One Piece - I'm Gonna Be the Pirate King!

[Tetragrammaton]

i think whatever the one piece is roger made sure to bring more attention to it on purpose. ether because he was hoping the right person would find it. or he wanted to make sure the world government could not cover it up like they do most everything else. the treasure is most likely nothing at least as far as traditional treasure goes.

my guess for now is that the final island is just an island. just a totally empty piece of land surrounded by the ocean. at least to those without the poneglyphs and whatever else is required.

 

[Random Internet Person]

i think whatever the one piece is roger made sure to bring more attention to it on purpose. ether because he was hoping the right person would find it. or he wanted to make sure the world government could not cover it up like they do most everything else. the treasure is most likely nothing at least as far as traditional treasure goes.

my guess for now is that the final island is just an island. just a totally empty piece of land surrounded by the ocean. at least to those without the poneglyphs and whatever else is required.

I’m pretty sure the thing that provoked talking about the treasure was one guy in the crowd.

as for the final island, I think the issue is more a case of “what is on the final island beside the treasure?” My guess is it’s something where you have to go through a lot of trials to get to the treasure. That or it’s where Luffy and Shanks have their showdown (assuming Blackbeard is finally dealt with.)

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

I thought all that was confirmed in Whitebeard’s dying words. And with Clover’s dying words. The only thing that’s been missing is the what and why of those things, intentionally not discovered because Luffy is nowhere close to learning about either of those things, and won’t come close for a long time.

Separately they confirm nothing, before Robin brought up the Will of D to Rayleigh the two plots hadn't been connected at all.

Whitebeard outright confirmed that it existed.
The World Government Specifically targeting Ace confirmed that the World Government is Scared Shitless of it.

Rayleigh and the Red Poneglyph's existance confirmed that the Glyphs and The One Piece were connected, and that the Roger Pirates knew the history of the world..but did not say it was from the One Piece, only that Roger could hear the voice of all things (which seems like it was a cover for Oden's existance, it could very well be that Imu does not know that the Kozuki Clan can read the Poneglyphs)

Clover and Vegapunk confirm that The Current Government* fought against an Anceint Empire that had extremely advanced Technology, that Joyboy was a member of the Ancient Empire and that the Current Government won that war. Part of this war was the use of the 3 Ancient weapons, which were used 20 times, and raised the Sea Level by 20 Meters (which is about a Third as much as sea levels would raise IRL if the ice caps melted)

Franky and Iceberg confirm that One of the weapons is a Ship called Pluton
Robin confirmed that One is a Mermaid Princess that can speak to Seakings.
Robin later also confirmed that The Pluton was still in existance, and was in Wano.

So that is two weapons accounted for, neither of which seem capable of doing something like raising the actual oceans, this leaves Uranus as the one that is unaccounted for, and is possibly the one Imu used to delete Lulusia.**

Oden confirmed that..the Will of D, The Void Century, and Joyboy were directly connected..and that there is something that Roger Laughed at.

Each thing confirms different things independantly, the reason I am kind of coming down on there being more than one thing is because "The History of the World" doesn't seem dangerous enough for Imu to go to the lengths he has to keep it all secret, it has to be something that is an actual threat to his rule.

*A government which is entirely a fucking lie, the entirety of how the Kingdoms of the World think that things work is fundementally a complete fabrication, This is one of the reasons I think that Laugh Tale is something directly threatening to Imu. The Elder stars are Yonkou Tier in terms of strength, in terms of Military Power Imu could easily show up while the Kings are swearing to the Empty Throne, sit his ass down, whip his cock out and start jerking off and unless the 4 Yonkou are there..nodoby is gonna do one fucking thing about it.

**It occurs to me that "Nuke shit from Orbit" is somewhat out of line with the other 2 Ancient Weapons. Controlling the Sea Kings and a Powerful Battleship are cool but not "The end of the Fucking World" tier. I kind of wonder if We and Vegapunk are kind of off on our guess that Imu has the last Ancient Weapon and Uranus is something..to counteract whatever Imu actually has.

I’m pretty sure the thing that provoked talking about the treasure was one guy in the crowd.

I am kind of assuming that Roger assumed that someone would ask him about it. Him setting off the Age of Pirates was certainly a set up..why else would he turn himself in?

 

[HodgePodgeRogerDodger]

My guess is still the One Piece is Joyboy’s still beating heart. Law having the whole power that supposedly make you immortal and the X marking the spot on Luffy’s chest make me think it’s that.

It’s gonna be in some moon nigger technology and it’s a straight upgrade for anyone with the Gum Gum fruit. Why it made Roger laugh is because the story will probably be the immortality treatment, Imu being a seething faggot, and a mix of the back story of the Lunarians and the minks. The minks are the furry slaves of King’s people is my bet.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

My guess is still the One Piece is Joyboy’s still beating heart. Law having the whole power that supposedly make you immortal and the X marking the spot on Luffy’s chest make me think it’s that.

If that's the case, the Gum-Gum Fruit wouldn't have been in circulation and evaded the World Government for centuries. Joy Boy is dead as a door nail and Imu made sure of that.

 

[HodgePodgeRogerDodger]

If that's the case, the Gum-Gum Fruit wouldn't have been in circulation and evaded the World Government for centuries. Joy Boy is dead as a door nail and Imu made sure of that.

I think it depends on what qualifies as dead to a devil fruit. Vega punk is still alive in that the Satellites are still functional and it’s unclear if his consciousness is still around.

Where the does the Devil Fruit power spawn from or is centralized? Paramecia dies does their power just globally turn off.

The question that’ll answer this is if Big Mom is still alive (probably is) because Zeus and her homies are still kicking. Is Mother Caramel’s fake sun god still around on Elbaf? Does the Ope Ope surgeries revert if the user dies?

Haki can stick around for almost 1000 years. My guess if an awakened user dies their bodies are changed somehow permanently.

 

[Random Internet Person]

My guess is still the One Piece is Joyboy’s still beating heart. Law having the whole power that supposedly make you immortal and the X marking the spot on Luffy’s chest make me think it’s that.

It’s gonna be in some moon nigger technology and it’s a straight upgrade for anyone with the Gum Gum fruit. Why it made Roger laugh is because the story will probably be the immortality treatment, Imu being a seething faggot, and a mix of the back story of the Lunarians and the minks. The minks are the furry slaves of King’s people is my bet.

I thought it was established that Gear 5 is Luffy’s peak. Unless that was Luffy was in some euphoria from gaining a new wind after getting his ass handed to him by Kaido.

@Honka Honka Burning Love the whole thing about Vegapunk’s broadcast was that he was only going by what he could prove. And that Lulusia was the result of the Mother Flame powering the thing that destroyed the kingdom, which was never its intended use. As for other weapons not ending the world, Pluton was described as a ship that could destroy the world in one shot, while Poseidon is a mermaid who can control Sea Kings, which saw Shirahoshi subconsciously make Sea Kings stop Luffy from destroying Noah, meaning the promise to Joy Boy can still be kept. IOW, the secret to Poseidon is who has the power, the mastery over said power, and how that person uses it.

So my idea of Uranus may be that it’s not a weapon, but a program. Just like the Manhattan Project, Uranus is the codename for how one can develop that which can result in no more anything, and how that can be made to be used more than once (such as a satellite or orbital space cannon that can make shots at Lulusia be fired at will, like a Buster Call on steroids.)

Again, Oda has kept all these mysteries separated by design. Probably because if you figure one thing out, you figure everything out, ESPECIALLY how these things work together. And he doesn’t want the reader to learn about these things before a certain somebody else does: a very specific idiot wearing a straw hat.

If that's the case, the Gum-Gum Fruit wouldn't have been in circulation and evaded the World Government for centuries. Joy Boy is dead as a door nail and Imu made sure of that.

I think it depends on what qualifies as dead to a devil fruit. Vega punk is still alive in that the Satellites are still functional and it’s unclear if his consciousness is still around.

Where the does the Devil Fruit power spawn from or is centralized? Paramecia dies does their power just globally turn off.

The question that’ll answer this is if Big Mom is still alive (probably is) because Zeus and her homies are still kicking. Is Mother Caramel’s fake sun god still around on Elbaf? Does the Ope Ope surgeries revert if the user dies?

Haki can stick around for almost 1000 years. My guess if an awakened user dies their bodies are changed somehow permanently.

I guess that we have more points for the treasure not being a weapon. At least not one that Luffy can use.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

I thought it was established that Gear 5 is Luffy’s peak. Unless that was Luffy was in some euphoria from gaining a new wind after getting his ass handed to him by Kaido.

I would say that phrasing was less about Luffy not getting stronger, but that Gear 5 is the ultimate expression of his devil fruit powers, Luffy will grow stronger just by getting better with Gear 5's abilities..and he still has to fully master Conqueror's Haki so we get a Giant Monkey vs Eagle Aura battle when he and Shanks meet again.

@Honka Honka Burning Love the whole thing about Vegapunk’s broadcast was that he was only going by what he could prove. And that Lulusia was the result of the Mother Flame powering the thing that destroyed the kingdom, which was never its intended use. As for other weapons not ending the world, Pluton was described as a ship that could destroy the world in one shot, while Poseidon is a mermaid who can control Sea Kings, which saw Shirahoshi subconsciously make Sea Kings stop Luffy from destroying Noah, meaning the promise to Joy Boy can still be kept. IOW, the secret to Poseidon is who has the power, the mastery over said power, and how that person uses it.

So my idea of Uranus may be that it’s not a weapon, but a program. Just like the Manhattan Project, Uranus is the codename for how one can develop that which can result in no more anything, and how that can be made to be used more than once (such as a satellite or orbital space cannon that can make shots at Lulusia be fired at will, like a Buster Call on steroids.)

Well Vegapunk theorized that The Mother Flame was powering one of the 3 Ancient Weapons, I am not sure I buy it just because in the very least Shirahoshi absolutely not a "World Ending Threat". on the same level as "This Deleted an Island in minutes and caused the seas to permanently rise" Either way you look at it something is out of place in terms of power.

Like if Pluton can destroy the world in a single shot. I have some other..questions about why they would put that weapon..on a sea ship.

I guess that we have more points for the treasure not being a weapon. At least not one that Luffy can use.

My best guess at the moment is part of is a Button that only a person with D. can press..if they aren't dying of a terminal illness, which if pressed instantly causes Imu to shit his pants and die.

 

[Random Internet Person]

@Honka Honka Burning Love it’s very simple: The Mother Flame is the source of the Lulusia destroyer, and it can also be used for Pluton in order to fuel the world destroying shot. And again, why put the power on a ship? Simple. To be able to use that power more than once, and to be able to use it anywhere, particularly if you’ve got more than one target to hit.

As for Shirahoshi not being a world destroyer, hasn’t it been well established that Shirahoshi has no control let alone mastery of her Poseidon powers? If there was a Poseidon master, you have it where one person can take Sea Kings and level entire cities, or tear natural borders to nothing (you ever notice how a lot of endgame talk involves the Red Line being destroyed? How much you wanna bet an ancient weapon is going to do that, and it could be the kings commanded by Poseidon.) I have to believe that it’s being set up for Shirahoshi to have finally learned and trained to use her powers to do things like help to fulfill the promise of Joy Boy and maybe even play a factor in the final war.

And if the idea was for the ancient weapons to stick around for the ages, along with the fact the ancient great kingdom was super advanced, it’d make sense for there to be something in play for the handling of how those weapons are used…hence the Uranus Program (that or Uranus is a giant satellite orbiting the planet and it’s all a matter of putting in the coordinates of the target.)

As for the button, it seems simple enough to get a laugh out of somebody like Luffy, but it doesn’t sound like something that could “turn the world upside down” when it’s found, that and it feels anticlimactic after all the decades of buildup.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

As for Shirahoshi not being a world destroyer, hasn’t it been well established that Shirahoshi has no control let alone mastery of her Poseidon powers? If there was a Poseidon master, you have it where one person can take Sea Kings and level entire cities, or tear natural borders to nothing (you ever notice how a lot of endgame talk involves the Red Line being destroyed? How much you wanna bet an ancient weapon is going to do that, and it could be the kings commanded by Poseidon.) I have to believe that it’s being set up for Shirahoshi to have finally learned and trained to use her powers to do things like help to fulfill the promise of Joy Boy and maybe even play a factor in the final war.

And for all of that supposed power, unless there are one or two sleeping some where..Sea kings aren't the top dogs on the planet given Mihawk can go through the Calm Belt Unharmed, I haven't seen anything to suggest that Seakings are dangerous to the Major Powers of the World (I.E. New World Pirates). That does not seem World Ending to me compared to "Has a gun that can one shot the entire planet" and "Will Submerge the entire planet by accident"

I always kind of assumed the "Planet destroying gun" was a bit of Hyperbole, kinda like How..I don't actually think Whitebeard/Blackbeards Earthquake fruit could actually destroy the planet.

Uranus is a giant satellite orbiting the planet and it’s all a matter of putting in the coordinates of the target.)

I buy that, or it being an airship..which is what makes pluton kind of..weird if you take it at complete face value. A seaborn vessel with a Planet buster weapon is just kind of..nonsensical. It's a suicide weapon because you are on the planet. Unless it was designed by Freiza, and like even Uranus' weapon itself is only a single Nuke in terms of the direct damage. The World ending part of it comes from the fact that it somehow causes a Meter Rise in Sea Levels..which means you can't spam it without consequences.

As for the button, it seems simple enough to get a laugh out of somebody like Luffy, but it doesn’t sound like something that could “turn the world upside down” when it’s found, that and it feels anticlimactic after all the decades of buildup.

I was kind of kidding about it being a button..but there has to be something directly dangerous to Imu's rule that he can't use the fact he has 5 Yonkou level threats at his beck and call to solve, I don't think it is a direct outright weapon that Luffy will power up with. Like okay insane guess time, that I don't think is the actual solution but might be in the realm of possibility.

Kuma's fruit can push intangible things out right? But if it isn't contained or absorbed that thing will eventually return to the source. What if someone with the Paw Paw fruit pushed out Imu's Mortality and it's sitting in a box on Laugh Tale. Like it would be something Roger himself couldn't really use because he was dying when he found it and a direct confrontation with Imu was impossible, but it is also very fundementally dangerous to Imu so he can't ever allow anyone to touch Laugh Tale again.

Now I don't think that is it (If it turns out to be that I am going to laugh my ass off, The Ope Ope Fruit being a Red Herring would be a 5D Chess move) but I think it is something along those lines.

 

[ShitLurker]

**It occurs to me that "Nuke shit from Orbit" is somewhat out of line with the other 2 Ancient Weapons. Controlling the Sea Kings and a Powerful Battleship are cool but not "The end of the Fucking World" tier. I kind of wonder if We and Vegapunk are kind of off on our guess that Imu has the last Ancient Weapon and Uranus is something..to counteract whatever Imu actually has.

Just on this point. We don't really know how flexible or inflexible Uranus is. For all we know yes it nukes an island, but it needs a month to set up another shot or maybe even years. It's been used 20 times since the void century, so we don't really know how frequently it can be used.

The part that makes controlling Sea Kings a thing of nightmares isn't so much using them for active combat as much that they can easily generate obscene tidal waves that would ravage most islands and ships in one piece with little effort and all devil fruit users (except very specific outliers) would be 100% fucked against that. I do agree that with the monsters we've seen, direct combat with a Sea King doesn't tell me much, but their ability to "terraform" is through the roof.

As for Pluto, we don't know anything about it, though it was stated that it's cannons could level islands. My take is that it probably has the power of a buster call concentrated in a single ship and it's advantage over Uranus is that it's a lot more flexible in it's application between being able to move more freely and being able to shot more frequently.

This of course means fuck all if Uranus can do a constant barrage at different locations, but I'm going to bank on Oda giving it strict limits considering it's obscene power output.

One the topic of the One Piece. I think the One Piece itself will really be what it says on the tin of the can, Roger's treasure meaning all his phat loot. But what will be important for world development is what that treasure surrounds which is where all of the phoneglyph wankery will come into play. The One Piece is just the incentive to find what made Roger and friends laugh and at the right time since Roger "was early". And yeah, I think it's very obvious he started the new age of pirates very much on purpose to lure people to Laugh Tale. So I see the One Piece as was promised by Roger and what is really the whole reason for starting the age of pirates as two different things.

 

[Incecticyder]

And for all of that supposed power, unless there are one or two sleeping some where..Sea kings aren't the top dogs on the planet given Mihawk can go through the Calm Belt Unharmed, I haven't seen anything to suggest that Seakings are dangerous to the Major Powers of the World (I.E. New World Pirates). That does not seem World Ending to me compared to "Has a gun that can one shot the entire planet" and "Will Submerge the entire planet by accident"

The people who can pull of that feat are rare and ships have to cross by the millions. Remember how impressed the Marines were when Momonga killed a Sea King? Or when Noland did it too? There is not enough manpower in the world to protect everyone. If they are attacked from below by Sea Kings that are intelligent, strategic and cooperative, the world economy would collapse. That and intelligent sea creatures that work together have the power to control the ocean like when the Fishman Pirates created a whirlpool. This is nothing to scoff at.

 

[TerminalTryHard]

My theory for the ancient weapons.

The weapons are kind of useless on their own and their true power is when they are combined in One Piece .

Uranus while able to sink islands has limitations besides the need for fuel. My guesses are:
It can't move under it's own power
It has no defenses/is fragile
Takes time to prepare to fire
Requires a certain amount time between shots

This is solved when you strap it on to the front of Pluton, a super battleship that is basically a mobile fortress. Formidable but not able to destroy islands or face down entire armies/fleets on its own. Now add Poseidon and you have a mobile fortress with a death ray leading a horde of sea kings.

Imu has side stepped this by having found a way to put the Uranus into orbit. My guess there is he either has gained access to a flying ship or has found a way to move Uranus on to the moon. Either way he can now fire down on to his enemies. why does the moon and flying ships remind me of somebody?

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

Uranus probably isn't going to get spammed because it has a very bad side effect.

Remember Imu wasn't just nuking Lulusia for shits and giggles, he was trying to erase Sabo from existence so the "weapon that slowly causes the world I rule to sink" line is crossed. They are probably gonna take a pot shot at Luffy with it when he gets to Lodestar Island.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

Remember Imu wasn't just nuking Lulusia for shits and giggles, he was trying to erase Sabo from existence so the "weapon that slowly causes the world I rule to sink" line is crossed. They are probably gonna take a pot shot at Luffy with it when he gets to Lodestar Island.

Wasn't it just an actual coincidence Sabo was in the vicinity, though? Lulusia was going through a revolution anyway, something the World Government doesn't like.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

Wasn't it just an actual coincidence Sabo was in the vicinity, though? Lulusia was going through a revolution anyway, something the World Government doesn't like.

No, they were going after Sabo. They were Tracing the Location of his Call to Dragon, the only reason he didn't get Nuked out of existence is that he was bouncing the signal.

The World Government isn't even using the revolution as an excuse to destroy the Island, they straight up told the Marine Communications that the call did not happen and the Kingdom of Lulusia does not exist and never has.

 

[Random Internet Person]

Wasn't it just an actual coincidence Sabo was in the vicinity, though? Lulusia was going through a revolution anyway, something the World Government doesn't like.

Uranus probably isn't going to get spammed because it has a very bad side effect.

Remember Imu wasn't just nuking Lulusia for shits and giggles, he was trying to erase Sabo from existence so the "weapon that slowly causes the world I rule to sink" line is crossed. They are probably gonna take a pot shot at Luffy with it when he gets to Lodestar Island.

Yeah, Imu mentioned wanting to test the laser because Lulusia was close by, and the Gorosei were the the ones to justify the the target.

Also, it’s never been properly established what Uranus really is. Vegapunk only suggested the laser was a weapon, but had nothing to prove his claim, only that the Mother Flame was the power that allowed it to be used. For all we know, Imu developed the laser behind the scenes while chilling in the garden. So I’m still sticking with the idea that Uranus is a weapons project/program.

The World Government isn't even using the revolution as an excuse to destroy the Island, they straight up told the Marine Communications that the call did not happen and the Kingdom of Lulusia does not exist and never has.
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I thought that “never happened” was because the Gorosei were doing Imu’s bidding, and they wanted to make sure that no questions were asked to keep everything about Imu a secret. So they go for the Stalin unperson route for an entire country, just so no random comms guy learns about the world’s shadow ruler.

It’s like the censorship of the Void Century and Poneglyph, but on a bigger scale.

 

[Stab You in the Back]

The weapons are kind of useless on their own and their true power is when they are combined in One Piece .

If true, we may have some idea why the ancient kingdom fell.

Spoiler

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

Yeah, Imu mentioned wanting to test the laser because Lulusia was close by, and the Gorosei were the the ones to justify the the target.

All 3 can be true

Lulusia is close enough to be targeted.
Sabo needs Eliminated right now.
The Mother Flame needs testing. (I doubt the weapon itself needs testing if it had been used 20 times before)

Sabo just got lucky and was using a VPN like a proper Kiwi.

 

[Random Internet Person]

All 3 can be true

Lulusia is close enough to be targeted.
Sabo needs Eliminated right now.
The Mother Flame needs testing. (I doubt the weapon itself needs testing if it had been used 20 times before)

Sabo just got lucky and was using a VPN like a proper Kiwi.

Or the test was the laser from space. A new way to destroy those that must be eliminated to preserve the narrative.