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[HOMO FOR LIFE RETURNS]

Considering that he has a thread here, I think Trump should be nominated for 2024 Lolcow of the Year.

Most successful lolcow to ever exist and will exist.

 

[Prester John]

A shadow cabinet is actually pretty normal for parliamentary democracy.

The idea is that each minister has a shadow counterpart in the opposing coalition/minority that basically proposes how they can do better, or are responsible for grilling said minister during question time (not a thing in the states, I recall). Ostensibly, it serves as both a check on the governing party, and allow the opposing bench to gain some experience in the portfolio.

That said, I have no idea how would this even work in the US, because Congress conducts itself very differently to the Parliament.

In the USA, the legislative branch (Congress) and the executive branch (POTUS and his cabinet) are separate. And so is the judicial branch (in the UK, the highest court was run by the House of Lords until it was finally changed in the 21st century).

The Senate has to approve ("advise and consent") the President's cabinet appointments, so the opposition party gets an opportunity to "grill" and "question" the appointee before voting to approve or reject. It was designed as a system of checks and balances and the losing party doesn't get to appoint its own shadow government. But they can take over the legislature during the midterm elections, and then the two branches will be a check on each other's power with a different party controlling each.

Each of the 50 states has its own state government and that gives both parties plenty of opportunity for some executive experience. We don't need a shadow government to build the bench.

 

[Celebrate Nite]

That's no way to talk to a pre-2020 user, newfag retard.

>implying pre-2020 accounts are immune to retardation
>starting "joined date" wars even after they became obsolete after Null locked all accounts forcing password resets, making a lot of old users make new accounts because of it.
Nigger, are you for real?

 

[Hard Toothbrush]

That's no way to talk to a pre-2020 user, newfag retard.

@OrsonZedd was a 2014 user. I rest my case.

 

[ForTheHoard]

That's no way to talk to a pre-2020 user, newfag retard.

I'm so sick of you post-2015 faggots. I bet you weren't even around for the name change!

 

[Scale Smerch]

The idea is that each minister has a shadow counterpart in the opposing coalition/minority that basically proposes how they can do better, or are responsible for grilling said minister during question time (not a thing in the states, I recall). Ostensibly, it serves as both a check on the governing party, and allow the opposing bench to gain some experience in the portfolio.

That said, I have no idea how would this even work in the US, because Congress conducts itself very differently to the Parliament.

Yeah it wouldn't be the same or as well as the parliamentary equivalent. Shadow cabinets are fine for the likes of Canada and the UK because Question Period is a natural state for their governments: every week the opposition is allowed to grill you and the general expectation is you go through with it for the sake of decorum. Wouldn't work the same in the Senate or the House because the US has basically converted Question Period into committees which by their nature have Senators/Representatives grill outsiders or material experts instead of each other.

 

[Thiletonomics]

Mr. Ridin with Biden, "Doctor", and Hawaii Governor Josh Green immediately rages at RFK Jr. being selected by Trump, calling RFK a quack scientist. / Archive

HONOLULU (HawaiiNewsNow) - Following President-elect Donald Trump’s nomination of Robert F. Kennedy Jr. to lead the Department of Health and Human Services, some government and medical officials are raising alarms over the decision — including Hawaii’s governor.

Governor Josh Green called Kennedy the worst possible choice for HHS Secretary, saying his anti-vaccine rhetoric led to a measles outbreak in Samoa that killed 83 children and would endanger children’s health in the U.S.

“What he will do is he will cast out on vaccination programs across America. That will mean thousands and then millions of people will consider not getting vaccinated. We will not have herd immunity, and physicians like myself and pediatricians and all sorts of other healthcare providers will see cataclysmic spread of disease,” Green said in an interview on CNN.

He added, “This is a gentleman who has absolutely no training in public health, no experience in public health, nor does he have any experience in biopharmacologic processes either. He is a quack scientist.”

Governor Green pulled no punches, saying if Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is put in charge of the nation’s health system, children and vulnerable populations will suffer.

“Children’s lives are on the line. We already have challenges in some parts of America where we have lower rates of vaccination, and if you dip below a certain threshold, like they did in Samoa and had that terrible outbreak, you’ll see fatalities, or you’ll see spread of disease, not just like measles, mumps and rubella. You’ll see polio and you’ll see a polio resurgence,” Green said in a second interview on CNN.

If confirmed as HHS secretary, Kennedy would oversee a $2 trillion dollar budget and 13 agencies, including the Centers for Disease Control, Food and Drug Administration. National Institutes of Health, Centers for Medicare and Medicaid, and the Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare.

Critics worry about the spread of medical misinformation under Kennedy.

“It makes parents scared. When parents are scared, they don’t take action,” Green said.

Dale Kobayashi -- a former Democratic state representative from Manoa and long-time friend of Kennedy -- says Green’s comments about Kennedy are overblown.

“To say that that is really a direct outcome of what is his appointment is really quite a reach,” said Kobayashi, who says the environmental lawyer promotes vaccine choice and healthcare freedom -- beliefs Kobayashi shares after he said a smallpox vaccination put him into a coma as a child.

“He’s about so much more. You sit down and talk to him. He’s a really smart guy. He’s a fighter, and he fights for a lot of things. One was for the rights of people who made medical choices. But he’s also been largely a critic of the food industrial complex, food additives, a lot of health issues that are controlled by moneyed interests that he has the guts to stand up against,” Kobayashi said.

The chair of the Hawaii Republican Party calls Kennedy a good choice with supporters on both sides of the aisle and can bring transparency and higher health standards to food in America.

“If he is a person who has a true concern for the American people, why would we not embrace this on all aisles?” said chair Tamara McKay. “Because this affects all people of every party line, every demographic, and we need to be working together on what’s in the best interest, in the safety of the people of this country.”

Kennedy’s nomination is pending Senate approval, but is expected to be challenged by powerful pharmaceutical and insurance lobbies.

Copyright 2024 Hawaii News Now. All rights reserved.

But when was the last time that Green actually practiced real medicine? And Green sounds like the type of guy that would praise China for literally killing people's pets and removing people's rights during their 3-Year Zero COVID policy, Canada for ending the Freedom Convoy in the way that they did, and Australia for setting up literal COVID concentration camps.

 

[MirrorNoir]

You know I was thinking about this. Shouldn't leftist and socialists be happy that Trump won? Think about it, if he destroys an already dying economy then he'll accelerate the collapse. When that happens it'll show more people how horrible capitalism is and thus they can start a socialist revolution. Companies like BlackRock will be burnt to the ground because they are responsible for this. Kamala would just be putting a band aid on an already sinking ship and delude people into thinking that the economy can be saved still. Communism/Socialism will be seen as the only alternative that'll save america and thus liberals and leftists should be happy because then we'll be living in a socialist utopia soon after.

The running theory is that economic Gotterdammerung is going to hit by 2030 at the latest and the left needed about 14 years to implement the "Green New Deal", the goal if which is to basically protect the power of the elite and crush the middle and lower classes so when Gotterdammerung hits and we have a 1929 tier global depression, the rabble won't be able to fight back against the birth of neo-feudalism.

Hillary was supposed to do a lot of the heavy lifting in creating neo-feudalism but Trump fucked up the timeline. And worse, in unleashing Covid to fuck up the economy in a controlled demolition scheme, they inadvertently accelerated shit so that Gotterdammerung will most likely happen much sooner than 2030.

 

[Kiwi Farms Lurker]

@OrsonZedd was a 2014 user. I rest my case.

Yeah his simping for Keffals was disgusting, dunno if it was some epic shitposting or if he genuinely wanted that gash.

Probably the latter.

 

[DickMain]

I will NOT stop calling Tulsi Surfer Mommy. Trump’s mandate restored my God-given right to call Tulsi Surfer Mommy. She IS the Surfer Mommy and I won’t apologize for it.

damn surfer mommy got my nigga feelin POLITICAL

 

[draggs]

A shadow cabinet is actually pretty normal for parliamentary democracy.

The idea is that each minister has a shadow counterpart in the opposing coalition/minority that basically proposes how they can do better, or are responsible for grilling said minister during question time (not a thing in the states, I recall). Ostensibly, it serves as both a check on the governing party, and allow the opposing bench to gain some experience in the portfolio.

That said, I have no idea how would this even work in the US, because Congress conducts itself very differently to the Parliament.

The shadow cabinet is specifically so if the ruling party loses its majority in an election the new government can take office immediately without needing time for the new ministers and their staffs to assemble and be brought up to speed on what their ministries are doing. It isn't to be a check on the governing party or anything else. The governing party has absolute power through its majority, there is no check on it whatsoever except a no-confidence vote, or losing a particular vote by defections or abstentions of its own members, or the law as applied by the courts

It wouldn't work in the US because the chief executive (PM) and his cabinet (ministers) aren't members of the legislature and the executive (and legislature seats) have fixed terms that can't be changed by calling a snap election or losing a no-confidence vote (which doesn't exist in the US, except, very loosely speaking, via impeachment or the 25th amendment)

 

[The Gene Genie]

You know I was thinking about this. Shouldn't leftist and socialists be happy that Trump won? Think about it, if he destroys an already dying economy then he'll accelerate the collapse. When that happens it'll show more people how horrible capitalism is and thus they can start a socialist revolution. Companies like BlackRock will be burnt to the ground because they are responsible for this. Kamala would just be putting a band aid on an already sinking ship and delude people into thinking that the economy can be saved still. Communism/Socialism will be seen as the only alternative that'll save america and thus liberals and leftists should be happy because then we'll be living in a socialist utopia soon after.

Two-fold answer to this. First part is what @MirrorNoir said, in that complete economic catastrophe is all-but-assured within the decade and the mechanisms for retaining social and political control for the credentialed-elite class had to be established between 2016 and 2028. Trump winning in 2016 really messed this timeline up, so they tried to force things forward with the failed Color Revolution attempt in 2020. They didn't manage to secure their victory as nearly well as they would have liked (or as much as doompilled people would like to believe) and were forced back out of the levers of power this year. Whatever they intended to do, probably legally cement one-party rule and bring more Left-Authoritarianism to America, cannot be implemented before the end of the decade.

The other, which will happen regardless of economic catastrophe or not, is imminent reappropriation of electoral votes by 2030. Blue states will lose - and only lose - while red states will gain - and only gain. It effectively redraws the strategy and make it so that Democratic victories for the Presidency via the Electoral College dwindle. This ties in with the above intention of forcing a one-party totalitarian state (regardless of economic collapse) to stave this off, and it became more apparent after the 2020 Census showed the shifting of demographics.

As to the inevitable "won't the economic collapse just make Americans more susceptible to Left-style narratives anyway?" I think you'll find that the reality is that it's not Left Populism they want, it's the managerial/credentialed-class maintaining control. The only thing "Left" about them is Gaynigger worship.

 

[Betonhaus]

The shadow cabinet is specifically so if the ruling party loses its majority in an election the new government can take office immediately without needing time for the new ministers and their staffs to assemble and be brought up to speed on what their ministries are doing. It isn't to be a check on the governing party or anything else. The governing party has absolute power through its majority, there is no check on it whatsoever except a no-confidence vote, or losing a particular vote by defections or abstentions of its own members, or the law as applied by the courts

It wouldn't work in the US because the chief executive (PM) and his cabinet (ministers) aren't members of the legislature and the executive (and legislature seats) have fixed terms that can't be changed by calling a snap election or losing a no-confidence vote (which doesn't exist in the US, except, very loosely speaking, via impeachment or the 25th amendment)

So in this case, the shadow cabinet is only useful if Trump is assassinated or the presidency is somehow given to Harris or someone else anyways, like faithless electors?
Countries that can have snap elections or coalition collapses benefit from a shadow cabinet, but not the United States which has clockwork elections

 

[Anasûrimbor Kellhus]

As to the inevitable "won't the economic collapse just make Americans more susceptible to Left-style narratives anyway?"

and even then left style narratives only can take hold in societies where there is a huge base of miserable impoverished peasants who feel they have little other choice, like in russia or china. Even then, they needed vanguards of dedicated ideologues, usually from the nobility, to agitate them into tearing their societies up.

In societies where there is a strong middle class that remembers the traditions that brought them their moderate wealth and success they will reject these things. This is why they need to impoverish or alienate/disconnect people from what has come before (unburdened if you will) because it is only after doing this that the left wing ideals can take hold. This is why they hate trump because he is reviving back the memories and ideas to people of all races and creeds in america what america used to be and stand for.

 

[invisibult plus+]

and even then left style narratives only can take hold in societies where there is a huge base of miserable impoverished peasants who feel they have little other choice, like in russia or china. Even then, they needed vanguards of dedicated ideologues, usually from the nobility, to agitate them into tearing their societies up.

In societies where there is a strong middle class that remembers the traditions that brought them their moderate wealth and success they will reject these things. This is why they need to impoverish or alienate/disconnect people from what has come before (unburdened if you will) because it is only after doing this that the left wing ideals can take hold. This is why they hate trump because he is reviving back the memories and ideas to people of all races and creeds in america what america used to be and stand for.

They have the audacity to say the old America was an illusion.

 

[Anasûrimbor Kellhus]

They have the audacity to say the old America was an illusion.

its so funny whenever they say that they are trying to claim it about a caricature of the 50s as if that's what most people are talking about. Like no nigga the "old america" we are talking about is the pre-2008 king nigger/housing crisis one. The america trump displays at his rallies is very clearly not some sort of stuffy leave it to beaver type deal. Like I can very clearly remember this america it was NOT an illusion.

 

[Sekirodiealot]

 

[Your Girlfriend's Dad]

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What the fuck is that supposed to be spelling, because it definitely isn't pedophile. This went over my head?

 

[Vibralldo]

What the fuck is that supposed to be spelling, because it definitely isn't pedophile. This went over my head?

Ephebophile, someone attracted to older teenagers

The meme is "he isn't a pedophile, he's an ephebophile!"

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

Pretty insane shit I'm hearing from this guy, he basically wants Europe to arm up, draft millions of people and throw them at Russia, saying that this WW3 he wants requires urgent mobilization RIGHT NAOW while simultaneously acknowledging that Russia has effectively neutered itself on Ukraine's bayonet and is very pathetically still struggling with it's impoverished neighbor. If Russia is doing so poorly, and he knows it, why the urgency to go and fight? Maybe Simon Whistler should consider joining the Ukrainian army if he wants war adventurism so badly.