Modern Web Woes - I'm mad at the internet

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Does that include saved passwords?
General advice. If you plan to move over your passwords anyway. Go ahead and move to a separate password manager.

For one they are pretty convenient because they can be used anywhere.

But also a lot more secure. And have more features than built in browser ones.

Ope. The guy above beat me to it.

I'll add even bitwarden is an improvement imo. And for someone that wants the same manager on their phone and computer it's a great option. Also it's easy to set up.
 
oh yeah. DId I say fuck reddit?
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oh yeah. DId I say fuck reddit?
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Ah yes the Quora method
You might be able to get around that by going to the old.reddit.com domain but honestly reddit isn't even worth bothering with anymore. The shitposts on there stopped being funny a long ass time ago, there's bugger all decent technical threads for when you're troubleshooting something and it's just extremely gay. About the only thing it's useful for now is laughing at the posters, can't wait to see it put itself in the ground
 
That "Sign in with Google" or "Continue with Google" BS is so nonfunctional. Not to mention anti-privacy.

the old.reddit.com domain
Shouldn't be surprised if someday soon they pull the plug on old.reddit.com. But there's also alternative frontends for using Reddit.

Remember a time when big websites were not so consistently ass that alternative frontends weren't even a thing? Kiwi Farms remembers.
 
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Neocities is theoretically a great idea... it's fun, expressive, teaches kids skills, etc... but it's totally troontown over there. Incredibly depressing state of modern troon-ideology and consumerism that kids can't seem to "express themselves" independently from their gender/sexuality and what media they consoom.

It's so bad we have a thread on it.

I'm bummed that there are so many "small web" movements out there, like Neocities, Gemini, Wiby, experiments like Spring 83, etc that all recognize modern web problems. However none of them have ambitions to get big or be transformative. They're treated as niche projects, comfy spaces, experimentation, toy protocols, etc. There's nothing wrong with having fun like that, but they're designed to ignore the modern web for a brief moment, not to fix it.

I wish there were translation projects that shrunk the hellscape of JavaScript, SPA's, and browser abuse down to minimalist, small web standards. I know it's functionally impossible, because such sites are too fragile to translate due to overreliance on their Javascript functionalities. Many of them intentionally design their sites to break without all the "safeguards" they put into their complex code. And I see zero web devs putting out commercial projects even trying to blunt that trend; I doubt the latest generation of code monkeys even understands the complaint.
 
It's so bad we have a thread on it.

I'm bummed that there are so many "small web" movements out there, like Neocities, Gemini, Wiby, experiments like Spring 83, etc that all recognize modern web problems. However none of them have ambitions to get big or be transformative. They're treated as niche projects, comfy spaces, experimentation, toy protocols, etc. There's nothing wrong with having fun like that, but they're designed to ignore the modern web for a brief moment, not to fix it.

I wish there were translation projects that shrunk the hellscape of JavaScript, SPA's, and browser abuse down to minimalist, small web standards. I know it's functionally impossible, because such sites are too fragile to translate due to overreliance on their Javascript functionalities. Many of them intentionally design their sites to break without all the "safeguards" they put into their complex code. And I see zero web devs putting out commercial projects even trying to blunt that trend; I doubt the latest generation of code monkeys even understands the complaint.
Not exactly a fix for this. But you can use surf browser. And use it to avoid using site like that. Because such sites are the ones that are likely to just not render with it.

I'm too modern web reliant to go fully surf. But as far as ultra minimal web browsers go. It's the best I have tried. (Especially compared to stuff like w3m, or links)
 
Not exactly a fix for this. But you can use surf browser. And use it to avoid using site like that. Because such sites are the ones that are likely to just not render with it.

I'm too modern web reliant to go fully surf. But as far as ultra minimal web browsers go. It's the best I have tried. (Especially compared to stuff like w3m, or links)
Isn't surf a glorified Webkit shell? It shouldn't struggle with rendering any modern website.
 
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Speaking of searching online, the YouTube search is completely fucking useless.

It frontloads the results with videos you already watched, even if they are barely related to what you are looking for. What's worse the search results will have blocked out sections with completely unrelated recommended videos or your subs. I'm searching for something specific, why the fuck are you showing me my subscriptions that I can very easily check myself on the subscription feed.
I cant find the older videos from like 2006-07 era of youtube, so Im stuck with literal slop.

I tried finding this fun old video that went into detail about the old nazi zombies story when it was just WAW zombies, and instead I get 30+ minute videos explaining everything.

God I fucking hate how I cant find anything I actually want now
 
Didnt even think to do that, I thought I could just hit the 'search by oldest' and get what I wanted, but knowing this
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Yeeeeeeah, about that.

Even if you do include those search parameters, YouTube has a tendency to bury any videos that don't have a large footprint of some kind. Even then, good luck with trying to find any related videos from that era. The sidebar is near completely dominated by more contemporary videos of one sort or another. Up until a few years back, you used to be able to see some form of related videos depending on the era of the current video you were on.

These days, not even using the method mentioned will be completely foolproof in guarding against the glut of current year slop. There's also the matter that a good portion of the videos from the way back when days simply do not exist anymore for any number of reasons. Copyright takedown. Author deleting the video and/or their channels. Getting buried to the point where it becomes impossible to find them. Even if you had the algorithm from say 2011, you won't be able to find those videos anymore without the appropriate playlists and/or favorites from your browser.

Past me had the hindsight to randomly favorite videos, albeit not enough of them. But I have a good enough sample size to say that at least half of my favorites from the years between 2007-2010 are just gone. The only proof of their existence being either the favorite itself, or perhaps something on the waybackmachine that archived the webpage, but not the video itself.

Then there is the added insult of videos that technically exist, but in a privated form that has no other backup. Good lord, such pains to see something so close, yet so damned far. Good luck trying to contact those creators for a copy, seeing as YouTube did away with the personal PM system sometime after 2012. If you see anything from that era you wish to archive, do it. It may not be around for long.

One thing that pains me about those deleted videos isn't just the loss of the video itself, but also the discourse surrounding it. This also applies especially to videos that technically exist, but all the discourse that wonderfully dates it to what people said back in the day are purged due to being given the dreaded YouTube Kids label. Which means all those comments from back in the day just go poof. Gone.

If it isn't that, then there's the fact that some videos of the age could be copyright blocked in your region.


This video, Pokedictator for instance, has been blocked by Shopro. Back in the day, there was the ability for the copyright holder to just "mute" the audio of a given video. So, the audio is gone, but you still had the video on silence by itself, and the comments therein. It seems though YouTube has changed it sometime in the past to completely block said video, including the comments to go along with it. I am guessing it was done to simplify things, and to prevent the bitching from clogging up valuable real estate that could spend those eyeballs elsehwhere. But boy does it ever piss me off to see something to this effect.

Comments are a shitshow half the time on Youtube, even back then. But they represented a discourse, something genuine, that you do not find much anymore on modern comment sections, sanitized as they are now. God knows I have been trying to search something, some service, something that approximates that version of YouTube that preserves the collective consciousness, the zeitgeist, the browsing experience of back then without the modern shit clogging it up.

It does not exist. I checked up and down, and the solutions that exist only partially address the issue, if it does at all. The only thing I have are the favorites I have left, and the channels that I did not migrate during the YouTube Google Account migration. I recently checked on that a little while back, and I found that the recommendations for that channel are still largely preserved in the past. I have since disabled the watch history for that one, to keep it as a time capsule for the works of 2011. I dare not touch it for fear of tainting it with the modern bull, and in a way that forced Google Account integration was a blessing in disguise.

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Christ, I clicked through nine of those old favorites in a row, and all of them were either deleted, had their channels purged, or were otherwise copyright cocked blocked. I can't imagine much of YouTube from the 2006-2009 are around anymore if this is just a sample of what I have just experienced.
I have stated it once before, and I will say it again.

Archive. Archive. Archive

Something will happen, not if, to those seemingly minsicule videos that you end up wanting to revisit. Be paranoid, archive as much shit as your drives will allow. Screw what YouTube thinks, burn their bandwidth if you must to archive all that you can. Take snapshots of those videos and the related section too, if you can. Preserve some semblence of the feel of that era. YouTube sure as hell won't.

I did manage to find something back then from eighteen years in the past, and it's an old interview with the then surviving WW2 veterans on the Iraq War.


It's surreal, seeing men who are now undoubtably dead from an era where I was able to see their reactions while they were still alive. Not many of those men left, unfortunately, and you don't find those sorts of videos around anymore. Pity, seeing as that was one of the big draws I had towards YouTube to start off with.

Oh well. I do have a few other videos. Just keep in mind that YouTube ended up double compressing some of them. First with the initial compression, then when they fucked up later down the line sometime between 2010-2012 when they updated their compression algorithm that really screwed with those videos of back then. I can assure you while not great, they did not look this terrible even at 240p.

Anyway, here's a few choice ones to enjoy.





That's all I have for the time being. I'll probably post a few more later in the old internet appreciation thread down the line. But it's disheartening to know that many videos even in my favorites are just gone in one form or another. You wouldn't even know that they existed if I didn't favorited them. One must wonder how many others I didn't save suffered a similar fate.
 
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