions:
One is to settle down and focus on yourself. Nothing is more attractive than any man or woman that can carry him or herself confidently and back up that confidence with real world gumption and accomplishments.
Two is to stop going for the dimepieces. Hell, if you’re looking for real relationships, dump your expectations for conventional outward beauty. If you think hot crazy chicks can fuck, let me tell you about ugly chicks. Wew.
Tl;dr: expectations too high, gayness too high, go fuck an ugly girl
Need a bigboned, buttugly woman by my side /
Loves me so true she gave me that warm peach pie
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Yamaha YM2612
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Not even close. Male standards have always been low
Don't be gross, be nice
That simple
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- men dont provide
- men refuse to marry
- men don't protect
- men don't want to take accountability for any accidental pregnancies calling it baby trapping
- women are solely responsible for birth control that sometimes absolutely wrecks them
- men shame motherhood in every which way especially single mothers
- men lie and decieve and when women complain we are told " we should choose better"
- men refuse to pay for dates
- men refuse to asknowledge any of this
- men and women have nothing in common outside of fucking and rearing children
- dildoes exist
- ergo men aren't needed in their lifes
Sidenote i was reading several threads about asking women why they don't date all of them in unison was dating men was cause of anxiety and mental problems . Their lifes greatly improved when they stopped dating .
I am sure the jews and the the power that be are at fault for that too.
- men refuse to marry
- men don't protect
- men don't want to take accountability for any accidental pregnancies calling it baby trapping
- women are solely responsible for birth control that sometimes absolutely wrecks them
- men shame motherhood in every which way especially single mothers
- men lie and decieve and when women complain we are told " we should choose better"
- men refuse to pay for dates
- men refuse to asknowledge any of this
- men and women have nothing in common outside of fucking and rearing children
- dildoes exist
- ergo men aren't needed in their lifes
Sidenote i was reading several threads about asking women why they don't date all of them in unison was dating men was cause of anxiety and mental problems . Their lifes greatly improved when they stopped dating .
I am sure the jews and the the power that be are at fault for that too.
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I'm having sex all the time. Just ask your mothers.
Outside of this forum, and Twitter, I have literally never seen any guy act the way you are describing. If the men around you are acting like this, you should find new people to be around.
Yamaha YM2612
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It's the other way around
Men provide, marry, protect etc women who are valuable and who are worth doing things for. Keep in mind, not even a century ago, BOYS were crossing the Atlantic ocean and storming up a beach into nazi gunfire for their women.
Men will die for a real woman, it's always been that way. women have become whores and given themselves over to slavery to other things. Modern women are already married to degeneracy, vanity, greed, social media, being a cum rag and flashlight.
A man doesn't want to protect or provide for women who already have husbands
Be a better woman
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That what women see unfiltered thoughts of men . Edit. Also lol this sounds like nobody I knew voted for trump in 2016.
Sex is dropping your grandparents lost virginity earlier than zoomers and had more sex in their 20s than the current crop 20 year olds now . Apparently not enough . Stop watching porn retard. Nobody is sucking a bag of dicks and nobody is getting laid.
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The posts you see are what a tiny fraction of deranged terminally online losers put up. The majority of women aren't man-hating Onlyfans pornstars who want to put babies in blenders, like some deranged ones that post on twitter.
Most people don't think that way, and I feel sorry for you if that's how you think of the world.
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I am sorry are you saying men want family and kids ? Are you saying the phenomenon forever girlfriend doesnt exist? Are you telling the experiences of millions of women who say dating is stressfull due to have to watch for lying, cheating, being played and strung along and they would rather die alone than date? All this is my head buddy? just asking because i am looking at tshirts with married stick figures with game over writting on it and ads for condoms claiming kids are more expensive or some shit?
I swear you men need to decide . This is not happening or this is happening and you deserved it you whores.