The Holocaust Thread - The Great Debate Between Affirmers, Revisionists and Deniers

[Mr. Frank Einstein Ràtheo]

I'm glad we agree. And that the Zionist movement proceeds the Holocaust only proves that Jews had motivation to fabricate the Holocaust to achieve their ends and had the opportunity to take advantage of their internment during the war towards that end.

What if, in typical Jew fashion, they lie about being Jews to begin with? Is it concievable?

 

[Chugger]

If you can present evidence that the ashes were jews, and they were killed by gassing in the 1940s, I will agree with you. Please keep in mind what we discussed about evidence and burden of proof.

Whose ashes might they be? It was by all accounts a small camp (only 60 Germans there)

You want to neglect the witness evidence. That's fine because just looking at the documentary evidence it's quite obvious they were killed there. If you want to neglect both witness and documentary evidence, maybe you can call the history into question but that approach is something no historian would ever take. Plenty of mass events have been declared upon purely witness and documentary evidence.

If you want me to take you through the documentary evidence I can do that. The basic thing is documents show belzec sobibor Treblinka being camps established as part of action Reinhardt (mass evacuation of Jews from Polish ghettos) which was headed by Odilo Globocnik. then it's shown that globocknik was liquidating all the non working Jews being evacuated.

 

[Imperial Citizen]

I'm glad we agree. And that the Zionist movement proceeds the Holocaust only proves that Jews had motivation to fabricate the Holocaust to achieve their ends and had the opportunity to take advantage of their internment during the war towards that end.

You know that the Holocaust wasn’t the tool that the Israelis used to kick the British out? They didn’t kvetch and guilt the West into supporting them. They used a number of terrorist attacks to push the British to leave. The King David Hotel bombing in 1946 being an infamous one. They antagonized and terrorized the British into leaving.

 

[Bonesjones]

You want to neglect the witness evidence.

Yeah because it's worthless

That's fine because just looking at the documentary evidence it's quite obvious they were killed there

Who cares about documents? Why aren't we looking directly at the physical evidence? The only reason you don't do that is you know it disproves your narrative.

Whose ashes might they be? It was by all accounts a small camp (only 60 Germans there)

So 60 guys killed hundreds of thousands of people? When did they sleep?

If you want to neglect both witness and documentary evidence, maybe you can call the history into question but that approach is something no historian would ever take.

Why do we care about what other people do again? What's wrong can't prove your own assertions without help? Why don't you invite all your holocaust controversy blog buddies here so we can tear them apart? Unlike you, I'm not afraid of answering to anyone.

Plenty of mass events have been declared upon purely witness and documentary evidence.

Like what exactly?

 

[TJT]

I know its been mentioned in here many pages back but even the serial number tattoos make no sense. Upon closer examination they needed to produce the narrative that the anal retentive Germans were too retarded to design a serial number system despite having hundreds of such systems in place already for commercial purposes. If not thousands. German tanks had serial numbers on their constituent parts and were a big part of Allied analysis of German production capabilities as an example.

If you look at any photo they usually have a 5 digit numerical tattoo. This would by definition mean that the highest possible number would be 99999. A far cry from the lol 6 million. So you then see some digits with a letter thrown in and have to then define why they had to go with multiple serial number formats. This point is always handwaved away because people are retarded at math and the idea of tattooing someone is a touchy empathetic subject.

Nevermind that the entire point of cattle branding, id tagging, or serial numbering something is because you intend to keep it around. If your only goal is to exterminate this serves no purpose.

 

[John.Doe]

I know its been mentioned in here many pages back but even the serial number tattoos make no sense.

None of it every made any sense whatsoever, the narrative is so ridiculous that only total control of the media, academia, and law enforcement made it possible to sear this ridiculous bullshit into people's minds over 80+ years of propaganda. If their goal was to exterminate the Jew then the Holocaust makes no sense. Now, if it was made up bullshit to garner sympathy for the Jew and extract resources from White people for generations though.....

"It is agreed, all the Jews must be eliminated, ja? Okay, lets discuss the plan. First we must send out squads of armed soldiers and police with guns to round up the Jews in each village and city."
"Then we march them outside to a field or forest and shoot them, ja?"
"Shoot them? With bullets?"
"Of course, bullets are cheap! And then the filthy Jew corpses we dump into a ditch or mass grave we have forced them to dig, mein Herr! Ninety percent will be done in a month, und by Christmas not a Jew will be left in the glorious Reich!"
"No no no, instead we must load them onto trains, and send them all over the Reich to designated locations!"
"But sir, we need the trains to transport soldiers and war materials, and it is so much more expensive than bullets and a hole in some field!"
"No, you see we must build massive elaborate death camps with cinemas and dentist offices and yes, swimming pools to keep the Jew imprisoned for many years!"
"Mein Herr! Perhaps if we built a jew slaughterhouse and executed as they arrived like cattle in a chute I could see the wisdom, but if we are to eliminate the jew why build huge luxurious camps?"
"Execute them like cattle? Oh no, we have to engineer roller coasters to dump them into ovens, and train wild animals like bears and eagles to maul them, or masturbation machines to kill them - and of course, gas chambers so faulty you can survive by holding your breath! And we must staff the camps with guards so stupid you can escape by walking backwards!"
"Mein Herr, the engineering costs just to design, much less build and operate such elaborate death machines will greatly tax our forces. Why can we not simply use the bullet or rope, and eliminate them immediately?"
"Oh yes, and we must also design, build and fuel massive crematories to destroy all the bodies as well, so that nobody will ever be able to blame our glorious Fuhrer for the elimination of the jew!"
"Mein Herr, we already suffer under a limitation on all fuels, even coal and especially oil. How can we afford such costs? Und why would we need to hide what we are doing, unless we expect the Reich to be defeated?"
"Make sure you communicate all these plans to your subordinates with telepathy, we cannot have a single scrap of paper with direct orders regarding this plan which is supposed to be a matter of public policy!"
"Mein Herr, why can we not simply have the men sent to round them up in the first place just eliminate them? It will be faster, cheaper, and if later becomes awkward we can always say that local units were over-enthusiastic and misunderstood our orders. It is a bit less obvious than large central death camps with machines right from a horror movie, ja?"
"Exactly! We must be sure to do things in a way best suited to making propaganda films and books about how evil we are, so that the Jew can obtain money and power for generations. Now, I must go take a shower, in my bathroom with Jew-skin lampshades and Jew-thumb lightswitches, using soap made from jews, despite thinking they are the most disgusting race in the history of mankind. Maybe also clean my teeth with a toothbrush carved of baby Jew bone, because I am evil and justification for the German people to be genocided along with all other White people."
"........"

Billions of people believe this.

 

[TJT]

Ah yes another favorite. Bullets are so efficient in killing people that they have become the primary means of killing people in armed combat since the introduction of gunpowder centuries ago. So efficient that millions of people have been killed using them.

Too expensive and inefficient to kill Jews though. Especially during an armed conflict that killed millions of Russian soldiers (with bullets) and threw them all into mass graves that now litter all of Eastern Europe. Not for Jews though this logic doesn't apply.

 

[Dawdler]

Guns are loud

 

[Neodanthril]

Ah yes another favorite. Bullets are so efficient in killing people that they have become the primary means of killing people in armed combat since the introduction of gunpowder centuries ago. So efficient that millions of people have been killed using them.

Too expensive and inefficient to kill Jews though. Especially during an armed conflict that killed millions of Russian soldiers (with bullets) and threw them all into mass graves that now litter all of Eastern Europe. Not for Jews though this logic doesn't apply.

The current Holocaust narrative is actually called " Holocaust by bullets.," The academic affirmers have given up on the gas chambers and just talk about einsatsgruppen executions now.

 

[John.Doe]

Guns are loud

Giant death camps with roller coasters and squadrons of trained bears are less obvious?

 

[Bonesjones]

The current Holocaust narrative is actually called " Holocaust by bullets.," The academic affirmers have given up on the gas chambers and just talk about einsatsgruppen executions now.

See when we deny the Holocaust it's called correcting the facts, but when you do it, you are a dirty holocaust denier!

Giant death camps with roller coasters and squadrons of trained bears are less obvious?

Well what can you do when the masturbation machines and electric floors stop working?

 

[TJT]

Billions of people believe this.

Most people also believe that the US army liberated all the camps even though they were all in Poland.

 

[John.Doe]

Most people also believe that the US army liberated all the camps even though they were all in Poland.

Funny how all the so called 'death camps' were in territory controlled by the Soviets.

 

[Imperial Citizen]

If you look at any photo they usually have a 5 digit numerical tattoo. This would by definition mean that the highest possible number would be 99999. A far cry from the lol 6 million. So you then see some digits with a letter thrown in and have to then define why they had to go with multiple serial number formats. This point is always handwaved away because people are retarded at math and the idea of tattooing someone is a touchy empathetic subject.

The tatooing was a mark of identification within the Auschwitz camp for those not immediately gassed. There was about 1.3 million in the camp with about 1.1 million killed in total. With 30 letters in the German alphabet, 99999 x 30 = 2,999,970. More than enough combinations to spare.

Too expensive and inefficient to kill Jews though. Especially during an armed conflict that killed millions of Russian soldiers (with bullets) and threw them all into mass graves that now litter all of Eastern Europe. Not for Jews though this logic doesn't apply.

You’re forgetting the psychological component. Be honest, do you think you could hear the cries of men, women, and children for hours, punctured by repeated gunfire? You think you could do it without being psychologically scarred?

 

[Bonesjones]

The tatooing was a mark of identification within the Auschwitz camp for those not immediately gassed.

Except the holocaust narrative is that they were immediately gassed. Look at you revising the story since you can't make it fit.

There was about 1.3 million in the camp with about 1.1 million killed in total. With 30 letters in the German alphabet, 99999 x 30 = 2,999,970. More than enough combinations to spare.

Except there were 4 million there until a holocaust denier proved they were lying. So again, why would you change your story if it's true?

You’re forgetting the psychological component. Be honest, do you think you could hear the cries of men, women, and children for hours, punctured by repeated gunfire? You think you could do it without being psychologically scarred?

I thought the nazis were so evil and horrendous they had no problem killing jews because they thought so little of them. You really can't keep your story straight.

Also someone has never seen cartel killing videos.

 

[mrt6732]

The current Holocaust narrative is actually called " Holocaust by bullets.," The academic affirmers have given up on the gas chambers and just talk about einsatsgruppen executions now.

I believe the einsatzgruppen numbers were three thousand men total. That's a small force to be killing a high number of people by bullets. Plus getting rid of the bodies, surely in a major war it would have been very difficult getting rid of them without leaving any traces left behind. The Soviets never even found anything even 1/4 the size of their Katyn mass killings, if they did they would still be blasting it in our faces to this day

 

[Imperial Citizen]

@Bonesjones I think you have me confused with someone else. Since you are an autistic, honorary Jew, I know that you can look through my messages in this thread and find that I have never said anything like you suggest.

I think you have my statements and academic research mixed up with an 8th grader’s knowledge of Holocaust and /pol/.

 

[Bonesjones]

I think you have my statements and academic research mixed up with an 8th grader’s knowledge of Holocaust and /pol/.

I think if you are going to say the holocaust happened, you have to make all the facts fit, the ones that are impossible to make fit most of all. So when holocaust researchers say 4 million people were killed in Auschwitz alone, that's the number I hold you to. Unless you are admitting they made the number up. If they made that number up, why wouldn't they make up 1.1 million?

You've started the basis of your argument on nothing and end it on nothing, while mine is based entirely on fact.

 

[Chugger]

The tatooing was a mark of identification within the Auschwitz camp for those not immediately gassed. There was about 1.3 million in the camp with about 1.1 million killed in total. With 30 letters in the German alphabet, 99999 x 30 = 2,999,970. More than enough combinations to spare.

Lol most prisoners, including non-Jews got tattoos at Auschwitz. The reason was to allow them to identify escapees. It had nothing to do with extermination and no one believes the Jews that got gassed on arrival were given tattoos first. That the deniers on this board accepted this so readily speaks to their high level of bias and lack of critical thinking about the subject. The notion that mainstream historians no longer believe in mass gassings and have "switched" to Holocaust exclusively by bullets, is also something also easily refuted with just a quick internet search.

 

[John.Doe]

The notion that mainstream historians no longer believe in mass gassings and have "switched" to Holocaust exclusively by bullets, is also something also easily refuted with just a quick internet search.

Yeah, the real scholars know that trained bears/eagles, masturbation machines, electrified floors, and lollercoasters did the bulk of the killing.