The Holocaust Thread - The Great Debate Between Affirmers, Revisionists and Deniers

Bonesjones said:
I think if you are going to say the holocaust happened, you have to make all the facts fit, the ones that are impossible to make fit most of all. So when holocaust researchers say 4 million people were killed in Auschwitz alone, that's the number I hold you to. Unless you are admitting they made the number up. If they made that number up, why wouldn't they make up 1.1 million?

You've started the basis of your argument on nothing and end it on nothing, while mine is based entirely on fact.
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I agree that the 4 million number was made up. The website for the Auschwitz Museum even agrees.

That figure, which originated with the findings of the Soviet commission investigating Nazi crimes, was based on accounts by former prisoners, fragmentary records, and crime-scene investigation at the site.
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It wasn’t until the 1980s and 1990s that the number was revised. That number I can believe because it was found through analysis of documents of the number of people deported to Auschwitz. Much better and more accurate records for finding the number of people who went to the camp than testimony and a check of the camp.
 
John.Doe said:
You seem credulous enough to believe anything, no matter how stupid, as long as it support the Holohoax narrative so yes.
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These things don't support the narrative. Even your insults make no sense.

Imperial Citizen said:
It wasn’t until the 1980s and 1990s that the number was revised.
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The evidence always suggested the number was much lower, and the earliest Holocaust historians in the 50s and 60s judged it to be around 1 million.
 
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Chugger said:
Lol most prisoners, including non-Jews got tattoos at Auschwitz. The reason was to allow them to identify escapees. It had nothing to do with extermination and no one believes the Jews that got gassed on arrival were given tattoos first. That the deniers on this board accepted this so readily speaks to their high level of bias and lack of critical thinking about the subject. The notion that mainstream historians no longer believe in mass gassings and have "switched" to Holocaust exclusively by bullets, is also something also easily refuted with just a quick internet search.
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If this was the case you could tattoo mark someone with anything. Some simple circle or shape would work for this purpose. As this would be akin to cattle branding in function. Hell, a small real brand would have taken less time. You wouldn't need to bother with a serial number system. Which by definition would mean a process of number generation and tracking which numbers were already used. This would require a lot of paperwork. Do we have any of that? Why do the survivors only have low numbers? If there were anywhere near 6 million dead Jews the survivors would logically be those on the tail end of the war. With the latest serial numbers, not the earliest. Most of the tattoos you see in media were 5 digits with no letters. Just numbers. These would logically have been the very earliest victims in the narrative. Based on the evidence provided by the Jews themselves.

Nevermind that there were millions of Russian POWs throughout the East. Many at lolWitz as you bring up time and time again. None of these guys were tattooed. Why was escaping only a problem with Jews?
 
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TJT said:
If this was the case you could tattoo mark someone with anything. Some simple circle or shape would work for this purpose. As this would be akin to cattle branding in function. Hell, a small real brand would have taken less time. You wouldn't need to bother with a serial number system. Which by definition would mean a process of number generation and tracking which numbers were already used. This would require a lot of paperwork. Do we have any of that? Why do the survivors only have low numbers? If there were anywhere near 6 million dead Jews the survivors would logically be those on the tail end of the war. With the latest serial numbers, not the earliest. Most of the tattoos you see in media were 5 digits with no letters. Just numbers. These would logically have been the very earliest victims in the narrative. Based on the evidence provided by the Jews themselves.

Nevermind that there were millions of Russian POWs throughout the East. Many at lolWitz as you bring up time and time again. None of these guys were tattooed. Why was escaping only a problem with Jews?
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From where comes your impression that only Jews were tattooed? Why do you believe historians think every Jew got a tattoo? Why would the Nazis have given Jews they had no plans employing tattoos? Etc etc https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/cont...-system-of-identifying-prisoners-at-auschwitz

This is a good example of how you guys will look at something you don't understand (because you won't take 5 minutes to research it) , make up stories in your head about the facts on the ground or what people believe, and conclude we can only be in the presence of a conspritorial lie.
 
Chugger said:
From where comes your impression that only Jews were tattooed? Why do you believe historians think every Jew got a tattoo? Why would the Nazis have given Jews they had no plans employing tattoos? Etc etc https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/cont...-system-of-identifying-prisoners-at-auschwitz

This is a good example of how you guys will look at something you don't understand (because you won't take 5 minutes to research it) , make up stories in your head about the facts on the ground or what people believe, and conclude we can only be in the presence of a conspritorial lie.
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This is the usual tactic. Find a minority of non-Jews or other Jews that weren't tattooed then use this as a blanket statement to deflect the rest of it. Why do you do this?

When did I say 100% of anyone was tattooed? Oh wait I never did. You also ignore that Russian POWs and American POWs were put to work in the camps as well. None of which were ever tattooed. So I ask you again. Why did only Jews really need this to be employed?
 
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TJT said:
You also ignore that Russian POWs and American POWs were put to work in the camps as well. None of which were ever tattooed. So I ask you again. Why did only Jews really need this to be employed?
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Literally the first prisoners that got tattoos were Soviet pows. Read.
 
Chugger said:
Literally the first prisoners that got tattoos were Soviet pows. Read.
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This is again an extreme minority compared to the overwhelming majority of POWs that never received this. The entire system you are arguing effected and was supposedly designed explicitly for the Jewish Problem. This is again you being a total faggot and using a minority as a blanket way to deflect. It's a common trick and I will not be listening to it.

Feel free to double down though. I know you will.

Let us examine the source you provided though. This will change the minds of many I am sure:

The first prisoners to be tattooed were Soviet prisoners of war who were brought to Auschwitz, beginning in October 1941, for forced labor. The following month, the SS made the decision to tattoo these prisoners. Because of mistreatment, starvation, and disease, almost all these 10,000 Soviet prisoners died within months of arrival.
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How convenient. 100% of the Soviets that were tattooed died and thus no evidence of this happening exists. Shame.

In spring 1942, the SS began systematically tattooing all incoming Jewish prisoners. This form of identification also was applied to very ill prisoners, predominantly Poles, who had been transferred from the camp hospital at Auschwitz I to the newly constructed camp at Birkenau (Auschwitz II). In early 1943, the practice of tattooing prisoners at the Auschwitz camp complex expanded. Following the escape of a female Polish prisoner in February, the Camp Commandant’s Office decided that all incoming prisoners would henceforth be tattooed on the lower left arm. Prisoners who had already been registered in the camp complex also were tattooed.
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Ah yes, another small anecdote as why anal retentive Germans placed serial numbering tattoos for identification and employment in different locations on different people. Rather than marking everyone in the same spot so it could be quickly ascertained. This does not make sense. As you would then need to believe that those same Germans simply tattooed prisoners wherever prior to this because lol or some other stupid reason.

Certain categories of prisoners, however, were exempt from the tattooing process. It did not apply to German prisoners, ethnic German inmates, police prisoners, or “labor-education prisoners.” The latter group was composed of non-Jewish persons from various nationalities, but primarily Germans, Czechs, Poles, and Soviet civilians, who had been imprisoned for failing to adhere to the harsh discipline imposed on civilian laborers in German-occupied areas. Such inmates, in theory, were to be detained for up to 56 days and forced to work no less than 10 hours a day to “re-educate” them. In addition, Polish civilians deported to Auschwitz after the Warsaw Uprising in 1944 were not tattooed. Some Jewish prisoners who were held in transit to other camps did not have to undergo this procedure.
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In your same source the former prisoner Miso Vogel was tattooed at the camp for employment in 1942. He was working as forced manual labor. The same kind of POW work that tens of thousands of American and Russians were also doing. Why did Jews need to be tattooed for employment in forced manual labor? What made them special for this work? Why were other prisoners also forced to do manual labor not tattooed?

You started this conversation by saying that the tattoos were for escapee identification. Then switched to this. Why?
 
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TJT said:
This is again an extreme minority compared to the overwhelming majority of POWs that never received this. The entire system you are arguing effected and was supposedly designed explicitly for the Jewish Problem. This is again you being a total faggot and using a minority as a blanket way to deflect. It's a common trick and I will not be listening to it.

Feel free to double down though. I know you will.
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"In early 1943, the practice of tattooing prisoners at the Auschwitz camp complex expanded. Following the escape of a female Polish prisoner in February, the Camp Commandant’s Office decided that all incoming prisoners would henceforth be tattooed on the lower left arm. Prisoners who had already been registered in the camp complex also were tattooed."
 
Chugger said:
"In early 1943, the practice of tattooing prisoners at the Auschwitz camp complex expanded. Following the escape of a female Polish prisoner in February, the Camp Commandant’s Office decided that all incoming prisoners would henceforth be tattooed on the lower left arm. Prisoners who had already been registered in the camp complex also were tattooed."
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That same source:
Certain categories of prisoners, however, were exempt from the tattooing process. It did not apply to German prisoners, ethnic German inmates, police prisoners, or “labor-education prisoners.” The latter group was composed of non-Jewish persons from various nationalities, but primarily Germans, Czechs, Poles, and Soviet civilians, who had been imprisoned for failing to adhere to the harsh discipline imposed on civilian laborers in German-occupied areas. Such inmates, in theory, were to be detained for up to 56 days and forced to work no less than 10 hours a day to “re-educate” them. In addition, Polish civilians deported to Auschwitz after the Warsaw Uprising in 1944 were not tattooed. Some Jewish prisoners who were held in transit to other camps did not have to undergo this procedure.
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Which is it? They were all tattooed or were there exemptions? The exemptions were IN THE NEXT PARAGRAPH RETARD. So ALL OF WHOM were tattooed?

It pains me to breath the same air as someone like you.
 
TJT said:
That same source:


Which is it? They were all tattooed or were there exemptions? The exemptions were IN THE NEXT PARAGRAPH RETARD. So ALL OF WHOM were tattooed?

It pains me to breath the same air as someone like you.
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Temporary prisoners and Germans weren't tattooed, there's your distinction.
 
TJT said:
Which is it? They were all tattooed or were there exemptions? The exemptions were IN THE NEXT PARAGRAPH RETARD. So ALL OF WHOM were tattooed?
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The paragraph does state that the majority of exempt inmates were supposed to be there temporarily or in transit. No sense to tattoo temporary inmates.

The only outliers are the Polish civilians sent there after the Warsaw Uprising. Though I assume this was due to needing a place to send them because the Soviets were marching through Poland.
 
Chugger said:
🤡 "Tattoos are proof that Jews were genocided as part of a centralized plan, ordered by the Fuhrer! Except the ones that weren't. And also the ones that were, but weren't Jews. Or the ones that weren't, but were Jews. Anyway, it all proves the Holocaust!"
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Seeing you selectively quote passages from a document that contradicts your point half a paragraph later is pretty amusing, though. Have you considered clowning as a full time job, or is the IDF pay plan too good to switch?
 
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