Sonic The Hedgehog Games

[The Lawgiver]

Dude its just Sonic's Vegeta

No that's Knuckles. Or metal sonic if you want the "beaten by protag and got a complex about it only to come back stronger games later with unholy ablities and get beaten again".

Robotnik has a niece

No, Maria is Robotnik's older cousin. SA2 kinda makes that clear with his grandpa being her grandpa too. Backstory's still fucked though. Also Shadow was his pet project made to help cure the disease, not a weapon. The cannon was the weapon. There's also technically 2 "shadows" and it becomes clear after a certain point that the shadow he's talkng about in his tapes mind being pure or whatever is the other one, not the one you've been playing as.

There's a little bit mid dark story where they actually look at the project shadow files and find out none of the details match the shadow we've been following and the paper on the file is fully textured and in english too. It basically foreshadows the last story's events.

 

[Snake of Diamond]

Dude its just Sonic's Vegeta, how is he gonna move forward? which sonic character has moved forward? come on, nobody is playing this for the lore...

This is just a straight up lie since lore is what's being presented. Calling him Sonic's Vegeta is also ironic because I assume you don't know anything about Vegeta and how he went through a character arc of being sent to conquer earth to being one of its protectors. By nobody maybe you meant normies but they don't care about sonic that much in the first place at least not to the degree of other games or back then.

 

[el bandito loco]

Nowhere in what i said implied that the movies should have been 1:1 adaptations in fact i outright said things against that.

"They have been treating the movies as being separate while paying homage to the canon but not really making it tie in which i suppose is fine."

I also said the movies take and pay homages to the games and the franchise while being a separate thing and the 3rd movie is expected to hit the same beats as SA2 while not being SA2.

you entirely implied, maybe not that you think that they should be, that what I meant when I said shadow generations exists to tie into the movie and that's why it heavily hinges on same ole same ole Maria SA2 stuff, that it means it should somehow connect movie and game as if the concept of brand synergy is entirely foreign to you and that they aren't in fact just taking advantage of in another medium they are bringing these same characters and loose plot elements out and are taking advantage and capitalizing on that while introducing any new fans to the concepts right before the movie.

you were saying that would be strange for them to do what is basically an indisputable fact they are doing SA2 plot stuff with Shadow Generations to tie into a movie because they are separate canons and it wouldn't make sense for someone to play the game then see the movie because it might be different like anyone who does that is some kind of media illiterate retard. they've already said the DLC for the game is literal movie levels with Keanu Reeves. this will have nothing to do with the main canon and probably just be random levels but my point is it's obviously a themed advertisement.

Its just brand synergy man, you're probably the only person on the planet who thinks it would be strange to encounter some of what something else is based on before the thing in question as a corporately planned prior introduction to characters and concepts in it because it doesn't flow into the the product itself. It's a little primer for the uninitiated before the movie, that's its purpose. It doubles as a short mini adventure in the main game series to hold people over until they do something else and introduce a little new lore they may or may not ever do anything with. it kills two birds with one stone, it goes both ways to advertise the movie and the movie by virtue of existing advertises the games, and then on it's own it's a new game added onto a remastered one to convince people to buy it again and give them new little stuff to look out for in their next full new release.

if the movie wasn't coming out and it wasn't shadows introduction and origins and they did a shadow game it would probably be some other shit. but because its a remaster of generations it gave them the perfect in with time shenanigans to go ahead and retread that ground again and it fit into generations preexisting story and they didn't have to shit out a whole full ass game to be on store shelves when 7 year olds leave the movie theater next month when they could rerelease one from 10 years ago and make half a game to add to it and didn't have to bother with coming up with a ton of new story either.

 

[cybertoaster]

This is just a straight up lie since lore is what's being presented. Calling him Sonic's Vegeta is also ironic because I assume you don't know anything about Vegeta and how he went through a character arc of being sent to conquer earth to being one of its protectors. By nobody maybe you meant normies but they don't care about sonic that much in the first place at least not to the degree of other games or back then.

It was a reference to all the things Sonic "borrows" from DBZ and yeah normies don't care because sonic games were never heavy on lore, SEGA always mismanaged the story and media part of the franchise, the only real attempt to get a lore-heavy sonic game was the OG concept for SA1 being an actual adventure game.

 

[30+GameOvers]

The only time Sonic story and lore was ever relevant outside the comics was in SA2 and Shadow the Hedgehog, and the latter is only here due to how fucking stupid some of the story paths are.
BTW, how is the new Shadow game? Did they pussy out of making it edgy?

 

[NerdShamer]

Did they pussy out of making it edgy?

If you're looking for that shit, the cartoons did an better job at it.

 

[Snake of Diamond]

It was a reference to all the things Sonic "borrows" from DBZ and yeah normies don't care because sonic games were never heavy on lore, SEGA always mismanaged the story and media part of the franchise, the only real attempt to get a lore-heavy sonic game was the OG concept for SA1 being an actual adventure game.

I get what you're saying but that doesn't discount my point that lore is still being presented. There's a reason why lore managers were even hired plus that is part of Flynn's job when working on the games.

Its just brand synergy man, you're probably the only person on the planet who thinks it would be strange to encounter some of what something else is based on before the thing in question as a corporately planned prior introduction to characters and concepts in it because it doesn't flow into the the product itself. It's a little primer for the uninitiated before the movie, that's its purpose. It doubles as a short mini adventure in the main game series to hold people over until they do something else and introduce a little new lore they may or may not ever do anything with. it kills two birds with one stone, it goes both ways to advertise the movie and the movie by virtue of existing advertises the games, and then on it's own it's a new game added onto a remastered one to convince people to buy it again and give them new little stuff to look out for in their next full new release.

I'm gonna assume someone got mixed up here (probably me) but let me make this clearer. What i said was strange and didn't make sense is someone playing Shadow Gens to get context for the movie then go watch the movie when the movie itself doesn't offer the same context which is completely understandable. The movies take base plot elements and themes from different pieces of media within Sonic but uses these elements to create it's own narrative and mythos. If i implied it was strange the movies weren't directly taking from the game to directly translate these things into its own version that isn't what my goal was. I am fully aware of these things being used as primers and advertisements for future products (the comics back then did just that for games that were coming out) so i don't need the obvious stated to me and this didn't need to be an argument since my idea of strangeness came from curiosity not lack of understanding.

Sega already assumes people are aware of base level Sonic and the Adventure series is one of the most popular games in the franchise so again i don't need the obvious stated to me. I am aware there are people that haven't played it and need to be keyed in on plot points but i figured that went without saying because not everyone has played a sonic game.

 

[cybertoaster]

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>cleavage is gone
>snatch replaced with grabbed because snatch = vagina which might offend wymen
If people weren't sure that SEGA was ran by faggots, here's your proof

 

[The Last Stand]

For every console out, SEGA has to remind us that Sonic exists through every compilation they release.

 

[Celebrate Nite]

For every console out, SEGA has to remind us that Sonic exists through every compilation they release.

And yet somehow SEGA winds up making every compilation worse than the last.

• Make a "plus" version of the GameCube collection for PS2/XBOX but DON'T give the west the same games as Japan.
• Add Chaotix art in GEMS collection but decide NOT to give people Chaotix
• Make "definitive" versions of Sonic 1 & 2, but have them forever be locked to mobile only.
• Butcher the ever-loving shit out of the music in 3 for Origins Collection even though the beta exists and sounds 10x better than the midis from PC Collection.
• Saturn/PC Version of Sonic 3D Blast has never been re-released. It's always the Genesis version.

 

[Gravemind]

Dude its just Sonic's Vegeta, how is he gonna move forward? which sonic character has moved forward?

Shadow, at least according to the newest Generations. (But we'll have to see whether or not they bring Maria back up after this)

Also, Shadow racks up more dubs than Vegeta on average.

 

[The Real Me]

Sonic 06 had many issues that aren't gameplay related.... A woman trying to fuck an animal being the big one.

others include janky mocap, eggman's awful redesign, and Blaze's retcon. You would have to completely redo the game from the ground up to even get it anywhere near the level of "good", and even then I don't have any faith in Sega doing that.

MAJOR SPERGING AHEAD:

While I would not he opposed to a complete re-imagining of '06 to change certain elements such as Elise being kidnapped too frequently and Blaze's retcon and Sonic's friends being pretty incompetent. I do think that there are elements of the original that get completely blown out of proportion.

The motion capture is janky and strange, I admit but so is the mocap in SA2. I personally find it very endearing. It allows for some contrast to the more serious elements of the story that takes place in a more realistic looking world. I have no problem with Sonic stories being played seriously but it helps it to avoid becoming a melodrama.

I think Eggman's design is also jarring but only because every other human in the game is realistically proportioned. Eggman has been disgusting and repulsive looking before, simply look to the comics and cartoons. I think if he was more similar to the other humans, people would not dislike him as much and this is a change that I think would not be out of the scope of a remake. He could still be freakishly tall and fat but not to the same cartoonish degree.

Finally, the infamous kiss. I believe with 100% sincerity that if Madonna had not been scrapped from Sonic 1, people would not take issue with her the same way that they do with Elise. People do not complain about Roger and Jessica Rabbit because they were conceptualised together. The romance between Sonic and Elise was something totally new to the character. Beyond a one-sided crush from Amy, Sonic had never been romantically involved with anyone in the games, especially not a human. You can complain however you want about Elise being annoying or inept but I do believe that she has a complete arc. She is a woman who would hide away her true emotions and through Sonic (and his death, lel) she learns how to stop worrying about the future and to embrace and express her love, as well as her sorrow.

'06 is a badly coded game where characters are written to not be themselves in a story with several questionable plot points but it is not devoid of subjectively good qualities.

 

[Snake of Diamond]

Finally, the infamous kiss. I believe with 100% sincerity that if Madonna had not been scrapped from Sonic 1, people would not take issue with her the same way that they do with Elise. People do not complain about Roger and Jessica Rabbit because they were conceptualised together. The romance between Sonic and Elise was something totally new to the character. Beyond a one-sided crush from Amy, Sonic had never been romantically involved with anyone in the games, especially not a human. You can complain however you want about Elise being annoying or inept but I do believe that she has a complete arc. She is a woman who would hide away her true emotions and through Sonic (and his death, lel) she learns how to stop worrying about the future and to embrace and express her love, as well as her sorrow.

Most of what i'd like to see as fixes from an 06 remake are technical and some narrative changes. Give some of the side characters more to do rather than just appearing in stages and or have them off doing their own thing then they could meet up with other characters and have more of a reason to be in said stages instead of just switching halfway through a stage as they stand there and wait for the player. I don't and have never seen an issue with Sonic and Elise considering as you mentioned the original idea for Sonic was to be paired with a human and this same idea is probably from Who Framed Roger Rabbit (in terms of concept probably not exactly from that film). As a character i am not sure what people are expecting since her place in the narrative and her character isn't an action hero but that doesn't mean she is useless as people like to claim she is. If Sega would make her more proactive making her way more like an action character would be the utter extreme if you ask me.

For the kiss scene, I don't know why peolpe call it specifically "beastiality" since none of the context is sexualized she was doing it to save Sonic's life.

The only time Sonic story and lore was ever relevant outside the comics was in SA2 and Shadow the Hedgehog, and the latter is only here due to how fucking stupid some of the story paths are.
BTW, how is the new Shadow game? Did they pussy out of making it edgy?

The game is basically a retread for fans and a primer for new people. You won't get the same experience with the story beats unless you play SA2 or STH where they are a little more fleshed out.

 

[BetterFuckChuck]

So besides the gay censorship and changes, is this new version of Generations worth playing? Like if I already have the original is the new stuff enough and is the censorship easy to ignore if I don’t have creepy sexual feelings towards a bat?

You shouldnt get the new version just to play the original Gens, the new Shadow levels are great but the remaster of Sonic Gens while competent is sparse when it comes to new content. No New music (in fact they removed a Rush track), no new stages, no rebalance of the shitty final boss. If I was Sega I at least would've added a Mania level between Sky Sanctuary and Speed Highway

 

[Mossy Trash Panda]

@cybertoaster

https://youtu.be/zip2vD-oGto?si=kt-zL4WgDjkLhI9O

https://youtu.be/jNeMCZnhfTc?si=foPyln_yQOHfY3MQ

Here ya go. Please tell me a thread'll be made soon after this. You have no idea how many years this mofo's been going on undocumented.

 

[TyrasGuard]

Shadow is being cool and that is good but the same argument i made with my friends i hope they let him move on from Maria because if everything about his character will just be swallowed up by him brooding over Maria all the time he can't move forward as a character this is something that i thought post 06 was the goal he moved on and accepted who he is and wanted to be.

Kek, isn't this the 4th time he has moved on from his past? SA2, Heroes (a little bit), Shadow the Hedgehog and now this. I do have to say, Shadow Generations does the "Letting go of the past" in a satisfying way.

I legit think that not killing him in SA2 was the worst idea they could've ever gotten because it's clear they have no idea what the fuck to do with him. That said. I really enjoyed Shadow Generations, you could almost rewrite it to replace Shadow the Hedgehog altogether.

Double kek at people thinking SEGA will go woke, it's owned by furries.

Spoiler: Haram

They literally shove the camera up Rouge's ass during a cutscene.

 

[Snake of Diamond]

Kek, isn't this the 4th time he has moved on from his past? SA2, Heroes (a little bit), Shadow the Hedgehog and now this. I do have to say, Shadow Generations does the "Letting go of the past" in a satisfying way.

I legit think that not killing him in SA2 was the worst idea they could've ever gotten because it's clear they have no idea what the fuck to do with him. That said. I really enjoyed Shadow Generations, you could almost rewrite it to replace Shadow the Hedgehog altogether.

Double kek at people thinking SEGA will go woke, it's owned by furries.

Spoiler: Haram

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They literally shove the camera up Rouge's ass during a cutscene.

Lol you saying what i said
From SA2 to Sonic 06 Shadow completed his character arc and like i told some of my friends Shadow is another character that is stuck in a loop. Like Tails who since like what Lost World has been stuck in a loop of wanting Sonic to trust him and Frontiers is supposed to be like a therapy session of the characters coming to terms with their problems but these are only problems because of bad writing and Sega switching personalities too much to fit whoever whined about the characters that week.

Shadow Gens is an alternate version of Shadow's "letting go of my past" thing but it's still retreaded ground. I am not gonna pretend like it isn't interesting seeing him have a dilemma over wanting to see Maria and be with her again but again with my friend group and i might have mentioned this above in a post. I want Shadow to please move on from Maria since it makes his character one dimensional if his whole personality is him perpetually not getting over Maria every game he is gonna be in.

At this point, I've just written off Sega as an competent writer. They've peaked with the Adventure games and they haven't figured out an way to invent the next greatest entry for the franchise that isn't overly edgy or corny.

Shadow Gens is the "at best" we've gotten in a while. It isn't going to break any molds and mostly just pays lip service to that experimental era of Sega where they cared enough about Sonic to put him in different worlds and scenarios. They found a bit of a comfort zone with shoving Classic Sonic everywhere but that is about it. I enjoy corny and edgy when it is fun this is why many of us even like late 90s early 2000s Sonic like people think it is a criticism to make something edgy or corny and call it edgy but the overall package is still fun like SA2, STH, etc.

Part of my criticism for Frontiers is that it was too scared to commit to a direction. It was a lot more mature about some of its themes than Forces but it didn't go as far into them and a lot of the stuff in the game is setting up things or shrouded in vague mystery (Sega has yet to follow up on but we shall see i suppose). Frontiers is still a decent game to me but yeah we won't get those experimental stories like the Adventure era.

 

[NerdShamer]

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At this point, I've just written off Sega as an competent writer. They've peaked with the Adventure games and they haven't figured out an way to invent the next greatest entry for the franchise that isn't overly edgy or corny.

 

[cybertoaster]

@cybertoaster

https://youtu.be/zip2vD-oGto?si=kt-zL4WgDjkLhI9O

https://youtu.be/jNeMCZnhfTc?si=foPyln_yQOHfY3MQ

Here ya go. Please tell me a thread'll be made soon after this. You have no idea how many years this mofo's been going on undocumented.

Bro I know less about the guy than you do, didn't even knew about those videos, I only know him for some comics he made before going full-tranny, and then tranny bubsy which I guess he made before going completely nuts with the tranny and commie crap because those comics were eerily self-aware of trans lunacy at times.

>see video
>"I can be a bunny girl in VR!"
>still has a bulge in VR like IRL

Why do this? if you want to be a real woman why wouldn't you have a vagina?

Edit: so turns out the guy was a neonazi mario fan, so he went from there to...........a commie bubsy/sonic fan? anyway, didn't know about his edgetard past but that explains a lot of things.

 

[NerdShamer]

Edit: so turns out the guy was a neonazi mario fan, so he went from there to...........a commie bubsy/sonic fan? anyway, didn't know about his edgetard past but that explains a lot of things.

Well, it could always get worse: He could have been into underaged furry porn.