Plagued Lolicon/Shotacon Defense Force - The people who jerk off to cartoon children and won't ever shut up about it

[Pine Tar]

Either way, it sure isn’t helping their case against the argument of “If you’re a dude and jack off to women, you’re straight. If you’re a dude who jacks off to dudes, you’re a butt pirate and a dude who jacks off to pictures of children is a pedophile”

 

[Kari Kamiya]

So who gives a fuck that a teenage girl likes to ship Midoriya and Bakugo and dislikes it when adults sexualise a child/teen character? That's not hypocritical. Those characters are still around her own age.

Can't remember if it was mentioned here or elsewhere on the Farms (maybe the PreciousLeaf thread), supposedly a driving factor for why some folks are lolicons without (maybe) stepping over the line of being a pedophile is that their favorite underaged characters were favorites from back when they were kids. But when they hit puberty and grew up, they still never forgot that first crush and fixate on it for sentimental reasons or other arrested development. Most of them do want the character to age up with them, though, so I think it depends on the person as to where it just stopped and went wrong for them.

 

[FuluFuckwit]

Can't remember if it was mentioned here or elsewhere on the Farms (maybe the PreciousLeaf thread), supposedly a driving factor for why some folks are lolicons without (maybe) stepping over the line of being a pedophile is that their favorite underaged characters were favorites from back when they were kids. But when they hit puberty and grew up, they still never forgot that first crush and fixate on it for sentimental reasons or other arrested development. Most of them do want the character to age up with them, though, so I think it depends on the person as to where it just stopped and went wrong for them.

I hate to break it to you, but if they're jerking it to cartoon kids, they're already pedophiles. Now, as far to as why they don't step over the line into being child molesters, it's probably cause of several different sorts of issues.

(Remember, if a person is homosexual/bisexual for jerking it to gay hentai, then they are very much pedophiles if they jerk it to hentai of kids)

 

[wholesandwich]

Can't remember if it was mentioned here or elsewhere on the Farms (maybe the PreciousLeaf thread), supposedly a driving factor for why some folks are lolicons without (maybe) stepping over the line of being a pedophile is that their favorite underaged characters were favorites from back when they were kids. But when they hit puberty and grew up, they still never forgot that first crush and fixate on it for sentimental reasons or other arrested development. Most of them do want the character to age up with them, though, so I think it depends on the person as to where it just stopped and went wrong for them.

They can still like those characters without finding them sexually attractive.

 

[LavenderMenace]

why hasn't this thread been moved from PG? i think it has been one of the most complete and collaborative (and also necessary) that i have seen on here so far

The mods situation is currently really busy so they've got a shit ton of stuff to get through. I'll go ahead and make a community happenings post advertising the thread so people know we've got one.

you should add allthefallen to the list of "Notable Websites that allow Loli/Shota" on the OP

i know you already mentioned booru sites, but allthefallen also has a forum and other network of sites

Good find! Yeah I just wanted to add the major sites where loli/shota is posted. Don't wanna give freaks a reference list to goto.

OP did a bang up job with the updates, well done

Thanks!

Slimebeast (The same on who is doing videos on Plagued Moth) did a video on an "ethical Loli enjoyer"

@LavenderMenace This might be an individual that needs to be added to the OP.
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Mrow is the dude.
Here is the back story:

Another good find! The OP is kinda over the word limit so I might have to make another list of lolicons and link it from the OP.

 

[WelperHelper99]

The mods situation is currently really busy so they've got a shit ton of stuff to get through. I'll go ahead and make a community happenings post advertising the thread so people know we've got one.

Glad they responded at least.

Another good find! The OP is kinda over the word limit so I might have to make another list of lolicons and link it from the OP.

I'll say this from making my own OP, you don't have to overload it. As long as the general idea gets across, you're good. And you can always make a second "add on" OP in the far future if you really really need to.

 

[Salaryman]

Masaaki Aoyama 青山 正明 ( 1982 )

Tsutomu Miyazaki 宮﨑 勤 ( 1988 )

You got the pictures of these two mixed up.

 

[del_toid]

Great OP, I didn't know how disgusting Japan was/is. It's wild how such a huge swath of Japanese media is  filled with pedo bait or straight up child sexualization.

As we all knew, loli is and always has been a "legal" substitute for actual CSAM

anyone who indulges is a pedophile, anyone who defends it is just as bad.

 

[I'mma real anime gurl]

Loli is fucking weird to me, like most of the time I see it as a cartoon like Bugs Bunny but not think too hard on it. It's fucking weird and honestly being openly proud of it is like someone calling a woman a MILF in public or in the case someone calling a child a loli/shota in public. Honestly I thought of Loli/Shota as a fucking Japanese thing that people liked. It reminds me of a attempt by the Transformers to cater to Otakus called Kiss Players.

Kiss Players is essentially about little girls kissing Transformers to do special shit and it bombed hard. The failure of it is well known and honestly I thought why they'd thought that Kiss Players would be a good idea. Knowing what I know now I understood why they'd think that there's a untapped market of Otaku who'll buy it. Normal people don't want to see children dressed sexy for entertainment.

 

[Corn Flakes]

Did this thread just get pulled out of PG? Either way, fantastic OP.

I usually post on the Anti-Lolicon Crusaders thread because in my experience once you've seen a lolicon, you've kinda seen them all: as the rogues gallery in the OP shows, it's always people who are long overdue on a face-first appointment with a woodchipper. Anyway, I'll probably be referring to the history part the next time I get into an argument with a lolisho. These people have this habit of pretending Japan is a perfect nation that can do no wrong, when there's a lot of fucking foul shit going on there.

Thanks for the great work!

 

[GaryGray]

Given Wikipedia's constant editing and attempt by editors to downplay the serious nature of lolicon/shotacon it would be a good idea to have archives of these pages along with their live link.

Both Lemon People (from 1981) and Manga Burikko (from 1982) were porn magazines that featured lolicon (both teenaged and little girl type).

Lemon People Wikipedia Archive Nov. 15 2024 and Manga Burikko Wikipedia Archive Nov. 15 2024. Both pages had last been archived three years ago and while Wikipedia currently keeps an audit of edits there is no guarantee that the pages won't later be deleted for some reason related to being "harmful" to a community.

 

[Return of the Freaker]

Great OP, that history section was extremely disturbing. I knew somewhat how bad things got/get in Japan and knew of the Otaku Killer. But holy fucking shit. I had no idea there were just pedos openly wandering around perving on children like that. That fucking Aoyama guy doesn't even seem real. Either he was horrifically molested himself or its one of those cases of born evil

 

[Thisismyusername]

Having fun with ChatGPT and these fucktards info.

Who is Flamenco aka Joshua Connor

ChatGPT said:​

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What's funny is how all the trannies get their shit white washed more than the others.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Great OP, that history section was extremely disturbing. I knew somewhat how bad things got/get in Japan and knew of the Otaku Killer. But holy fucking shit. I had no idea there were just pedos openly wandering around perving on children like that. That fucking Aoyama guy doesn't even seem real. Either he was horrifically molested himself or its one of those cases of born evil

Its sad to say things are better now than even twenty years ago over there, legally wise. It took them a absurd amount of time to even BEGIN cracking down on this shit, it took a killer infact to trigger any real change. Literally people had to die to start banning CSAM. Its fucked up man.

 

[Corn Flakes]

Its sad to say things are better now than even twenty years ago over there, legally wise. It took them a absurd amount of time to even BEGIN cracking down on this shit, it took a killer infact to trigger any real change. Literally people had to die to start banning CSAM. Its fucked up man.

It's hard to overstate just how conservative Japan is. And I don't mean in the Western political sense, I mean in the literal sense. It's almost impossible to push for societal change there, no matter how warranted, unless there's an event so shocking everybody decides to do something about it. And even then, Japanese police is infamous for dragging their feet and doing the barest minimum just so their statistics look "good". They won't even arrest if they aren't 100% sure they'll get a conviction ahead of time, and many crimes go under-reported or completely unreported because having them in the statistics would make the precinct look bad.

So, with a subject as thorny as CSAM, they literally spent decades in a state of don't-ask-don't-tell. Just trying to ignore it until they couldn't anymore.

 

[WelperHelper99]

It's hard to overstate just how conservative Japan is. And I don't mean in the Western political sense, I mean in the literal sense. It's almost impossible to push for societal change there, no matter how warranted, unless there's an event so shocking everybody decides to do something about it. And even then, Japanese police is infamous for dragging their feet and doing the barest minimum just so their statistics look "good". They won't even arrest if they aren't 100% sure they'll get a conviction ahead of time, and many crimes go under-reported or completely unreported because having them in the statistics would make the precinct look bad.

So, with a subject as thorny as CSAM, they literally spent decades in a state of don't-ask-don't-tell. Just trying to ignore it until they couldn't anymore.

Japan safest country my ass. It's easy to say when you fudge the numbers so hard your own people start believing it and repeat it to foreigners. It's propaganda. As is much of their media.

 

[Ayana Otonashi]

I feel like in general this really contributes to my anime doomerism, thinking about rebranding just so people don’t automatically assume I’m a pedophile on this site.

 

[Mister Baranavichy]

This is an incredible thread.

I read Lolita a while back and thought that Lolicon just being based on that book was the worst it could get, which is saying something.

But good lord it feels like my hatred has just been based off the tip of the iceberg, after reading this op, it's not only become deeper but better justified.

 

[LavenderMenace]

You got the pictures of these two mixed up.

Fixed! Good catch!

Given Wikipedia's constant editing and attempt by editors to downplay the serious nature of lolicon/shotacon it would be a good idea to have archives of these pages along with their live link.

Lemon People Wikipedia Archive Nov. 15 2024 and Manga Burikko Wikipedia Archive Nov. 15 2024. Both pages had last been archived three years ago and while Wikipedia currently keeps an audit of edits there is no guarantee that the pages won't later be deleted for some reason related to being "harmful" to a community.

Oh I didn't even use the English Wikipedia. I knew jannies would make that page look the least disturbing. I got all my info based off the CHINESE Wikipedia mainly. I should go ahead and try to archive the Chinese pages if I can.

Biggest example is that the Japanese Wiki conveniently omitted the part where the founder of lolicon, Masaaki Aoyama, went to Thailand to have sex with child prostitutes while doing heroin in the 80s. And all of his associates just knew this and didn't do anything.
This screenshot is from the chinese wiki.

And yet the Japanese version will show all of his amazing accomplishments and publishings but not mention that this guy is a genuine pedophile who raped children.

 

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Slimebeast (The same on who is doing videos on Plagued Moth) did a video on an "ethical Loli enjoyer"
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Mrow is the dude.

Another good find!

I'm definitely biased here, as I've been cool with Mrow, but I'm gonna disagree on this one.

Maybe I missed something from the video(s), but the proof Slimebeast has of Mrow being an "ethical loli enjoyer" seemingly consists entirely of a chat message where Mrow said he didn't care about loli being viewed "for research purposes" because they aren't actual CSAM. Obviously, saying something is for "research purposes" is a bit of a joke at this point, but considering that Mrow makes documentaries about lolicon pedophiles like SonicOwO (which have been particularly helpful for my research for my VRChat OP), I think he was being literal, in the same way that users of this thread have probably been exposed to loli while digging for dirt on loli defenders. That part of Slimebeast's video comes across to me like the journos who tried to use Null's hosting of the raw Zoosadism Leaks to try and imply Kiwi Farms was pro-animal abuse: a purely bad faith attempt to morally smear someone they're in a petty beef with.

If there's more evidence I haven't seen, or something more damning that I missed from Slimebeast's videos, I'm open to reconsidering, but right now, I'm not convinced.