Fewer Young men are having sex, why? - And why the sex disparity?

Laws do not change free will. You still have the free will to break the law. Laws just add enforceable and clear consequences that you will have to consider if you choose to break them.
Sure, you could break the law. But you are using a fundamentally different standard of what constitutes "being forced". Many people would agree that by making something illegal, you force them not to do it. That is a very colloquial, common usage of that word/phrase.
What opportunities are you referring to aside from fucking around or having a career?
Why are the only opportunities that matter related to motherhood? Why shouldn't women value getting an education or having a career? Trying to argue that teenage pregnancy, or any unplanned pregnancy, isn't correlated with negative life outcomes is a fools errand.
As is not having sex if you don't want to get pregnant.
As is making a responsible decision to terminate an unplanned pregnancy instead of dropping out of high school or college because you were told that abortion was a satanic death ritual and you are afraid to go to hell.
 
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Do you know where I might be able to find this? Like if you saved it anywhere?

Something I've come more and more to think is that the ancient Greeks - really all ancient civilizations - were probably right about women. At a group level (I shouldn't have to specify that ever time on Kiwi Farms, right?) they have no moral core. They're very prosocial in the sense of trying to get along, and so they're not disruptive or anything, but they have an inherently weak sense of morality. The situation in the modern West, particularly the way abortion issues flared up around Roe v Wade, is what first got me brooding on it. That one play by Aristophanes is another. I just came to the conclusion that while there's nothing to be done about it, they never should have been given the right to vote and generally shouldn't be in positions of leadership at all, except in their own women's spaces.
Sadly, I think it was one of those posts/screenshots I saw on 4chan, so I don’t know where it is currently. It was pretty interesting however and will share if I can find anything.

Will also note that the writer of the initial study post did say that it wasn’t a hard study, just a little experiment he ran, but it was interesting and I wanted to share as relevant.
 
Why are the only opportunities that matter related to motherhood? Why shouldn't women value getting an education or having a career? Trying to argue that teenage pregnancy, or any unplanned pregnancy, isn't correlated with negative life outcomes is a fools errand.
I never said that, but the fact that you cannot name an opportunity that doesnt fall into the categories of formal education or being part of the workforce is telling. If those are the only other options I would certainly argue that motherhood is a far more fulfilling, noble, and useful pursuit in life.
As is making a responsible decision to terminate an unplanned pregnancy instead of dropping out of high school or college
So you value formal education over human life? Are other forms of education that are available to young mothers not valid? Furthermore are being pregnant/a young mother and formal education mutually exclusive? I could have sworn I knew girls in college who had kids...
because you were told that abortion was a satanic death ritual
Because it is.
and you are afraid to go to hell.
You should be, but that's not the only reason to avoid sin. Sin is bad for you, especially a serious one like murder. Sin damages you in ways that are often not immediately apparent.
 
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If those are the only other options I would certainly argue that motherhood is a far more fulfilling, noble, and useful pursuit in life.
If it were so gosh darn noble then people should get out of women's faces when they do anything with their uterus.

It's like you call a taxi, but rip out the brakes, the safety belt and the air bags of the taxi car you in no way own, then demand they take you to timbuktu for free, and wonder why the taxi guy took off and left you stranded.
 
I never said that, but the fact that you cannot name an opportunity that doesnt fall into the categories of formal education or being part of the workforce is telling. If those are the only other options I would certainly argue that motherhood is a far more fulfilling, noble, and useful pursuit in life.
So you value formal education over human life? Are other forms of education that are available to young mothers not valid? Furthermore are being pregnant/a young mother and formal education mutually exclusive? I could have sworn I knew girls in college who had kids...
There are other opportunities, but you seemed convinced that those are the only ones. That was implied, very heavily. Enumerating a list of all the opportunities they may not have because of it is besides the point. The point is that it has very serious consequences for their potential life outcomes. Even if it were only education or career pathways that were affected, it would be incredibly hard to live without those.

I think you are severely and purposefully understating the burdens of having an unwanted, unplanned pregnancy while in your teenage years. And you've decided to die on this hill, for some reason. Having a child takes a lot of time and money. How is a likely single mother going to afford rent? How is she going to work a full time job? How is she going to afford daycare? Where is she going to get the money to afford diapers, and formula? Sure, she could lean on her parents and family. Not everyone has parents who are in a financial position to support them in that way. And even if she does have that support framework, she will be utterly and completely dependent on others, in large part because she is severely disadvantaged in terms of being able to pursue an education. There may be women with kids in college. But you shouldn't use those cases to trivialize the actual circumstances they were placed in.

And don't respond with some nonsense about how if we lived in a proper, Christian society, then she wouldn't have to worry about that. We don't, and we won't. This is what I mean when I say you aren't offering serious suggestions. The total lack of appreciation you have for the seriousness of that situation makes your moral whinging seem childish.
Because it is.
I promise you, getting an abortion is not a satanic death ritual. And it isn't murder. You can claim it is, but it isn't.
 
The point is that it has very serious consequences for their potential life outcomes.
This summarized the bulk of your post and is easier to quote than the whole thing.

Its also something I completely agree with. Having a child when you are not adequately prepared for it has serious consequences. Where we disagree is that taking the life of that child is an acceptable alternative to facing those consequences, or that doing so doesnt have serious consequences itself. Additionally I would argue that the consequences in question can be traced back to the root cause of having sex with someone when you're not prepared for the possibility of pregnancy.

That is the main argument at hand after all. People who support abortion seem to think young single women are entitled to have sex as much as they want without having to face the consequences of doing so. Why? There is no virtue in promiscuity. Surely you would agree the momentary pleasure of loose sex is not worth the risk of facing the serious consequences we're discussing. We're not even talking about the myriad of consequences that premarital sex has outside of pregnancy, the bulk of which effect women more than men.

Now let's talk about supporting young mothers. Did you know that Planned Parenthood, the leading provider of child murder in America, receives almost 400 Million dollars a year in tax money? How many young mothers could that money support instead? A quick search says it costs about 300k to raise a child to the age of 18. For the sake of easy math lets say the rate is roughly flat per year. 300,000/18 = ~16.5k Lets round that up to 20k to account for a newborn and all the additional expenses. 400,000,000/20,000 = 20,000. Instead of funding planned parenthood we could support 20,000 newborns a year. Imagine if we not only educate teens and young women on the serious consequences of loose sex, thus reducing the number of them having it, and we also provide an instant 20k to any and all young single mothers. That would be a lot better than supporting child murder IMO.
getting an abortion is not a satanic death ritual
Whether you believe it or not it is, and such ritual sacrifices can be traced back through history. For example in Biblical times there was a popular false god called moloch. Those who worshipped moloch would construct statues in his likeness what functioned as giant furnaces, then mothers of newborn infants would throw their children into the fires of moloch in exchange for worldly power. The false gods of the old world were all just Satan in disguise, thus child sacrifice, especially when done by the mother of the child, is satanic in nature.

The root of this ritual is the inverse perversion of God's natural order. A mother is intended to love her child, to do anything for her child, even to suffer death for the sake of her child. For a mother to instead murder her child for her own sake is completely backwards. This is the kind of thing Satan craves and delights in. Sin and suffering.
And it isn't murder.
Intentioanly taking the life of another outside of justified warfare or self defense is the definition of murder.
 
That is the main argument at hand after all. People who support abortion seem to think young single women are entitled to have sex as much as they want without having to face the consequences of doing so. Why? There is no virtue in promiscuity. Surely you would agree the momentary pleasure of loose sex is not worth the risk of facing the serious consequences we're discussing. We're not even talking about the myriad of consequences that premarital sex has outside of pregnancy, the bulk of which effect women more than men.
They don't have to suffer those consequences. You're the one who wants to force them to face those consequences. They are entirely avoidable, and not just by abstinence. Promiscuity is not the only reason someone might get an abortion. There are many women who have an abortion despite only having a few sexual partners. The narrative that every woman who gets an abortion is a "slut" is completely insane, inaccurate, and destructive.
Now let's talk about supporting young mothers. Did you know that Planned Parenthood, the leading provider of child murder in America, receives almost 400 Million dollars a year in tax money? How many young mothers could that money support instead? A quick search says it costs about 300k to raise a child to the age of 18. For the sake of easy math lets say the rate is roughly flat per year. 300,000/18 = ~16.5k Lets round that up to 20k to account for a newborn and all the additional expenses. 400,000,000/20,000 = 20,000. Instead of funding planned parenthood we could support 20,000 newborns a year. Imagine if we not only educate teens and young women on the serious consequences of loose sex, thus reducing the number of them having it, and we also provide an instant 20k to any and all young single mothers. That would be a lot better than supporting child murder IMO.
In 2015, of the 390 million dollars in reimbursements from medicaid/medicare, only around 3% was used for abortion services in that year. The vast majority of services offered by planned parenthood have to do with STD testing, contraceptives, and other services that are in many cases medically necessary. These are important medical services. I know many women who have gone to Planned Parenthood, and almost none of them went for an abortion.

As I have laid out before, this is also simply subsidizing poverty. If you give every mother 20,000 a year for childcare, you will just see a rise in the cost of childcare, as well as shifting the tax burden onto the middle class. Just because socialism is dressed up in christfaggery, does not mean it suddenly stops being a terrible idea.

I don't think you are terribly dissimilar from progressive liberals and leftists. There is a comparable disconnect from reality. You are totally led on by your own self-righteous bible-thumping.
Whether you believe it or not it is, and such ritual sacrifices can be traced back through history. For example in Biblical times there was a popular false god called moloch. Those who worshipped moloch would construct statues in his likeness what functioned as giant furnaces, then mothers of newborn infants would throw their children into the fires of moloch in exchange for worldly power. The false gods of the old world were all just Satan in disguise, thus child sacrifice, especially when done by the mother of the child, is satanic in nature.

The root of this ritual is the inverse perversion of God's natural order. A mother is intended to love her child, to do anything for her child, even to suffer death for the sake of her child. For a mother to instead murder her child for her own sake is completely backwards. This is the kind of thing Satan craves and delights in. Sin and suffering.
There are many different religious accounts for the purpose and means of abortion and/or infanticide. For instance, to describe the history of Chinese or Hindu practices of abortion and/or infanticide as "satanic" seems bizarre.

In many instances, the practice of infanticide was used as a means of removing infants with notable deformities.
Intentioanly taking the life of another outside of justified warfare or self defense is the definition of murder.
Murder is unjustified killing. It has a legal definition under 18 U.S. Code § 1111, and until such time as abortion is legally understood to be the unlawful taking of a life, it is under no circumstances murder. That is the law of the land. I suggest you respect it.
 
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There are many women who have an abortion despite only having a few sexual partners. The narrative that every woman who gets an abortion is a "slut" is completely insane, inaccurate, and destructive.
>a few sexual partners

That sounds like more than just one husband and is thus too many. Promiscuity takes many forms, being a slut, as you put it, is one of the more extreme ones but it is not the only one and all of them are morally wrong.
The vast majority of services offered by planned parenthood have to do with STD testing, contraceptives
These are also measures to reduce the consequences of promiscuity. Contraceptives are wrong, and if people didn't go around fucking other people they barely know then there wouldn't be so many STDs that we need a dedicated service to test for them. For the medically necessary procedures we have hospitals.
I know many women who have gone to Planned Parenthood, and almost none of them went for an abortion.
How many of those women would not have had to go at all if they did not have sex outside of marriage? Answer honestly.
Just because socialism is dressed up in christfaggery, does not mean it suddenly stops being a terrible idea.
We already deal with socialistic elements here. My tax dollars are funding child murder, among other things I am morally opposed to, and I have no recourse to prevent it. So why is it wrong for me to advocate for this system to be used for things I support instead? By saying its okay for tax dollars to go to planned parenthood, but its wrong for tax dollars to support young mothers, you're just being a hypocrite with no moral compass and that is far more in line with progressive liberal leftism than anything else here.
There are many different religious accounts for the purpose and means of abortion and/or infanticide. For instance, to describe the history of Chinese or Hindu practice of abortion and/or infanticide as "satanic" seems bizarre.
Well they are. Worship of false gods is always satanic in nature because its just satan in disguise leading people away from Christ. There are some elements of Chinese Taoist philosophy that could be argued as a pre-Christ culture's attempt to understand God, but even then it ends up twisted by satanic influence, and Hinduism is definitely satanic, the results speak for themselves. Seriously, look at India. All of the decent Indian people I know have rejected Hinduism and embraced Christ, and the least awful parts of India have the highest percentage of Christians.
In many instances, the practice of infanticide was used as a means of removing infants with notable deformities.
So deformed children don't deserve life?
That is the law of the land. I suggest you respect it.
The laws of God are greater than the laws of man, and nothing I'm doing or advocating for is illegal. I want to make the laws of man closer to the laws of God by legal means.
 
I think it's a combination of things. But mainly boomers.

Boomers have ruined everything and keep taking away freedoms from youth. Now the youth is coddled caged and cucked.
 
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>a few sexual partners

That sounds like more than just one husband and is thus too many. Promiscuity takes many forms, being a slut, as you put it, is one of the more extreme ones but it is not the only one and all of them are morally wrong.
So what about married couples that go for abortion? Ones that already have had kids?

Unless you're vouching for dead bedroom marriages or tying tubes, which I'm all for, but most people aren't.

How many of those women would not have had to go at all if they did not have sex outside of marriage? Answer honestly.
How many of those women would not have to go at all if they didn't even get married? How many abortions happen because the partner became abusive? Or like before, already had kids?



So deformed children don't deserve life?
What if their life is worse than death? What if they're in for nothing but pain for two years and die?

Maybe abortion is protecting the kid. Not all life is desirable.
 
Allow me to further derail this thread with more abortion posts.

Under the Unborn Victims of Violence Act (2004), a person who injures or kills a fetus during the commission of a federal crime can be charged with a separate offense. This law applies even if the perpetrator did not know the woman was pregnant.
 
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So what about married couples that go for abortion? Ones that already have had kids?
Still wrong. The fact that they already have kids changes nothing. Abortion is never justified.
Unless you're vouching for dead bedroom marriages or tying tubes, which I'm all for, but most people aren't.
I am not.
How many of those women would not have to go at all if they didn't even get married? How many abortions happen because the partner became abusive? Or like before, already had kids?
Your attempts to paint a false equivalency are as blatant as they are stupid.
What if their life is worse than death?
That's not any of us to decide.
 
It always fucking boils down to the abortion debate, doesn't it?
lul
yea, which is just another way to pull the wagon back into the wheelhouse of "whamen most affected"

Society is collapsing and gender relationships have been torpedoed. Men are basically jobless cattle that have no way to move through the various life phases other than join the military to die for youknowho, and if they survive they can come back and find the promised job was given to an immigrant that was shipped in by youknowho, and if he manages to find a job, half his pay is taxed by youknowwho. And any female options for him to consider are all single mothers or whores that started their cock carousel riding from the ripe age of 12.

But muh abortion.
 
IMO drug traffickers are the scum of the earth and deserve imprisonment if not firing squad and I'm not all that fond of drug addicts either.
The overwhelming majority of prisoners for drug offenses are consumers and not traffickers


There remains health reasons for abortion to be required.
98.5% of abortions are not out of medical necessity.

"I may be a drug trafficker, but that's okay, because some desperate lady got an abortion. I'm totes better than someone like her!"
"I may sell poison to make money willfully ignoring the damage it does, but at least I don't kill my own children for free and go on an endless crusade to lionize my filicide as virtue for my gender " does sound like the lesser of two evils tbh.
 
Still wrong. The fact that they already have kids changes nothing. Abortion is never justified.

Pick a lane. Either prevent abortions by stopping sex including within marriage or go ahead with sex and deal with abortion

Your attempts to paint a false equivalency are as blatant as they are stupid
I asked a question.


That's not any of us to decide.
pro-lifers have already decided and caused a world of misery maybe it's time to review their decisions?

98.5% of abortions are not out of medical necessity.
12% are actually

"I may sell poison to make money willfully ignoring the damage it does, but at least I don't kill my own children for free and go on an endless crusade to lionize my filicide as virtue for my gender " does sound like the lesser of two evils tbh.
and how many pregnancies have been at risk from drug users, hmmmn?

Mercy deaths seem a lot more reasonable to me.
 
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Pick a lane. Either prevent abortions by stopping sex including within marriage or go ahead with sex and deal with abortion
The correct answer is to have more kids. If you're married and you get pregnant its a blessing not a curse. God wants you to have more kids so have more kids.
I asked a question.
As did I.
pro-lifers have already decided and caused a world of misery maybe it's time to review their decisions?
Again, you're just being stupid and argumentative. Pro-life values are not the cause of misery, sin is. Stop being retarded.
 
Mercy deaths seem a lot more reasonable to me.
You're right, the 1.5% were the rape and incest exception, not the fetal health exception.
You're obviously wrong regarding mercy killings. It's rooted in the perspective of someone that cannot imagine any fate worse than the inability to consoom. If we have the right to kill people to spare them their own miserable existences because "we know better", then I'd spend my free time blowing away left lane campers.
 
The correct answer is to have more kids. If you're married and you get pregnant its a blessing not a curse. God wants you to have more kids so have more kids.
You are living in a time of global depression and a cost of living crisis. Kids are a blessing, but contraception is sadly necessary if you don't want to collapse your family finances. You don't know this because you don't have a family.

Still, I can assure you that plenty of people will be happy if the tax cattle starts to rapidly reproduce again, skyrockets the price of real estate, and kills any hope for future wage increases. Go forth and procreate.
 
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