Neither of these are good answers. Fucking around is obviously bad, but even getting an education to enter the workforce should not be the driving goal of a person's life. It does not lead to true fulfillment or happiness.
So wave around some moolah, not only would men join some "hive mind" but also sacrifice any morals to get it.
No. Again, men are independently minded. Most men, in fact a majority of men oppose gang life and do not do anything for money
Why would a woman go to school?
most men. Yet usa prisons are getting overcrowded.
they usually do do things for money, it's called this thing "getting a job", it's usually the more moralistic version of obtaining money, yet men in gangs don't do this. Wonder why?
Most women aren't the monsters you make them out but you don't want to pay attention to it because that would get in the way of your victim complex.
Your mother is amoral?
Yes
Because they're independently minded. Literally just said that
I didn't say women were monsters.
We're not really in disagreement there. I never said anything about promiscuity. I think high sociosexuality does have negative consequences. I wouldn't be opposed to, for instance, reducing access to contraceptives. That is a much greater component in not only the reduction in fertility, but also in the decline in quality of offspring, as people who are more intelligent and have lower time preference are more likely to use contraceptives. Abortion is the exact opposite. It is largely utilized by people with high time preference, and significantly reduces the burden on society by allowing these people to, in so many words, "wipe themselves out".
Well, then you're trying to make it illegal. So what's even the point of bringing up free will?
Because raising a child as a teenager severely limits the mother's opportunities. That much should be obvious.
You have made that clear, yes
Great, we don’t have that and likely never will. What about the society we have HERE and NOW?
Incredible.
Good thing abortion isn’t murder then. By the way, do you find it unreasonable to wonder if perhaps rape babies are not more inclined to be rapists, or otherwise disordered and miserable as a result of their origins? Are all babies blank slates, or do genetics matter?
School has Chads in it and in later years, rich betabuxxers can be found at the workplace.
It's worth noting that, at least in the USA, there's not an even moral correlation between behavior and imprisonment. Most of America's prisons are full from drug offenses. In terms of violent crime, women received about 30x more abortions than there were legally defined murders each year prior to the overturning of Roe V Wade breaking up abortion legislation to the states.
It's not a "market", because people are largely non-fungible. You're not trading commodities here, or services. The commercialization and gamification of sex by incels is a coping mechanism.
Western countries and East Asia provide the highest quality of life for raising children, and yet have extremely low birth rates. What you're proposing is just welfare, and we already have that. Either way, contraceptives will likely not be limited or made harder to reach in western liberal democracies, except in the event of some kind of unforeseen crisis situation.
