Plagued Lolicon/Shotacon Defense Force - The people who jerk off to cartoon children and won't ever shut up about it

[Gravemind]

I'm definitely biased here, as I've been cool with Mrow, but I'm gonna disagree on this one.

Maybe I missed something from the video(s), but the proof Slimebeast has of Mrow being an "ethical loli enjoyer" seemingly consists entirely of a chat message where Mrow said he didn't care about loli being viewed "for research purposes" because they aren't actual CSAM. Obviously, saying something is for "research purposes" is a bit of a joke at this point, but considering that Mrow makes documentaries about lolicon pedophiles like SonicOwO (which have been particularly helpful for my research for my VRChat OP), I think he was being literal, in the same way that users of this thread have probably been exposed to loli while digging for dirt on loli defenders. That part of Slimebeast's video comes across to me like the journos who tried to use Null's hosting of the raw Zoosadism Leaks to try and imply Kiwi Farms was pro-animal abuse: a purely bad faith attempt to morally smear someone they're in a petty beef with.

If there's more evidence I haven't seen, or something more damning that I missed from Slimebeast's videos, I'm open to reconsidering, but right now, I'm not convinced.

That's why I don't really agree with the far more fanatical views some of you guys take (not you, personally, Sprate, but the other users).

Yes, you should be cautious about certain patterns of behavior. I don't believe you should go jumping at every single shadow on the wall, though, nor making these near schizo rhetoric posts armchair analyzing behaviors to support your bias.

I forewarn about this because there's also plenty of cases where the staunchest, most vocal "anti-lolicon" people have also turned out to be in possession of CSAM and much worse shit themselves. Trust nothing if it isn't otherwise verified and proven.

 

[Ayana Otonashi]

it's the whole notion of trusting nobody that's really made me wanna stay away from this kinda stuff as much as possible tbf

 

[Kayfabe]

Biggest example is that the Japanese Wiki conveniently omitted the part where the founder of lolicon, Masaaki Aoyama, went to Thailand to have sex with child prostitutes while doing heroin in the 80s. And all of his associates just knew this and didn't do anything.
This screenshot is from the chinese wiki.
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And yet the Japanese version will show all of his amazing accomplishments and publishings but not mention that this guy is a genuine pedophile who raped children.

you should also post this to the Wikipedia thread to see if any users in there have some basic knowledge about the inner workings of the trannyjanny cabal of the Japanese language Wikipedia, and how much they try to not include "controversial" events related to Jap celebrities, everyone knows that Wikipedia is rotten to the core, but it is rotten in a specific way that its level of political manipulation and trannyjanny tyranny varies depending on which language and country-related context the site is in.

Also, how much do you want to bet that Japs are awry of mentioning the fact that the founder of lolicon actually molested real children, not specifically because this pedonigger was a real-life child rapist, but rather, because he used heroin?

Japs and most of East Asia and Southeast Asia treat anything related to drugs as a crime worse than CSAM and molesting children, if he only said "yeah I traveled to poorer countries to fuck children", but made no mentions of drugs, then it could be likely that til this very day, the "historical trivia" of the founder of lolicon engaging in child sex tourism in Thailand would have been more known to the Japanese public at large.

 

[Ayana Otonashi]

I don't wanna talk anymore cause once this gets out of PG, I feel like it'll devolve into some "every Japanese adult is guilty of pedophilia and war crimes" circlejerk. I'm not saying this cause I think lolicon or Japan's actions are acceptable or for some stupid petty shit, I just worry that might end up being the case tbh.

 

[Toji Suzuhara]

I don't wanna talk anymore cause once this gets out of PG, I feel like it'll devolve into some "every Japanese adult is guilty of pedophilia and war crimes" circlejerk. I'm not saying this cause I think lolicon or Japan's actions are acceptable or for some stupid petty shit, I just worry that might end up being the case tbh.

Why are you always dooming about this type of threads? You said somthing similar about the Rev thread and it turned out fine

 

[Ayana Otonashi]

Why are you always dooming about this type of threads? You said somthing similar about the Rev thread and it turned out fine

fair lol, I just hope this thread doesn't go to shit is all

 

[WelperHelper99]

Why are you always dooming about this type of threads? You said somthing similar about the Rev thread and it turned out fine

fair lol, I just hope this thread doesn't go to shit is all

Thread has honestly been better than the Rev thread in terms of people fucking with it maliciously. Early days i practically had to mini mod it because it was attracting creeps and alogs.

 

[LavenderMenace]

Also, how much do you want to bet that Japs are awry of mentioning the fact that the founder of lolicon actually molested real children, not specifically because this pedonigger was a real-life child rapist, but rather, because he used heroin?

Japs and most of East Asia and Southeast Asia treat anything related to drugs as a crime worse than CSAM and molesting children, if he only said "yeah I traveled to poorer countries to fuck children", but made no mentions of drugs, then it could be likely that til this very day, the "historical trivia" of the founder of lolicon engaging in child sex tourism in Thailand would have been more known to the Japanese public at large.

It probably is the heroin part thats more offensive over there. Japan is retarded when it comes to addressing real issues in their society. Hell, Japanese male conservatives are still extremely sexist towards other female politicians.

 

[AltisticRight]

Back when I was in Japan, the concept of lolita was only a style of dressing. If you ask the older generation in countries like China and Japan, that's still what they think.
There's an entire Baidu Baike (a Chinese wiki) page about this, you can use google translate here: https://baike.baidu.com/item/洛丽塔/9768223?fr=ge_ala
I'd say it's a good supplement to the OP because someone obviously went into the history of this neogothic dress style.

These freaks who found paedophilic sexual attraction in the underaged girls were entirely underground. I still remember having to explain to a relative how "lolicon" isn't someone who likes the style of dresses but a depraved paedophile who wants to fuck children. Lolishit paedophiles being so open about their urges is such an indictment on modern society as a whole. Nonces should fear for their lives.

 

[Thiletonomics]

Did this thread just get pulled out of PG? Either way, fantastic OP.

I usually post on the Anti-Lolicon Crusaders thread because in my experience once you've seen a lolicon, you've kinda seen them all: as the rogues gallery in the OP shows, it's always people who are long overdue on a face-first appointment with a woodchipper. Anyway, I'll probably be referring to the history part the next time I get into an argument with a lolisho. These people have this habit of pretending Japan is a perfect nation that can do no wrong, when there's a lot of fucking foul shit going on there.

Thanks for the great work!

The degeneracy that Japan gets to would also partially explain why South Korea has their porn bans. Although SK has its own levels of degeneracy, and is an even more fucked up dystopia than ALL of their East Asian neighbors.

 

[Gravemind]

I still remember having to explain to a relative how "lolicon" isn't someone who likes the style of dresses but a depraved paedophile who wants to fuck children.

How the hell did that conversation come up in the first place? Seems a little awkward and unnecessarily powerlevel-y to correct friends or family with such drastic information.

 

[AltisticRight]

How the hell did that conversation come up in the first place? Seems a little awkward and unnecessarily powerlevel-y to correct friends or family with such drastic information.

It was something in the news and their son is into anime and talked about it.
The record had to be corrected, nothing was powerlevelling. At least now lolicons are constantly associated with child predators even over in Asia. They used to be viewed as a subset of innocent cartoon fans.

If it were strangers, I'll just stay far away.

 

[Irrational Exuberance]

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[Kari Kamiya]

Lolita clothing vs lolicon is likely known over in Japan anyway, it's just more probable they don't hear "lolicon" used in normal conversation because no one openly talks about their sexual preferences, and even gossipy hens won't bring it up if their sons are into it. Shotacon might be more tolerated due to double standards among women, especially since even OP hasn't found much about it compared to lolicon culture.

 

[Piggle-o]

Shotacon might be more tolerated due to double standards among women, especially since even OP hasn't found much about it compared to lolicon culture.

It's more an extension of the culture around shounen manga protagonists and overlaps with other relatively tame fujoshit, outside of the hardcore porn drawn primarily by men. The dark side of it is all the same shit as lolicon, but it's also more above board on the whole. According to one study I only heard about secondhand, it's not primarily a sex thing and only the outright porn is similar to lolicon culture and fans. There's more self-insertion into the characters or benign appreciation of cuteness across both sexes. It's certainly not seen the same way lolicon is because it's so diverse.

What confounds it is that we are and aren't talking about the same thing when it comes to shotacon. It came from women reading shounen manga and certain character archetypes within it and is a little tongue in cheek in that regard. Then there's the focus on innocence and nostalgia and short pants that may as well be its own category, as it's a little more removed from fandom culture. Then there's all the nude art and outright porn, which isn't even unified. The last one overlaps heavily with lolicons, for sure.

I'm going to say that there's much more variety and a few different camps with verifiably different interests and prerogatives and fujos and related culture are on the relatively "safe" side of the perception of it. It's hard to tell through forum posts, machine translated or otherwise, as japs are much more capable of irony and sarcasm than most give them credit for. There's a lot to unpack with the double standard comment that could sway it either way.

 

[Gravemind]

It came from women reading shounen manga and certain character archetypes within it and is a little tongue in cheek in that regard.

Specifically, it originates from the character Shotaro from the ancient mecha series Tetsujin 28-go (or as Westerners might recognize it by over here, "Gigantor"). Within the series, Shotaro is literally a little boy detective, and yet it is shown throughout the series that, for whatever reason, he has the charm and charisma of a classy adult male, so much so that he frequently attracts interest from women far older than him. This quality, coupled together with the fact that he has the "cute" aesthetic appeal of a young boy, lead to many young adult women in real life developing something of a complex for the character, and thus, the term was coined: "Shota" (taken from the name of the character) + "con" (Japanese contraction of the word "complex").

 

[Brap God]

I feel like in general this really contributes to my anime doomerism, thinking about rebranding just so people don’t automatically assume I’m a pedophile on this site.

I've already automatically assumed you're a schizo for having a subahibi themed profile, if that makes you feel any better.

 

[Kiwisee]

I just want to ask any Zoomers in this thread something:

Why are so many Twitter Lolicons also zoomers? The number of 18-24 year old ones I’ve encountered is extremely uncanny to say in the least. I don’t remember millennials being this shameless, unless I haven’t been paying attention to them back in the day.

 

[Piggle-o]

I just want to ask any Zoomers in this thread something:

Why are so many Twitter Lolicons also zoomers? The number of 18-24 year old ones I’ve encountered is extremely uncanny to say in the least. I don’t remember millennials being this shameless, unless I haven’t been paying attention to them back in the day.

Not a zoomer, but the "ironic" lolicon meme from 4chan hit discord pretty hard and collided with the after school gooning circles. It was definitely a thing before 2014, but anime was far less mainstream and it was confined to internet shit holes and back alley anime forum discussion. There were also barely any third world shitskins online before then. Millennials were absolutely as shameless, but it was underground and Twitter didn't exist in the capacity it does now.

 

[harmy.kook]

Bruh I ask someone to link this thread because someone doing the "it's not illegal" defense and all the "but muh nuance" types show up

Can't make it up