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[StarkRavingMad]

For anyone looking for more info on what the fuck an mRNA ""vaccine"" is, and how it's nothing like a real vaccine, and how it fucks you up, and there's no way around it, Bret Weinstein has a great, newbie friendly explanation:
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I will never, ever forget the chaos, hatred, and division that was fueled by these "vaccines." I am still living through the aftermath of it in my personal life because I refused to take it.

btw, I don't regret not getting jabbed at all. I do, however, know about a dozen people who regret getting the jabs.

Also, they are totally using the mRNA technology on the annual flu shots (if they aren't already). I refuse to get the flu shot, too.

 

[Particle Bored]

My point being that he's not currently doing anything wrong besides supporting bad shit effectively, and that's kind of a mirror to Elon

Elon's barely a neophyte in this regard, throwing some cash bombs around, dabbling in PACs. Soros has been doing it for decades and has huge organizations under his control specifically dedicated to manipulating policy and politicians across the western world to the detriment of their constituents.

And I wouldnt personally consider funding commies to wreck a country for my own domineering financial gain to be "not doing anything wrong." But that's just, like, my opinion, man.

 

[Focken Kiwi]

Forgive the doublepost, but I just saw this and can't add a quote via edit:

It wouldn't be my preference, but if my choice is to be ruled by Caesar Trump and his MAGA successors for the rest of my life or an unelected group of advisors, experts, and leftist academics taking away my free speech, right to free movement, right to assemble, my car, my ability to fly on a plane, my choice of energy for my home, and forcing me to live in a pod and eat bugs to serve the .1% and a bunch of megacorps, well...Hail Trump.

I just want a party that loves its country and is beloved by its people. The Democrats 'ain't it.' It would be far more ideal if the Republicans wielded their power and began passing policies that overwhelmingly benefits Americans in a way that shows election after election just how unpopular the other alternative is. I don't want force to break my political opponents will. I want results and numbers that breaks their spirits.

 

[Anasûrimbor Kellhus]

I will never, ever forget the chaos, hatred, and division that was fueled by these "vaccines." I am still living through the aftermath of it in my personal life because I refused to take it.

and the people who did it will be the same ones to cry about trump's alleged authoritarianism. I have a printed out chart at my desk I keep at work for any coworkers who want to cry to me about trump to remind them that half of them wanted kids taken away, camps set up, etc for people who did not take their mystery juice.

 

[Rick's Beef Wellington]

At the end of the day, you admit you want a king as an American citizen.

Look, if King Charles comes here legally and goes through the process we'd be happy to have him.

 

[StarkRavingMad]

and the people who did it will be the same ones to cry about trump's alleged authoritarianism. I have a printed out chart at my desk I keep at work for any coworkers who want to cry to me about trump to remind them that half of them wanted kids taken away, camps set up, etc for people who did not take their mystery juice.

100%

All of the fat cows crying about abortion and the Handmaiden's Tale (or whatever the fuck it's called), are the same fat cows who wanted people to be placed in literal camps or be placed on permanent house arrest over the covid jabs. They actively supported the idea of someone like me, who was pregnant during the height of the "Winter of Death" hysteria in 2021-2022, to be denied proper care because I did not want to get the shot (especially while pregnant).

"My body my choice" is an outdated argument from these shrill hamplanets post-covid, as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

btw, I don't regret not getting jabbed at all. I do, however, know about a dozen people who regret getting the jabs.

I refused to get the fucking thing and, at first, my family was on my case about it. My dad called me multiple times to try and bribe me to get it. Now, my sister - who told me "just get the fucking thing" at first - has told me she wishes she never got it because of all the potential long-term issues the public is slowly finding out about. One of her co-workers was hospitalized after getting the shot.

The issue was less the mRNA technology. It's actually a really cool and novel technology, if you're into this biotech/biopharma space like I am. The issue with the vaccines is that they never had a Phase 3 clinical trial. They only tested for dosage and basic safety - and, even then, those trials were small, rushed, and did not follow clinical trial standards.

It was also political. The Democrats whipped up everyone into a fucking frenzy about the coof and could not put that genie back in the bottle. No one was going to believe the government if they came out and said "um, ackshully, it's a bad flu, everything is fine." Not after saying everyone who refused to wear a hazmat suit in Market Basket was killing your grandma.

 

[LurkTrawl]

This belies important concepts; what are the interests of the people, and what are the people?

The people in that post representing the common collective of the american citizenry. A vague concept that really I'd have to sit and think about for a bit to put into words what I mean distinctly. The best attempt off the cuff to explain it is the same sense that the constitution speaks of, with the royal We. Representing also the financial interests specifically of the american people as our government is less fiscally responsible than Bossmanjack.

What about the parts of the government that are important, but that the American public do not pay attention to because it does not affect their daily lives? International foreign aid to a country like Kazakstan serves as a bulwark against similar influence that China and Russia exerts on the country. A local community in a distant US state may benefit from a research or arts grant that some would view as wasteful spending. Whose interests matter in that instance?

Imagine a series of concentric circles with a dot in the center that represents you. The next one out the family, then your neighborhood, then your city/municipality, so on and so forth outward. Representing your rough proximity to each concept and its associated power structure.

This is the simple model of how common sense ingroup/outgroup prioritization works. I would say that for the U.S. government, its priority should be the citizenry. The correct answer to the question of whether or not foreign aid to Kazakstan should be considered of import to the average american pretty readily reveals itself using this model.

My point is that I am skeptical of claims that one side represents the people (not calling you out, @LurkTrawl just using your post as means to discuss the issue) because the American people have vast, varied, and often conflicting interests.

It's actually something I should spend more time thinking about, as while I get what I mean saying it I easily forget that words much like colors are perceived slightly differently by everybody. I'll have a better composition of my thoughts on it when the topic comes up again, I think. I actually like questions like these.

 

[StarkRavingMad]

I refused to get the fucking thing and, at first, my family was on my case about it. My dad called me multiple times to try and bribe me to get it. Now, my sister - who told me "just get the fucking thing" at first - has told me she wishes she never got it because of all the potential long-term issues the public is slowly finding out about. One of her co-workers was hospitalized after getting the shot.

The issue was less the mRNA technology. It's actually a really cool and novel technology, if you're into this biotech/biopharma space like I am. The issue with the vaccines is that they never had a Phase 3 clinical trial. They only tested for dosage and basic safety - and, even then, those trials were small, rushed, and did not follow clinical trial standards.

It was also political. The Democrats whipped up everyone into a fucking frenzy about the coof and could not put that genie back in the bottle. No one was going to believe the government if they came out and said "um, ackshully, it's a bad flu, everything is fine." Not after saying everyone who refused to wear a hazmat suit in Market Basket was killing your grandma.

Oh, there's a reason why covid wasn't even part of the discussion during this election cycle. Isn't it funny how neither side addressed it? I think it's funny.

You just know that the Democrats wished that they could have used Operation Warp Speed and the general covid response against Trump, but their response was exponentially worse and it's irrefutable. Warp Speed may have been Trump's doing, but the mandates were the Democrats' doing.

And, on the other side of the political spectrum, Trump also knew better than to tout Operation Warp Speed after a certain point. He did for a little while at the very beginning of his campaign in 2022, but he zipped his lips on that fast when he saw that his voter base did not take kindly to it.

As an enthusiastic Trump supporter, I have zero qualms criticizing the man when he does something that I don't like. Operation Warp Speed was Trump's biggest mistake of his first term, and I knew it the very second it was announced in April of 2020. My immediate response to the announcement was "Aw HELL naw, I'm not taking any experimental vaccines!"

Always question your government, even when the people who you voted for and support are in charge. Always.

Btw, I am not an anti-vaxxer. I literally even got the tDAP vaccine earlier this week. I'm just not a pill popper or a jab taker just because they're there.

I used to make fun of anti-vaxxers back in the day like a toolbag ... Then covid happened, and I do not make fun of them anymore. Their concerns have been fully vindicated, and it's their fucking choice what they put inside their bodies.

 

[Anasûrimbor Kellhus]

As an enthusiastic Trump supporter, I have zero qualms criticizing the man when he does something that I don't like. Operation Warp Speed was Trump's biggest mistake of his first term, and I knew it the very second it was announced in April of 2020. My immediate response to the announcement was "Aw HELL naw, I'm not taking any experimental vaccines!"

I like trump but he's not perfect. Unlike obama cultists I am perfectly fine calling him out where he fucked up. He fucked up with staff appointments in his first term, which he regrets and is trying to do better. He fucked up with warp speed and not forcing fauci to eat a bullet on live television.

 

[Space Faring Marsupial]

100%

All of the fat cows crying about abortion and the Handmaiden's Tale (or whatever the fuck it's called), are the same fat cows who wanted people to be placed in literal camps or be placed on permanent house arrest over the covid jabs. They actively supported the idea of someone like me, who was pregnant during the height of the "Winter of Death" hysteria in 2021-2022, to be denied proper care because I did not want to get the shot (especially while pregnant).

"My body my choice" is an outdated argument from these shrill hamplanets post-covid, as far as I'm concerned.

Yeah the only stance that makes sense is pro choice and anti vaccine mandates. I'm sure most people would agree.

 

[The Nothingness]

"RFK Jr. wants to ban vaccines and take us back to pre-industrial days!" from the people who want to ban electricity and take us back to feudalism days where the masses vill eat ze bugs.

 

[Chuckwagon]

Genuine question for Americans who voted for Trump- Would you care that America became a (republican lead) dictatorship? Not trying to fear-monger, genuine question.

Okay, maybe not a full-on autocratic dictatorship, but hear me out - how about a Japanese LDP-esque dominant-party system? With Republicans as the dominant party holding all important offices, most state governments, strong or even veto-proof majorities in both houses of Congress, etc. for decades on end of course, but elections are still held regularly and the Democrats (or a replacement if they've gone the way of the Whigs) still existing as an opposition party; albeit one which is cucked out of any real power until & unless the GOP fucks up royally (at which point a change in government can still happen and they can actually finally get back into high office, just as the Japanese opposition to the LDP have done in the past, most recently in 2009). By maintaining the republican form of government such a dominant-party system would also avoid needlessly upsetting American traditions, the way a full on dictator/emperor would.

Worth noting that this state of affairs has already kind of existed in the USA before, in the ~70 years between the Civil War and the Great Depression/FDR there were only two Democratic presidents (Grover Cleveland and then Woodrow Wilson), and despite all the trouble the grip of modernity brought (industrialization and its various social effects, such as labor violence...), it was generally a time of great ascendancy for the post-ACW America.

Besides, based on how terrible they've been throughout just the 20th and 21st centuries up to now, I think a 40-year timeout for the Dems (approximating to the 1955-1993 period of LDP dominance in Japan) would do the country and them both good. That ought to at least be sufficient time for them to purge anything and anyone affiliated with wokism & its thousand faces (troon/alphabet worship, nigger worship, NEET worship and infinite welfare advocacy, Aztlan/replacement migration advocacy, Marxism, etc.), which in recent days has already demonstrated itself still strong enough to fuck with elected Congressmen and force the resignation of state party chairmen trying to correct course.

 

[Sekirodiealot]

Do you have any idea how hard it was to find a pic of Elon that looked vaguely threatening instead of autistically gleeful?

Very hard cause I can't picture him being intimidating. He seems like a chill dude to be around.

 

[Space Faring Marsupial]

"RFK Jr. wants to ban vaccines and take us back to pre-industrial days!" from the people who want to ban electricity and take us back to feudalism days where the masses vill eat ze bugs.

I don't think they ate ze bugs even.

Anywho anyone know if the tetanus shot is still safe because I got one when I did a little oppsie in the garden with a knife. I am a bit skeptical of vaccines nowadays.

 

[John.Doe]

As an enthusiastic Trump supporter, I have zero qualms criticizing the man when he does something that I don't like. Operation Warp Speed was Trump's biggest mistake of his first term, and I knew it the very second it was announced in April of 2020. My immediate response to the announcement was "Aw HELL naw, I'm not taking any experimental vaccines!"

I didn't have as much of an issue with Trump greasing the skids to get something out the door, as Trump only wanted it to be available as an option among many other treatments. His intent was always to let people pick and choose how they wanted to handle their healthcare. The problem was Big Pharma and the Uniparty/Democrats working hand in glove to not only lie about them, but then mandate vaccines while making all alternatives verboten.

While I can fault Trump for a failure to foresee or handle the (in hindsight) obvious incoming betrayal, I place the blame squarely on other shoulders.

 

[Pendulous Dong]

Anyone considering for even a moment that Joe Biden was just pretending to be senile is forgetting the first three years of his presidency where he literally had to be hidden from public view, or Robert Hur realizing that Biden was so far gone mentally that no jury would convict him. He wasn't pretending to be senile and stopped now that the election is over, they just figured out the right cocktail of drugs to keep him functional and make sure not to have any events after 4pm.

 

[General Disarray]

I’ve always hated Dora. Good. Get that LITTLE SHIT out of here.

If she needs an escort I am sure Carmen Sandiego can help, if only we could find her...

referred to trannies as "troons".

Is that on an episode of Dark Horse? I'd love to see it.

Also I was watching some youtube sponsor that's dishwasher and laundry tabs without the coating. I always assumed that the dissolvable coating on my pods was some super-gelatinous substance that wasn't plastic but I never really gave it much thought. I will definitely have to look into my options a little further now. I am big on getting as much shit out of the water supply as possible and that includes through peoples' urine (ex. hormones and all the fucking drugs they're pumping everyone up with nowadays!)

 

[Anasûrimbor Kellhus]

Anywho anyone know if the tetanus shot is still safe because I got one when I did a little oppsie in the garden with a knife. I am a bit skeptical of vaccines nowadays.

I know someone who was basically turned into a skeleton man and unable to get out of bed for like a year after a recent tetnus shot. He's only just now recovering and able to spend time with our friend group again. Turned me off the whole thing since. That said this is just hearsay and one guy I know so perhaps @Otterly can give you a better answer.

 

[StarkRavingMad]

Yeah the only stance that makes sense is pro choice and anti vaccine mandates. I'm sure most people would agree.

Personally, I am anti-abortion because I view it as literal murder and depriving a living human from their constitutional right to life. That said, I disagree with the approach that some Republicans want to take with it like a national ban at this point in time. Enough minds and hearts need to be changed before such a measure is taken, in my opinion.

Choosing what to do with your own body and what you put in it is the very definition of "my body, my choice," however.

I think it is entirely hypocritical to be pro-abortion and pro-vaccine mandates. Kind of like how I think it's lunacy how the left is pro-abortion and anti-death penalty.